# Fuck Trump and his followers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749 "2024-11-06T01:27:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/221 "2024-11-11T09:57:49Z")
Not here. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/222 "2024-11-11T09:58:48Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Then progressively evolves as a screed against those who didn’t vote for Harris. Which is a problem because that includes the vast majority of the rest of the world. Umm, if you _couldn’t_ vote for Harris because you’re not a fucking citizen then you didn’t _didn’t_ vote for Harris. But sure, enjoy the game playing, that’s for all intents and purposes trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/223 "2024-11-11T10:12:41Z")
It looks like they don’t live in the U.S. at all, and is just trying to be cute. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/224 "2024-11-11T11:02:35Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > The thread starts out putting the boot into those who voted for Trump. Whatever. > Then progressively evolves as a screed against those who didn’t vote for Harris. Which is a problem because that includes the vast majority of the rest of the world. I mean, you would’ve had a point if this thread was a hijack of … cricket or something. However, you volunteerly jumped into an American politics pit thread. People will (of course) be US centric; as they should be. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/225 "2024-11-11T11:23:05Z")
I was in a gas station convenience store a day after the election, bunch of FED-EX drivers there since a big distribution warehouse is nearby. They were all loud in general, but one of them screams out “Today is a great day, you know why? Because trump won!” His buddy said “Yes and he’s going to end all the corruption in government”. I Didn’t say anything, but this is what we are dealing with here. Less than 5 miles from the capitol of blue state New York. To be fair most of the other patrons were looking at them like they were nuts and didn’t say anything. Those FED-EX guys are basically in the same job as me as a railroad employee, but they are going to be some of the first fucked by trump’s policies and cheer him having no clue. trump is with Musk that is saying he wants to replace their jobs with AI self-driving. It’s not about the economy with maga. Fuck Trump and his followers. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/226 "2024-11-11T11:41:21Z")
I frequent a bar & grill located about six miles from me. It’s very blue collar. Many work on the assembly lines at the Honda Assembly Plant in Marysville. The mood after the election was ecstatic. Not sure how the Dems are going dig themselves out of this one. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/227 "2024-11-11T12:02:45Z")
I have a bit of hope after seeing some actual numbers. Yes, Trump won all of the swing states, but the margins were fairly close from what I saw on Friday. Less than 100k except in PA. I do think the bomb threats in some of these areas, as well as Russian backed propaganda targeted to young black men, suppressed turnout but I don’t think there was fraud. NC voted for the Democrats down ballot and Gallego beat Lake in AZ. Several left leaning ballot initiatives passed in red states. The Democrats have a messaging problem and maybe one more chance in '26. I thought it may be too late but from the numbers I’m seeing there is a chance. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/228 "2024-11-11T13:45:03Z")
One reason that demagogues like Trump _need_ to point the blame at basically every single category of minority in the country: > [@Effects of Minimum Wage](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/effects-of-minimum-wage/920726/60): > > That’s a fair point, but we don’t see relatively affluent people being blamed for driving up the stock market. And … yet … as I mentioned earlier in this thread … those investment dollars aren’t in mason jars in the yard, in mattresses, or in piggy banks. They’re in the pipeline and are somewhat traceable. As is money put in banks and other savings vehicles. Meaning … that money is being spent. In the process, it creates upward pricing pressure. But we aren’t blaming the wealthy for their … Trump and _his_ ilk did 99% of the damage _to_ ‘non-college white men’ that they suffer from, now. But as they wade in legitimate economic misery, they _still_ write him checks on the regular. And @Lumpy insists that demagogues and propaganda don’t really influence people’s thoughts, opinions, and votes? It is to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/229 "2024-11-11T14:32:39Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > The thread starts out putting the boot into those who voted for Trump. Whatever. > Then progressively evolves as a screed against those who didn’t vote for Harris. Which is a problem because that includes the vast majority of the rest of the world. I’ve said before that American elections are so important to the rest of the world that we should be allowed to vote. As of this month I’m no longer sure that Americans should have the same right. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/230 "2024-11-11T16:20:48Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > And @Lumpy insists that demagogues and propaganda don’t really influence people’s thoughts, opinions, and votes? It is to laugh. They don’t _change_ people’s thoughts, opinions and votes. They don’t program people like tabula rasa robots. They tell people what they want to hear, that they are not alone in holding the opinions they do, and they encourage, reassure and embolden those people. IMHO that’s the huge difference between propaganda on the Right and the Left: the Right is tapping into a huge reservoir of reactionary sentiment that’s already out there. The Left is trying to **mold** people, to make them into what they think the people ought to be. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/231 "2024-11-11T16:26:21Z")
So – really, really – despite the fact that you decried this very sentiment that you ascribed _to_ the left, the only thing you’re really saying is that the right _does_ do propaganda _better than_ the left. I totally agree. ETA: and/or that the RW audience is far more susceptible _to_ the propaganda and demagoguery – just as I contend. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/232 "2024-11-11T16:31:43Z")
I said that the two use utterly and completely different approaches. You’re still presuming that what the Right does is the same as the Left, only more successfully, which just isn’t the case. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/233 "2024-11-11T16:33:28Z")
Propaganda and demagoguery _are not the same_ as propaganda and demagoguery? Marketing and advertising _are not the same_ as marketing and advertising? You’re trying to split a ridiculously fine hair, here. Seems a long way to go in order to try to appear to be correct, no? ETA: I’ll concede the point, though, that there’s probably more power in the right-wing lies than there is in the left-wing truths. Which – again – reinforces my basic premise. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/234 "2024-11-11T16:36:27Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > the right _does_ do propaganda _better than_ the left. They both do it. But I also think the right lied a _lot_ more than the left for this election. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/235 "2024-11-11T16:36:38Z")
Yes the public just needed a reminder how much they hated tan suits and mustard on hamburgers and folks saying Happy Holidays. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/236 "2024-11-11T16:41:00Z")
No, propaganda and demagoguery are not the same as marketing and advertising. In a free-market system, marketing and advertising have to _work_; if they don’t both the advertiser and the marketing agency they worked with go out of business. So by sheer Darwinian selection they’ve converged on what works. Propaganda is a top-down goal oriented attempt to **make** people think a certain way. As I remarked in another thread, the Left is bitterly envious of the hucksters’ success, and wonder why they can’t seem to make people do “what they ought to”. It’s the difference between a con artist and a reeducation camp indoctrination officer. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/237 "2024-11-11T16:42:38Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > No, propaganda and demagoguery are not the same as marketing and advertising. The former two are political, the latter two commercial. The difference is of purpose, not nature. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/238 "2024-11-11T16:44:32Z")
I disagree, I think they truly are fundamentally different in nature; and I think it says something that the respondents don’t see the difference. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/239 "2024-11-11T16:46:36Z")
You wanna expound on what the difference is so perhaps we respondents can see what you’re seeing? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/240 "2024-11-11T16:52:07Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > the huge difference between propaganda on the Right and the Left: the Right is tapping into a huge reservoir of reactionary sentiment that’s already out there. The Left is trying to **mold** people, to make them into what they think the people ought to be. Disagree with this analysis. I’d argue that there are probably more ways that the left is catering to real-world concerns and the right is trying to mold them. Yes white supremacy is a big part of American culture and always has been, but showing graphic images of black-on-white crime, spreading myths about eating dogs and illegals voting, all this is to _stoke_ fear and prejudice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749.md?page=13)