# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/81 "2014-05-25T02:13:33Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > People actually proudly label themselves MRAs? > > What’s next, having people demand a National Association for the Advancement of White People? There are certainly areas in which men suffer from systemic denial of equal treatment under the law…custodial awards following divorces, for one example. Why shouldn’t someone advocate against that? ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/82 "2014-05-25T02:13:55Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > People actually proudly label themselves MRAs? > > What’s next, having people demand a National Association for the Advancement of White People? Rhetorical amirite ? ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/83 "2014-05-25T02:17:14Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > In his 140 page manifesto which I read, he talked about an antipua website for a paragraph, it’s where failed puas go to rage . > The rest is what you would expect from a narcissist turned maniac. No MRA connection there sorry. > > PUA’s want to get laid/ MRA’s want equality. Big difference there. > > Source: I read more MRA material than you do obviously. > > I’d post the link of the manifesto for you to read, but instead have a cup of go fuck yourself instead. [His entire stupid manifesto here.](http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto) ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/84 "2014-05-25T02:18:50Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > [His entire stupid manifesto here.](http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto) golfclap ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/85 "2014-05-25T02:27:53Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Messed up thing is that he was physically attractive and his father is a successful [Hollywood director](http://variety.com/interstitial/?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fvariety.com%2F2014%2Ffilm%2Fnews%2Fucsb-shooting-suspect-may-be-son-of-hunger-games-assistant-director-1201191271%2F). > > With that going for him, I find it hard to believe that _no_ girls were open to dating him. It defies belief. So either he was overly fixated on unavailable girls at the top of the social totem pole (like sorority girls) to the exclusion of every other female in the universe, or his personality was just that unattractive. My guess is that his personality was just that unattractive. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/86 "2014-05-25T02:29:16Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > And he still died a virgin. Why didn’t he kidnap someone? Kids these days have no ambition. Or hire a prostitute. ETA: Maybe he tried that, and they didn’t want him either. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/87 "2014-05-25T02:30:17Z")
Antipua? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/88 "2014-05-25T02:31:14Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > [His entire stupid manifesto here.](http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto) He’s pissed off because he kept not winning the lottery. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/89 "2014-05-25T02:39:53Z")
I heard a report that he had Asperger’s, if true, he had no ability to relate to people. He probably came across as weird in person. The Santa Barbara sheriffs also say they had had dealings with him three times in the past, but I don’t know what those dealings involved. Does anybody know who the three dead people in his apartment were? And are they being counted in the six dead? If he was being treated by psychologists, how did he get guns? Several of them? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/90 "2014-05-25T02:40:41Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > PUA’s want to get laid/ MRA’s want equality. Big difference there. > [@Bricker](#): > > There are certainly areas in which men suffer from systemic denial of equal treatment under the law…custodial awards following divorces, for one example. > > Why shouldn’t someone advocate against that? While I don’t doubt there are a lot of sincere and principled people (both male and female) advocating against discrimination and unfair gender expectations imposed on men, by far the most vocal and visible segment of the self-identified “Men’s Rights Activism” movement seems to be largely made up of resentful misogynist whiners. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/91 "2014-05-25T02:43:46Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Antipua? “Anti-PUA”, short for “pickup artist”. [manboobz](http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/) comments: > [@](#): > > So far we have evidence that he [i.e., the shooter] was a commenter at PUAhate, a site ostensibly designed to critique PUAs but which has degenerated into a haven for misogynistic “incels” [“involuntary celibates”, i.e., guys who consider themselves unfairly oppressed because nobody wants to have sex with them] and angry trolls. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/92 "2014-05-25T02:46:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I heard a report that he had Asperger’s, if true, he had no ability to relate to people. This is like saying that a mentally handicapped person has no ability to do math. The guy may have been socially dysfunctional. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t have any ability. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/93 "2014-05-25T03:15:55Z")
