# Fuck this guy (Santa Barbara shooter) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182 "2014-05-24T14:36:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ashley\_Pomeroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c68b51/32.png) [@Ashley\_Pomeroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashley_Pomeroy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/121 "2014-05-25T13:17:46Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You know, I didn’t kiss a girl until I was 22\*, but at no point in the rather miserable preceding 8 years did I ever consider the possibility that it was \*their \*fault. I always just blamed myself. > > - I lost my virginity soon afterwards. Very soon. It was an interesting evening. Well, it’s the same thing, isn’t it? That’s how you lose your… the kissing, that’s how it’s done. Right? Sadly the original video has been taken down. Imagine if he had been a Youtube partner - think of how much he would have made from ad impressions etc. Ponder the kind of adverts that might have appeared next to the video. [http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/business/youtube-removes-video-posted-by-shooting-suspect.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/business/youtube-removes-video-posted-by-shooting-suspect.html) “A spokeswoman for Google, which owns YouTube, said the video had been removed because it violated the service’s guidelines against acts like stalking, intimidating behavior and making threats.” Given that Youtube is essentially an advert-pushing network, I wonder if anybody made money from it? There are numerous reuploads, e.g. the following, the top one with almost a million views: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUW3Km01BM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUW3Km01BM) [https://vimeo.com/96299117](https://vimeo.com/96299117) Presumably they weren’t reuploaded for the sake of science, it’s an attempt to milk some advertising dollars out of the transient infamy. I had always assumed that Vimeo had slightly higher standards. The video will no doubt end up being passed around until the next atrocity overshadows it, and the whole thing is forgotten. Imagine a scenario where a man commits murder in order to profit from the Youtube advertising revenue; where he uses that revenue to fund his defence. In the US I understand that murder sentences are generally very high, unless you’re wealthy already. It strikes me that the media is also using the video to make money, and at this point I realise that I’m just regurgitating the thrust of _Natural Born Killers_ and countless antecedents. It’s all a big money-go-round. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/122 "2014-05-25T14:00:08Z")
Not that I’m an expert on AS, but autism (if he had it) seems to be the least of his problems. By the time they reach his age, most kids with Asperger’s realize that they are the source of their own social difficulties. They may lack the ability to act “normal”, but they are not deluded. This guy seemed to be more narcissitic than anything else. In his mind, everyone else was responsible for his unhappiness. He was perfect, and thus he felt entitled. I too am wondering where he got guns from. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/123 "2014-05-25T14:02:16Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Do I agree with what? > > Come back with a decent fucking question. Her question was quite reasonable. I had the same question myself, but you didn’t answer it either. I find it funny you call me out for having a hissy fit, and here you are throwing your own. I didn’t really claim that he had a job. And there are many of people who suffer from Asperger’s Syndrome who are (marginally) employed. But point to you. Still, the guy was in school and active on message boards–two signs that he had some basic social skills. I would think someone with “no ability” wouldn’t be able to do these things because they’d be too fucking weird to function. “No ability” speaks to profound disability. I don’t think his parents would let a profoundly disabled child roam the streets unaccompanied. So I’m guessing he was more functional than either you or **Rick Kitchen** believe he was. I guess I’m tired of people assuming that someone with Asperger’s Syndrome must be a drooling severely handicapped person. And if they aren’t like this, this means they don’t have it. This logic doesn’t help anyone. And I’m worried it is why people who do get labeled can go off the deep end. If you’re constantly told you have “no ability to relate”, why would you even bother trying to be like a normal person? Why _wouldn’t_ someone with no FB friends have poor self-esteem if his whole life he’s been told that FB friends are an indicator of an individual’s worth and mental health. To shout out to a previous IMHO thread, I’m so glad I’m not in my early 20s any more. The pressure to be like everyone else is at its peak during this time. I still don’t have any sympathy for fuckface, though. And fuck his parents if they are in any way responsible for how self-entitled he was. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/124 "2014-05-25T14:03:44Z")
Reports are still sketchy on the guns but they’ve said that he had three of them and that they came from three different cities. One was said to have been bought locally at a shop in Goleta just a few miles from campus. All were purchased legally. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/125 "2014-05-25T14:04:05Z")
> [@Slithy Tove](#): > > the warped view of ones self VS everyone else due to Aspergers, or gender, class, adolescence, horniness, etc. does NOT reduce ones fellow human beings to mere devices to be fucked and/or killed at whim. That is nothing short of psychosis. Well put. Stop over-relating. If PUAs and MRAs and Aspies all led to psycho murdering, we wouldn’t be so fascinated with this one particular guy’s psyche. This guy was batshit insane from the beginning. No amount of psychoanalysis was going to make him a better human being. He doesn’t seem to be a psychopath by the technical definition, nor obviously schizophrenic or paranoid. So what’s his damage? MRA is looking in the wrong direction, in my opinion. There are millions of douchebags, most of them don’t get violent, and most of them get laid. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/126 "2014-05-25T14:13:13Z")
