# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/101 "2014-05-25T04:54:32Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > What were you agreeing with **Rick Kitchen** about? I thought I had made it clear that I took issue with him saying that a diagnosis of Asperger’s means Rodgers had “no ability to relate to people”. If you weren’t agreeing with this bit, then I apologize for jumping down your throat. > > If you were, then my comment still stands. As I stated in my post, Rodgers medical history hasn’t been fully released yet, except to note that he had been diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome. AND, as I further noted, Asperger’s Syndrome is now the disability-de-jour for many people, which has diluted the seriousness of the syndrome for many in the community. This has caused problems for those who fully fit all the diagnostic criteria, because Asperger’s Syndrome (in it’s most serious form) is quite disabling. So, for some people diagnosed with Asperger’s, relating to people is no problem at all. For others at the other end of the spectrum, people don’t really exist in their world. What I suggested, given that Rodgers had no friends IRL OR on FB, was that his diagnosis may find him at the worst end of the spectrum. I hope this allays your hissy-fit. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/102 "2014-05-25T05:12:22Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > As I stated in my post, Rodgers medical history hasn’t been fully released yet, except to note that he had been diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome. AND, as I further noted, Asperger’s Syndrome is now the disability-de-jour for many people, which has diluted the seriousness of the syndrome for many in the community. This has caused problems for those who fully fit all the diagnostic criteria, because Asperger’s Syndrome (in it’s most serious form) is quite disabling. > > So, for some people diagnosed with Asperger’s, relating to people is no problem at all. > > For others at the other end of the spectrum, people don’t really exist in their world. What I suggested, given that Rodgers had no friends IRL OR on FB, was that his diagnosis may find him at the worst end of the spectrum. > > I hope this allays your hissy-fit. 😉 FWIW, I have been diagnosed with AS. I don’t accept the diagnosis at all in this point in my life, and I’m inclined to agree that it is often misdiagnosed in others as well. And yet the label is in my medical records, waiting to come out lest I do something stupid and crazy. At any given moment, I can only name two people who I care and love enough to call " true friends". And yet I think I can relate to people. Sure, I’m not going to win Miss Congeniality anytime soon. But I can relate well enough to people to make it through school and hold down a job and post on a message board. Just like Elliot Rodger was able to do. I don’t have FB friends either. I’d hate for someone to think this means anything other than I simply don’t like FB. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/103 "2014-05-25T05:35:30Z")
I didn’t see anything in the newsfeeds to indicate that Elliot actually had a job. IOW, cite? ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/104 "2014-05-25T05:45:15Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I didn’t see anything in the newsfeeds to indicate that Elliot actually had a job. > > IOW, cite? Fuck that, I’m waiting for confirmation that Rodgers was ever diagnosed with Asperger’s. So far, it sounds like total unconfirmed speculation. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/105 "2014-05-25T05:46:07Z")
I don’t know if he had a job. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s never worked a day in his life. Are you implying that lack of employment would be proof that he was profoundly social retarded? Because if that’s the case, millions of spoiled college-aged kids need to be check out by a professional. ---
**Author:** ![Aeon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/57b2e6/32.png) [@Aeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeon)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/106 "2014-05-25T05:48:37Z")
Let’s all make fun of the feminists saying male entitlement was a factor, ignoring the book-length manifesto about what women owe him. Yet, the MRA stuff was just a sympton of his insanity, not the cause. It’s easy to see why he snapped. He probably thought he had everything needed to score with the ladies. Youth, a nice ride, daddys wealth, daddy’s connection to Hollywood, a full head of hair, class and sophistication (or so he thought). Little did he know that his very personality was the thing keeping them at bay. Obviously he _did_ know that on some level. And it made him fall into despair. And lash out like the dipshit he was. A sane man driven to the brink of his privilege. I presume the peer testimonials will come flooding in to the internets this week, and I seriously doubt there is going to be any of the “oh wow, he seemed like such a nice guy” stuff. This kid seems like he probably had creeper stink-lines visibly wafting off of him. How the fuck do you not get laid in that college, with that face, with that car? Being an insanity man made him a failure man. Somewhere, there is a girl who maybe once considered making out with him who is feeling really, really shitty right now. On second thought: No way, I’m sure any