# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/61 "2014-05-24T21:31:27Z")
No, but I have standards. There are women out there with damn near none. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/62 "2014-05-24T21:32:52Z")
**Kobal** , I understood what you were saying. In a world where he was supposed to be handed everything, he couldn’t get there. And all around him, I’m sure he saw guys less good looking, with fewer opportunities, not as much money, have success hand over fist. So, that had to be bewildering for someone spoiled and with zero self-awareness and no empathy. Also, there is a culture that caters to people just like that _because_ they are attractive, wealthy, famous and it doesn’t matter if they’re an asshole or not. So, where does that part come in? How as a society do we play any culpability when they kind of thing is rewarded? There are real life Gordon Gekkos. Look how long it took for the general public to shun the Clipper’s owner. A good discussion can be had about this and I think your original comment touches on all these things. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/63 "2014-05-24T21:34:36Z")
> [@kstarnes](#): > > Apparently, he aimed real high, he wanted a buxom blonde. He could have settled for an Asian girl but he was too narcissistic and thought too much of himself. How do we report posts in Tapatalk now? Anyone know? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/64 "2014-05-24T21:55:31Z")
You folks do realize we’re talking about an irrational person, don’t you? “Where was his head?” It was crazy. And why on Earth would you give any credence to his version of why he was planning on doing what he did. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/65 "2014-05-24T21:58:24Z")
News outlets are already describing the video as “chilling”. It’s not “chilling”. It’s “douchey”. The more we make these guys chilling, the more the next guy wants his shot at it. I remember after the Virginia Tech shooting, there were some radio guys who acted out his terrible, embarrassing plays on air in order to make fun of how lame he is and I think that’s a much better way to go. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/66 "2014-05-24T21:59:08Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > **Kobal** , I understood what you were saying. In a world where he was supposed to be handed everything, he couldn’t get there. And all around him, I’m sure he saw guys less good looking, with fewer opportunities, not as much money, have success hand over fist. So, that had to be bewildering for someone spoiled and with zero self-awareness and no empathy. Also, there is a culture that caters to people just like that _because_ they are attractive, wealthy, famous and it doesn’t matter if they’re an asshole or not. > > So, where does that part come in? How as a society do we play any culpability when they kind of thing is rewarded? There are real life Gordon Gekkos. Look how long it took for the general public to shun the Clipper’s owner. A good discussion can be had about this and I think your original comment touches on all these things. I’m, um, not sure you quite understood what I was saying, honestly :o. I don’t think it’s about attractive, wealthy, famous, yadda yadda dudes. At all. I do think modern society bears some burden for informally but organically “enforcing” (quotes because it’s not the right word or the right concept, but I’m drunk and I can’t come up with a better one right now) the notion that whoever you are, man or woman, rich or poor, you’re an utter failure if you can’t get any nookie. And that you oughta feel ashamed of yourself for that. “Ha ha, 21 year old virgin !”. See ? No ? And that applies to everybody, though I’m sure that pressure applies even more to California trust fund celebrity kid. Not to the point of excusing, or even explaining, random murderous rampage kid. But it’s still fucked up in every context, even if “all” it does it turn a given, random kid bitter, or resentful, or depressed, or whatever. Ultimately I think it kind of fucks most everybody up, albeit in different ways. It’s kind of weird and depressing how we seem to have gone from the 50s “If you fuck before or outside of marriage, you’re a whore/gigolo !” to “If you can’t get lots of sex, you’re a loser !”, when the sexual revolution was, I thought, about doing away with judgemental cunts and their toxic opinions. I sure don’t have any answers or solutions to that state of affairs. And, again, I’m absolutely not innocent of that kind of thought pattern. But it still seems fucked up. To me. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/67 "2014-05-24T22:06:35Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > News outlets are already describing the video as “chilling”. It’s not “chilling”. It’s “douchey”. Not to make light of the deaths and injuries in any way at all – but that video is a crime in and of itself. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/68 "2014-05-24T22:12:12Z")
