# Fuck Trump and his followers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749 "2024-11-06T01:27:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/261 "2024-11-12T03:20:05Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > the political right in the USA are pro-rapist I can’t stand the political right, but… Pro-rapist? This is why you’re going to lose. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/262 "2024-11-12T03:28:46Z")
While I truly understand your point … At this point, there’s only two positions for a Trump supporter. You either: -Like him _because of_ who he is, or -Like him _in spite of_ who he is That’s by definition. And I would submit to you that one answer is much worse than the other, but that both answers are pretty damned awful. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/263 "2024-11-12T03:31:10Z")
I guess I can’t disagree with your logic. But my point is that the human mind is much more than simple logic. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/264 "2024-11-12T03:43:04Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > > [@BlankSlate](#): > > > > the political right in the USA are pro-rapist > > I can’t stand the political right, but… Pro-rapist? This is why you’re going to lose. Women are freaking dying needlessly because of the laws the RW has put in place. If that does not qualify as rape, I am not sure what does. The RW wants to treat women like livestock. That much is blazingly obvious. I understand that you consider yourself conservative and do not feel that way, but that simply means you are not modern RW. Unless, of course, you actually do think women need to be put in their place, subservient to men. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/265 "2024-11-12T04:03:16Z")
Maybe to show that I truly understand _that_ point, too … Our political preference in a match-up like Trump vs. Harris could be thought of as a big bank of DIP switches and rheostats. The ‘character’ issues are one DIP switch. Think of January 6th as another. The rheostats are a nearly unlimited number of particular issues, policy positions, etc. I’d argue that the two DIP switches I identified are definitely binary – either up or down. The rheostats can be all over the map. How each person _prioritizes_ each is very much a matter of personal preference. But – at whatever cost (“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how _did_ you like the play?”) – the people who supported Trump this time around … put an extremely low priority on personal character issues _and_ the attempted overthrow of the government. They put a higher priority on some or all of the rheostats than on those two DIP switches. And I’m allowing that a **small** fraction of 2024 Trump supporters _genuinely_ don’t believe all the bad stuff they’ve heard about him. Genuinely. I think the rest just don’t care, which brings us back to my binary choice – because of who he is, or in spite of who he is 😉 ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/266 "2024-11-12T04:10:17Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Donald jr to Zelenskyy: “You’re 38 Days from losing your allowance” Says nepo-creep who wishes Daddy loved him more. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/267 "2024-11-12T04:17:02Z")
So what did he do that counteracted being a a twice-impeached insurrectionist rapist? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/268 "2024-11-12T04:38:07Z")
Those are positives to his followers. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/269 "2024-11-12T08:48:03Z")
If I’m going to ‘lose’ then I’ll do it willingly if the alternative is supporting a rapist for the presidency of the USA. Sorry, a little thing called morals. Something the ‘Christian’ right and anyone else who supports Trump lacks entirely. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/270 "2024-11-12T11:17:12Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > No, they’re not. You’re over-the-top, and attitudes like yours are part of the reason the left lost. [Oh, really?](https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/11/business/your-body-my-choice-movement-election/index.html) > An X post from White nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes last Tuesday night saying, “Your body, my choice. Forever,” has been viewed more than 90 million times and reposted more than 35,000 times. Between Thursday and Friday, the ISD recorded a 4,600% increase in mentions of the phrase on X. And a number of women on TikTok posted videos saying their comments had been filled with users posting the phrase. > Many of those trolls are part of the so-called “manosphere,” which the ISD [describes](https://www.isdglobal.org/explainers/the-manosphere-explainer/) as online “misogynistic communities that vary from anti-feminism to more explicit, violent rhetoric towards women.” ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/271 "2024-11-12T12:44:07Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Many of those trolls are part of the so-called “manosphere,” which the ISD [describes](https://www.isdglobal.org/explainers/the-manosphere-explainer/) as online “misogynistic communities that vary from anti-feminism to more explicit, violent rhetoric towards women.” And if the Dems win next time (assuming that that will actually be possible), how TF will it be possible to put the Trumpist toxic genie back in the bottle? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/272 "2024-11-12T23:14:56Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I can’t stand the political right, but… Pro-rapist? This is why you’re going to lose. Nice goalpost move there. Of course calling the right “pro-rape” isn’t politically astute. [That doesn’t make it untrue.](http://goprapeadvisorychart.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/273 "2024-11-13T00:06:07Z")
I am now confused, @Crafter_Man. Are we going to lose because Trump isn’t a rapist, or are we going to lose because we won’t lie and say that Trump isn’t a rapist? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/274 "2024-11-13T03:11:26Z")
No, you ~~'re going to lose~~ lost because you accused everyone who didn’t vote against Trump of being “pro-rape”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/275 "2024-11-13T03:30:54Z")
There is a simple solution then. Either don’t elect a rapist,or ignore that he is a rapist. I chose the former. And you? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/276 "2024-11-13T04:37:15Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > No, you ~~'re going to lose~~ lost because you accused everyone who didn’t vote against Trump of being “pro-rape”. More like, because they _are_ pro-rape and so voted for the rapist. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/277 "2024-11-13T05:07:22Z")
Not every trumpist is a rapist-loving incel. Some are just ignorant of what else is out there. They don’t know what they don’t know. Crafter\_Man is a guy who’s been genuinely, unjustly screwed over in his career, and has a justifiable beef with the world over it. He’s astute enough to see Trump for what he is, but not to the point where he’s willing to expanding his sources to delve further into accurate assessments of what the Dems are actually doing/have done. And somehow illogically thinks that withholding a vote for Trump is equal to also voting for a Dem. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/278 "2024-11-13T05:20:24Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Not every trumpist is a rapist-loving incel. Acting like one makes the difference rather moot, however. “What do you call it when somebody sits down with nine Nazis? Ten Nazis.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/279 "2024-11-13T05:27:46Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Not every trumpist is a rapist-loving incel. Some are just ignorant of what else is out there. Are they also totally ignorant of what _is_ out there? What Trump is? What Trump does? Of the many promises Trump has broken? Of the many lies Trump has told? Of the absolute hatred and disdain for the poor, the needy, and the broken? Of his sneering at the U.S. Military? If all it takes is “They do it tooooo!” and some easily exposed lies, Then it goes from ignorance to _deliberate_ ignorance, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749/280 "2024-11-13T05:35:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are they also totally ignorant of what _is_ out there? Yes. They are. I know a guy who had more integrity than anyone I’ve ever known. Liberal, fair, smart, etc. Married a Fox News addict after a painful divorce. Blindly in love, has heard nothing but Fox News for 12 years now. Hates Trump as a person, but thinks he’ll be good for the country, as seen on Fox. When you’re that brainwashed, you don’t know what you don’t know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-trump-and-his-followers/1009749.md?page=15)