girls that almost made out with him are realizing just how close they came to getting stalked and / or killed, as if anyone that was this much of a nutbar would have been pacified by getting laid once. Hookers wouldn’t have fixed this guy, either. Presumably even if this guy had gotten laid at some point he still would have been a psychotic egomaniac that ended up shooting somebody when he felt disrespected for being “just” the offspring of a third-tier Hollywood type instead of James Cameron or so. As banal as his whole life was, his manifesto is a thing of beauty. It says he was supposed to do this in April, in a much more spectacular way involving a bag of severed heads. A failure man til the bitter end. So what are we as a society left with? A mass killing spree that is perfectly calibrated to cause the least interesting arguments between the least interesting people in the least interesting ways. Its useful to see everybody put on their team colours, though. Because, like, predictably, this is making the rounds on the internet and people are focusing on the creepy MRA stuff instead of discussing the concerns of, you know, (probably untreated) SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS. A whole bunch of people are today finding out about MRAs and how dangerously psychotic every single person who ever bought a dating guide suddenly is. This is going to be one of the most obnoxious weeks on every social media outlet in a long time ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/107 "2014-05-25T05:54:23Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I don’t know if he had a job. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s never worked a day in his life. > > Are you implying that lack of employment would be proof that he was profoundly social retarded? Because if that’s the case, millions of spoiled college-aged kids need to be check out by a professional. **You** were the one who claimed he’d had a job. > [@](#): > > But I can relate well enough to people to make it through school and hold down a job and post on a message board. Just like Elliot Rodger was able to do. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/108 "2014-05-25T05:55:12Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > For others at the other end of the spectrum, people don’t really exist in their world. What I suggested, given that Rodgers had no friends IRL OR on FB, was that his diagnosis may find him at the worst end of the spectrum. Well, the person you said you were agreeing with said that if Rodgers had Asperger’s syndrome then “he had no ability to relate to people.” Not that people with Asperger’s/autism spectrum disorders tend to have trouble relating to others, or that people at the extreme end of the spectrum cannot relate to others, but that Asperger’s = no ability to relate to people. Do you agree with that or not? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/109 "2014-05-25T05:57:58Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Well, the person you said you were agreeing with said that if Rodgers had Asperger’s syndrome then “he had no ability to relate to people.” Not that people with Asperger’s/autism spectrum disorders tend to have trouble relating to others, or that people at the extreme end of the spectrum cannot relate to others, but that Asperger’s = no ability to relate to people. Do you agree with that or not? Do I agree with what? Come back with a decent fucking question. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/110 "2014-05-25T06:07:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > There are certainly areas in which men suffer from systemic denial of equal treatment under the law…custodial awards following divorces, for one example. > > Why shouldn’t someone advocate against that? If that’s what MRAs did, I don’t think anyone would mock them. However, since your average MRA owns a fedora and subscribes to r/redpill… ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/111 "2014-05-25T06:35:32Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Do I agree with what? > > Come back with a decent fucking question. I’m sorry, I thought my question was pretty straightforward. I quoted a statement about Asperger’s syndrome made by **Rick Kitchen** , the person you told **monstro** that you agreed with, and asked if you really agreed with what he said. I asked because the point I thought you were trying to make did not seem to be in agreement with **Rick Kitchen** ’s post, but I wasn’t sure I’d understood you properly. Although this is the Pit, I am a bit surprised that you’ve chosen to be so rude to someone who was merely asking you to clarify your position. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/112 "2014-05-25T06:45:36Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I’m sorry, I thought my question was pretty straightforward. I quoted a statement about Asperger’s syndrome made by **Rick Kitchen** , the person you told **monstro** that you agreed with, and asked if you really agreed with what he said. I asked because the point I thought you were trying to make did not seem to be in agreement with **Rick Kitchen** ’s post, but I wasn’t sure I’d understood you properly. > > Although this is the Pit, I am a bit surprised that you’ve chosen to be so rude to someone who was merely asking you to clarify your position. So, you didn’t read my previous posts, and you want me now to clarify them? They were clear, explanatory, and should have answered any questions you might have had. How about you read the thread properly? That might help! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/113 "2014-05-25T06:51:59Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Source: I read more MRA material than you do obviously. … obviously, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/114 "2014-05-25T07:30:30Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Fuck that, I’m waiting for confirmation that Rodgers was ever diagnosed with Asperger’s. So far, it sounds like total unconfirmed speculation. Whatever the case, he displays a pretty disjointed self-perception. Just a quick glance at the “manifesto”/autobiography (more than few paragraphs are hard to endure) turns up sentences like this: > [@](#): > > As I passed by groups of girls I pretended to imagine that they secretly adored and wanted me. After all, that was how it was _meant_ to be. The more I walked around the campus, the more I tried to convince myself that that was the case. How exactly does one _pretend_ to _imagine_ what someone else _secretly_ desires? This is not simply a sloppy misuse of metapragmatic language on his part, because the rest his language is fairly carefully chosen. I mean, it isn’t possible to knowingly delude yourself. If we are to take such accounts at face value, I’d say it shows some degree of cognitive disintegration. It’s either that, or it’s fake. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/115 "2014-05-25T08:58:50Z")
I tend to agree that you can’t be [so massively douchey\*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqn8gTmEQw) without being pretty unhinged. Yeesh, never thought I’d feel embarrassed for a mass murderer… talk about the antithesis of going out in a blaze of glory. - I mean seriously, if that’s how he was trying to impress the ladies and he actually watched his own video, he’d have to be pretty out of touch to not see the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/116 "2014-05-25T09:55:16Z")
…New legislation, which will be introduced by Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) in the House, and Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) in the Senate, would give the CDC (Center for Disease Control) $10 million a year “for the purpose of conducting or supporting research on firearms safety or gun violence prevention.” A National Rifle Association spokeswoman called the push for new CDC funding “unethical.” [WTF?](http://www.propublica.org/article/democrats-push-to-restart-cdc-funding-for-gun-violence-research) ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/117 "2014-05-25T12:28:43Z")
A long time ago in one of our PUA threads I speculated that it’s combination of game theory plus social isolation might attract Aspergers personalities. It just stands to figure, just as so many Pintrest activities attract women with AMSR. I admit I’d starve as a mental health professional. However, there’s one distinction that is being overlooked in this shooting: the warped view of ones self VS everyone else due to Aspergers, or gender, class, adolescence, horniness, etc. does NOT reduce ones fellow human beings to mere devices to be fucked and/or killed at whim. That is nothing short of psychosis. This kid was a poster boy for Aspergers or MRA like Jeffrey Dahmer was an indictment of gay rights. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/118 "2014-05-25T12:37:02Z")
Let’s cut to the chase. He was a spoiled prick and if he couldn’t get a shag- well, it does not take Einstein to work out what the problem was. He could have just topped himself instead of taking others out. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/119 "2014-05-25T12:38:53Z")
> **[Elliot Rodger manifesto outlines plans for Santa Barbara attack](https://www.smh.com.au/world/elliot-rodger-manifesto-outlines-plans-for-santa-barbara-attack-20140525-38wkc.html)** > > Elliot Rodger, the suspect in a rampage near UC Santa Barbara, outlined his intentions in a 137-page document that he sent Friday night, shortly before the killings, to someone he knew from an online body building forum. > [@](#): > > How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age of thirteen while I’ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice! [http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/05/24/elliot-rodger-isla-vista-shooting-suspect-posted-racist-messages-on-misogynistic-website/](http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/05/24/elliot-rodger-isla-vista-shooting-suspect-posted-racist-messages-on-misogynistic-website/) > [@](#): > > Full Asian men are disgustingly ugly and white girls would never go for you. You’re just butthurt that you were born as an asian piece of shit, so you lash out by linking these fake pictures. You even admit that you wish you were half white. You’ll never be half-white and you’ll never fulfill your dream of marrying a white woman. I suggest you jump off a bridge. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/120 "2014-05-25T12:51:03Z")
You know, I didn’t kiss a girl until I was 22\*, but at no point in the rather miserable preceding 8 years did I ever consider the possibility that it was \*their \*fault. I always just blamed myself. - I lost my virginity soon afterwards. Very soon. It was an interesting evening. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=7)