**Kobal** , I agree with you that there exists a strong pressure in our society to represent one’s worth through their sexuality and friendship. In subtle and not so subtle ways, society shames the loner, the eccentric, and the socially awkward. The pressure to be vouched for by another person transcends all gender and class boundaries. I just don’t know what the solution is. I’d love for people to stop making jokes about lonely 40-year-old virgins, but I just can’t see that happening any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/69 "2014-05-24T22:15:36Z")
As poorly as I worded all that, I did get what you were saying, **Kobal**. I just think I got distracted by something shiny and went off on my own observations about this. Sorry for conflating the two, because your point is a very interesting one. On another note, I wonder why he didn’t stick to his plan? Was there something so wrong with his personality that he couldn’t even make it in the door of a sorority without being circumspect? ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/70 "2014-05-24T22:44:01Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > What’s really sad is there’s probably several women who are thinking that right now. Wish there was a way to convince them it’s not their fault. ☹ Hopefully there are several women out there feeling thankful they trusted their gut and didn’t get involved with this wackjob. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/71 "2014-05-24T22:51:52Z")
Men link sex and violence, film at 11. He didn’t target anyone in particular, right? I never got that. I can understand people who shoot up their workplace. Kill the boss and that bitch in accounting, sure. Or bullies at school. Or their neighbors. Can’t imagine offing strangers would be terribly satisfying, even to a psycho. And he still died a virgin. Why didn’t he kidnap someone? Kids these days have no ambition. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/72 "2014-05-24T22:56:03Z")
> [@Eliahna](#): > > Hopefully there are several women out there feeling thankful they trusted their gut and didn’t get involved with this wackjob. Exactly. If a girl gave him sex, then what? I doubt this dude would’ve been satisfied with any one-night stand. He probably would’ve shot the girl and the next guy he found her with. Remember, he’s “the perfect gentleman”. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/73 "2014-05-24T23:29:46Z")
Yeah, like I said. [Fuck](http://www.keyt.com/news/alleged-gunmans-apartment-now-a-crime-scene/26157468) this guy. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/74 "2014-05-24T23:37:27Z")
And fuck the racism in that article’s comments! ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2014, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/75 "2014-05-24T23:50:40Z")
Speaking of comments, were there any on his YouTube video before he went on his rampage? “Hey dipshit, your grand gesture is identical to something I ran through the shredder thirty years ago.” - Bret Easton Ellis ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/76 "2014-05-25T00:25:52Z")
This troubled young man needed a mentor. Someone to tell him that losers and social outcasts are supposed to retreat from the real world into fantasy escapism, like video games, science fiction, or posting on internet message boards. But I guess he was too good for that. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/77 "2014-05-25T00:36:31Z")
After watching his video, I want to punch him in the face. His inner life was vapid and unimportant. What a smarmy, self-involved little shit. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/78 "2014-05-25T01:46:25Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Would _ **you** _ want to go on a date and and have to listen to a bad imitation of a Bond movie villain all night? Leave it out mate… I’m a dead ringer for Odd Job. ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/79 "2014-05-25T02:01:31Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Wait, so you’re telling me there’s a chance this fucknut released an \*ironic \*crazy person manifesto before going on his actual rampage ? 'Cause I’m telling you right now, this shit would be too post-modern for me, man. > > OTOH he’s pretty much how I picture the average, dead earnest MRA redditor so I’m torn on the ironic angle. In his 140 page manifesto which I read, he talked about an antipua website for a paragraph, it’s where failed puas go to rage . The rest is what you would expect from a narcissist turned maniac. No MRA connection there sorry. PUA’s want to get laid/ MRA’s want equality. Big difference there. Source: I read more MRA material than you do obviously. I’d post the link of the manifesto for you to read, but instead have a cup of go fuck yourself instead. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/80 "2014-05-25T02:09:17Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > In his 140 page manifesto which I read, he talked about an antipua website for a paragraph, it’s where failed puas go to rage . > The rest is what you would expect from a narcissist turned maniac. No MRA connection there sorry. > > PUA’s want to get laid/ MRA’s want equality. Big difference there. > > Source: I read more MRA material than you do obviously. > > I’d post the link of the manifesto for you to read, but instead have a cup of go fuck yourself instead. People actually proudly label themselves MRAs? What’s next, having people demand a National Association for the Advancement of White People? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=5)