Not the same thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/94 "2014-05-25T03:27:09Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Rhetorical amirite ? No, whining about “men’s rights” is as stupid as whining about discrimination against white people. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/95 "2014-05-25T03:55:58Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > This is like saying that a mentally handicapped person has no ability to do math. The guy may have been socially dysfunctional. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t have any ability. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Not the same thing at all. I agree with **Rick Kitchen** here \*\*monstro. \*\* One of the problems that arises when every slightly odd or quirky kid gets a diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome is that we then tend to minimise the impact of of the symptoms for _everyone_ so diagnosed. Asperger’s can be truly crippling in it’s most severe form, and whilst we don’t know the circumstances yet of Elliot’s medical history, it is quite telling that there was a 22 yr old, good looking and otherwise privileged male who had NO FACEBOOK FRIENDS whatsoever. There’s something really sad about that. Not that I place any value in FB or the friend status, but for many socially-dysfunctional-in-real-life people FB has been a godsend in that it gives them a sense of being part of the social fabric. To have no FB friends at all screams out a major disability. But anyway, yeah, still fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/96 "2014-05-25T04:01:29Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > No, whining about “men’s rights” is as stupid as whining about discrimination against white people. Caveat: I agree that **legal** disadvantaging of men, like legal disadvantaging of whites, is pretty trivial in the US (and in most if not all other historically-majority-white and historically-patriarchal societies). But ISTM as a white female that in terms of societal expectations, the legacy of patriarchy is more restrictive towards men than the legacy of racism is towards whites. Men still get fed a lot of sexist bullshit that they’re not allowed to cry, they’re not supposed to like domestic tasks or be any good at them, they’re supposed to be tall and muscular, they’re supposed to prove their worth by excelling at fighting and getting laid, etc. etc. etc. Whites as an ethnicity, on the other hand, are allowed to do or be pretty much whatever they please: they aren’t seriously pressured into any kind of “race roles” the way that men (and women too, of course) are still pressured into gender roles. Sadly, the most vocal and visible “men’s rights” supporters are actually **embracing** restrictive gender roles rather than resisting them. In fact, one of the reasons they profess hate for feminists is that feminism undermines traditional gender roles for men and women alike. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/97 "2014-05-25T04:19:21Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I agree with **Rick Kitchen** here \*\*monstro. \*\* One of the problems that arises when every slightly odd or quirky kid gets a diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome is that we then tend to minimise the impact of of the symptoms for _everyone_ so diagnosed. Asperger’s can be truly crippling in it’s most severe form, and whilst we don’t know the circumstances yet of Elliot’s medical history, it is quite telling that there was a 22 yr old, good looking and otherwise privileged male who had NO FACEBOOK FRIENDS whatsoever. Sorry, this is a load of crock. Asperger’s is an autism spectrum disorder. A _spectrum_. It describes people who are so handicapped they need to be institutionalized. And it also describes people who have children and SO’s and, believe it or not, _friends._ It describes people with little, some, many, and no abilities. Just like any condition, from blindness/deafness to schizophrenia to diabetes. And also mental retardation. I’m guessing your average mentally disabled person is more handicapped than your typical person with Asperger’s Syndrome. But if someone told me that being mentally disabled means you have no ability to reason, I’d think that person had never met anyone who is mentally disabled before. Because that’s a pretty stupid thing to say. And it’s stupid to say that someone with high-functional autism has no ability to relate to people. This is simply not true at all. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what autism is. > [@](#): > > There’s something really sad about that. Not that I place any value in FB or the friend status, but for many socially-dysfunctional-in-real-life people FB has been a godsend in that it gives them a sense of being part of the social fabric. To have no FB friends at all screams out a major disability. I have no FB friends either. Guess I need to quit my job and move into a group home for the developmentally disabled. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/98 "2014-05-25T04:27:10Z")
The [IPUAhate.com](http://IPUAhate.com) website seems to have been taken down. Someone who seems to be associated with that site has created a fake Elliot Rodger facebook page defending the site. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/99 "2014-05-25T04:32:26Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Sorry, this is a load of crock. > > Asperger’s is an autism spectrum disorder. A _spectrum_. It describes people who are so handicapped they need to be institutionalized. And it also describes people who have children and SO’s and, believe it or not, _friends._ > > It describes people with little, some, many, and no abilities. > > Just like any condition, from blindness/deafness to schizophrenia to diabetes. And also mental retardation. I’m guessing your average mentally disabled person is more handicapped than your typical person with Asperger’s Syndrome. But if someone told me that being mentally disabled means you have no ability to reason, I’d think that person had never met anyone who is mentally disabled before. Because that’s a pretty stupid thing to say. And it’s stupid to say that someone with high-functional autism has no ability to relate to people. This is simply not true at all. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what autism is. WTF? Did you read my post at all (let’s leave out that you actually QUOTED it)? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/100 "2014-05-25T04:43:24Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > WTF? Did you read my post at all (let’s leave out that you actually QUOTED it)? > > 😕 What were you agreeing with **Rick Kitchen** about? I thought I had made it clear that I took issue with him saying that a diagnosis of Asperger’s means Rodgers had “no ability to relate to people”. If you weren’t agreeing with this bit, then I apologize for jumping down your throat. If you were, then my comment still stands. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=6)