For those interested, the local blog posted below has a very good synopsis of what happened and has the most up to date and, I believe, accurate information. [http://www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=134751](http://www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=134751) ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/127 "2014-05-25T14:14:57Z")
> [@Ashley\_Pomeroy](#): > > Imagine a scenario where a man commits murder in order to profit from the Youtube advertising revenue; where he uses that revenue to fund his defence. Considering how little money most YouTube Partners actually earn from their videos, that’s not bloody likely. And while it feels like I’m talking to a brick wall, I wish people would STOP TALKING ABOUT ASPERGER’S until someone bothers to confirm whether this jerk was actually diagnosed with the condition or not! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/128 "2014-05-25T14:20:00Z")
Youtube video entitled, “why this guy does not attract women”. Posted byThePlayerSupremeshow, Tuesday, May 20 - _four days before the rampage_. > [@](#): > > If you look at him, you can see he’s quirky. That’s why he can’t get a girl… [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpJulVb\_q4#t=18](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpJulVb_q4#t=18) A weird situation becoming weirder by the hour. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/129 "2014-05-25T14:21:42Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > To shout out to a previous IMHO thread, I’m so glad I’m not in my early 20s any more. The pressure to be like everyone else is at its peak during this time. I still don’t have any sympathy for fuckface, though. And fuck his parents if they are in any way responsible for how self-entitled he was. As gross as his video and manifesto are, fuckface’s attitudes are emblematic of the social pressures people are living under today. I find none of his angst particularly shocking given the premium we put on outward displays of status nowadays. Social media has made the pursuit of popularity a competition sport. People can actually maintain a census for their friends. Your value as a person can be quantified by the number of “likes” and retweets your internet musings collect. This guy clearly wanted to win at all this, but he couldn’t. I don’t get the sense that he even knew he had the option of not trying. It was win at all costs to him. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/130 "2014-05-25T14:27:47Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > As gross as his video and manifesto are, fuckface’s attitudes are emblematic of the social pressures people are living under today. I find none of his angst particularly shocking given the premium we put on outward displays of status nowadays. > > Social media has made the pursuit of popularity a competition sport. People can actually maintain a census for their friends. Your value as a person can be quantified by the number of “likes” and retweets your internet musings collect. This guy clearly wanted to win at all this, but he couldn’t. I don’t get the sense that he even knew he had the option of not trying. It was win at all costs to him. No. This guy is not emblematic of anything except murder of innocents motivated by hatred of women. We all face social pressures, but 99.99999% of us manage it without going on a shooting spree. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/131 "2014-05-25T14:28:22Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Reports are still sketchy on the guns but they’ve said that he had three of them and that they came from three different cities. One was said to have been bought locally at a shop in Goleta just a few miles from campus. All were purchased legally. However, three of the six people murdered were stabbed to death and half of the injured were because he hit them with his car. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/132 "2014-05-25T14:32:15Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Youtube video entitled, “why this guy does not attract women”. Posted byThePlayerSupremeshow, Tuesday, May 20 - _four days before the rampage_. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpJulVb\_q4#t=18](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpJulVb_q4#t=18) > > A weird situation becoming weirder by the hour. Just goes to show you that public shaming doesn’t do a damn thing. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/133 "2014-05-25T14:41:04Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Just goes to show you that public shaming doesn’t do a damn thing. How do you know that he was even aware of the shaming? On another note, the reports of Aspergers came from the statement from the family attorney. He was said to have been diagnosed at a young age. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/134 "2014-05-25T14:57:03Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > No. This guy is not emblematic of anything except murder of innocents motivated by hatred of women. We all face social pressures, but 99.99999% of us manage it without going on a shooting spree. Because most people aren’t narcissitic nutjobs with a total disregard for human life. That said, studies have shown [narcissism](http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201401/why-is-narcissism-increasing-among-young-americans) among youth is at all time high. Not that I’m trying to demonize young people, but I don’t think attitudes like Rodger’s are rare at all. I think there are a lot of crazy and not-so-crazy people who feel similar, and our macho culture is only exacerbating it. We are averaging how many of these kinds of shootings a year now? The ones that kill are just the tip of the iceberg. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/135 "2014-05-25T14:59:30Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I heard a report that he had Asperger’s, if true, he had no ability to relate to people. He probably came across as weird in person. The Santa Barbara sheriffs also say they had had dealings with him three times in the past, but I don’t know what those dealings involved. > > Does anybody know who the three dead people in his apartment were? And are they being counted in the six dead? > > If he was being treated by psychologists, how did he get guns? Several of them? In one case, he did a citizen’s arrest on one of his roommates for stealing $22 worth of candles. 😕 The guy actually spent some time in jail - a matter of hours. And officers stopped by his apartment in recent days because they had been alerted to some of the content in his You Tube diatribes. As for his ability to acquire guns (which apparently were indeed all legally obtained), he had no official record of anything that would have come up in a background check. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/136 "2014-05-25T15:01:00Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > How do you know that he was even aware of the shaming? Why would he upload a video four days before he was going to kill himself if he wasn’t at all interested in the comments? Caring about the opinions of others is the hallmark of a narcissist. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/137 "2014-05-25T15:02:54Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > While I don’t doubt there are a lot of sincere and principled people (both male and female) advocating against discrimination and unfair gender expectations imposed on men, by far the most vocal and visible segment of the self-identified “Men’s Rights Activism” movement seems to be largely made up of resentful misogynist whiners. They’re the kind of guys who show no interest in their children until their wife finally walks out on them and takes the kids with her as a result, and then they think they’re going to sue her for full custody. People like this make things much, much harder for men who really SHOULD have primary custody. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/138 "2014-05-25T15:04:22Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I agree with **Rick Kitchen** here \*\*monstro. \*\* One of the problems that arises when every slightly odd or quirky kid gets a diagnosis of Asperger’s Syndrome is that we then tend to minimise the impact of of the symptoms for _everyone_ so diagnosed. Asperger’s can be truly crippling in it’s most severe form, and whilst we don’t know the circumstances yet of Elliot’s medical history, it is quite telling that there was a 22 yr old, good looking and otherwise privileged male who had NO FACEBOOK FRIENDS whatsoever. > > There’s something really sad about that. Not that I place any value in FB or the friend status, but for many socially-dysfunctional-in-real-life people FB has been a godsend in that it gives them a sense of being part of the social fabric. To have no FB friends at all screams out a major disability. > > But anyway, yeah, still fuck him. It’s also possible that he may have received friend requests and declined them, for whatever reason. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/139 "2014-05-25T15:19:37Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > As gross as his video and manifesto are, fuckface’s attitudes are emblematic of the social pressures people are living under today. I find none of his angst particularly shocking given the premium we put on outward displays of status nowadays. > > Social media has made the pursuit of popularity a competition sport. People can actually maintain a census for their friends. Your value as a person can be quantified by the number of “likes” and retweets your internet musings collect. This guy clearly wanted to win at all this, but he couldn’t. I don’t get the sense that he even knew he had the option of not trying. It was win at all costs to him. > [@even\_sven](#): > > No. This guy is not emblematic of anything except murder of innocents motivated by hatred of women. We all face social pressures, but 99.99999% of us manage it without going on a shooting spree. Both of ya’ll are right, for pete’s sake. Every stressor is going to affect some people much more severely than others. Peanuts aren’t harmful to the vast majority of humans, but there’s that tiny percentage that can die from them. And this is sad. But what is the solution? I’m not going to give up my peanut butter OR my freedom of speech any time soon, and I don’t think I’m alone. So given this, the overly sensitives need to learn how to cope. Or just shrivel up and die already. But they can’t expect everyone else to stop the world for them. It’s a tough world. Grow up or blow it, as my father used to say all the time. I’m starting to feel pretty nihilistic about stuff like this, I’m afraid. A person like Elliot Rodger is unfortunate. But maybe he and his ilk are the price we need to be willing to pay to have such breakthroughs as the internet and social media. For every lonely loner like Elliot, there are hundreds of others who have found social connectedness on the internet. If we accept fatal car wrecks as the price society has to pay for having cars, then we need to be prepared to accept homicidal maniacs as the price for having the world at our finger tips. So we need to stop acting like this is just a fad. Shit like this is never going away, and there isn’t much that society can do about it. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182/140 "2014-05-25T15:36:10Z")
30 seconds of the guy’s video is enough to realize that he literally went “fucking crazy”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-this-guy-santa-barbara-shooter/689182.md?page=8)