# Fuck Vista! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442 "2008-09-13T15:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sanity\_Challenged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@Sanity\_Challenged](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sanity_Challenged)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/21 "2008-09-13T23:04:18Z")
Umm…that’s…not where the mouse is _supposed_ to go. ---
**Author:** ![5-HT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/f19dbf/32.png) [@5-HT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5-HT)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/22 "2008-09-13T23:07:19Z")
I have had no problems with Vista. I quite like it, in fact. To use a very old joke, I think the OP’s computer problem is between his keyboard and his chair. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Love](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Dr.Love](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Love)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/23 "2008-09-14T06:25:44Z")
> [@Collaborator](#): > > I hated it initially, but it’s evolved to be pretty amazing now, to the point where I can’t imagine using anything else. Update the goddamn OS, get the 64 bit version, and learn to use fucking google, you can solve anything. This is the most stable, fun, well performing kernel of \ has ever made. Stupidity is infectious, stop spreading it. > > So STFU noobs. Except for the \, I really would have expected to read this about some Linux distrobution. And the rest of the post too. I don’t know what that says about this thread, but there it is. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/24 "2008-09-14T06:32:49Z")
Vista is better if you know how to use it. Your mochine can be lame, btw. I have proof.\* Sorry OP. - circa 2003 Toshiba laptop, Vista Biz Edition ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/25 "2008-09-14T06:34:27Z")
> [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](#): > > Vista is better if you know how to use it. Your mochine can be lame, btw. I have proof.\* My God that scans like an ad for Cialis. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/26 "2008-09-14T15:36:28Z")
> [@Collaborator](#): > > I openly encourage people that hate Vista to buy Macs. Why? Because they’re all fucking retards at this point. > > Hardware problems? Maybe you should get something that doesn’t suck. If your computer was made in mid 2007 or earlier, then you should be using windows 3.1 or some shit. Anything with less than 2GB of ram, or that says “Pentium 4 inside” on it, is shit third world starving african children would laugh at. > So STFU noobs. VISTA as released in the United Sates in late 2006. So you are telling me that if you bought a brand new computer anytime during the first six months of VISTA’s existence I should be running 3.1? WTF? Seriously WTF? :rolleyes: Somebody in this thread has a bad case of crainal anal inversion. Rick A n00b with both a memory and a calendar. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/27 "2008-09-14T15:42:45Z")
Fuck _Asus_?! Oh shit, what’s going on? I’ve been using Asus in my builds for years, mainly because of their (consistent) reputation for reliability. Has something changed? I just built my first real Linux box on a P5KPL and had problems with the onboard LAN, but an old NIC and a post to the [Ubuntu forums](http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=881156) got me straightened out. That didn’t seem like an Asus problem, but did I miss something? Everyone has bad boards from time to time, is there some pattern out there? Oh, and fuck Vista. I have XP, it runs stably – any reason to upgrade? Isn’t Vista going the way of ME: a short support span before being replaced with a newer, (better) OS? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/28 "2008-09-14T16:09:43Z")
> [@Collaborator](#): > > I openly encourage people that hate Vista to buy Macs. Why? Because they’re all fucking retards at this point. Listen you mother fucking idiot. People have different opinions about things. Just because you’re some drooling moron who has the neighbor kid install software, don’t mean the rest of us are. Things that suck about vista: No up button. Seriously the breadcrumb is not a good replacement. It’s a piece of shit. The next higher directory moves all over the address bar so you can’t do it by muscle memory, and don’t tell me they took it out to save space. There enough space for motherfucking burn button, but no space an up button? Fuck you asshole. While I’m at the removed a heap of customization from folder explorer. I mean What The Fuck? Why? Idiots. Internet Explorer 7 which also uses a same interface style looks like a toothless 60 year old $5 dollar crack whore. An effective file search. Ever try looking for a file in the windows directory? How about an Exe file? How about something “not in an indexed location”? The start menu is a piece of shit. Who ever programmed it was the stupidest idiot ever. In XP and below menus would expand to show you everything. There was no scrolling unless you set that option. In vista is all squeezed into this little box and you have to click folders to open them. Why would they do that? How stupid do you have to be to think that makes it “easier”? When I had Vista I set it classic start menu but that removed all the cool things the XP start Panel has. Windows 98 has a more usable interface then Vista, if you, you know, use your computer for more then email and myspace. > [@](#): > > Hardware problems? Maybe you should get something that doesn’t suck. You do realize the new Windows Audio system disabled alot of features and audio enhancements on high end sound cards right? > [@](#): > > If your computer was made in mid 2007 or earlier, then you should be using windows 3.1 or some shit. And this is where the above poster reveals what tool che is > [@](#): > > Anything with less than 2GB of ram, or that says “Pentium 4 inside” on it, is shit third world starving african children would laugh at. I was wrong **This** is truely where poster reveals what a tool che is > [@](#): > > Performance problems? Vista smokes everything else at this point, so this can’t be used as an argument anymore. But I thought anything from “mid 2007” was too slow to run Vista? By your own words sounds like a bloated resource hog to me. Oh and then my favorite part: > [@](#): > > Stupidity is infectious, stop spreading it. followed by > [@](#): > > So STFU noobs. The irony! It burns. Allow me to respond [noooo u!](http://galactanet.com/comic/view.php?strip=79) ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/29 "2008-09-14T16:43:32Z")
**Tao** , there are a bunch of third party add-ons (or replacement file managers, for that matter) that will give you an up button; [here’s](http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/tabbed-explorer-add-on-for-windows-vista-and-an-up-button-too/) one off the top of my head (I haven’t used it myself). That comes with a tabbed interface too though, which maybe you don’t want. [Here’s](http://www.askvg.com/mavis-up-button-add-the-missing-up-button-in-windows-vista-explorer-toolbar/) just an up button; it costs five bucks, but given how annoyed you are about the missing up button I imagine it’s probably a bonus that you’ll have to forgo two coffees to pay for it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/30 "2008-09-14T16:50:45Z")
Fuck everything [sub]…that moves. (within reason of course)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/31 "2008-09-14T17:06:10Z")
> [@Dead\_Badger](#): > > **Tao** , there are a bunch of third party add-ons (or replacement file managers, for that matter) that will give you an up button; [here’s](http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/tabbed-explorer-add-on-for-windows-vista-and-an-up-button-too/) one off the top of my head (I haven’t used it myself). That comes with a tabbed interface too though, which maybe you don’t want. [Here’s](http://www.askvg.com/mavis-up-button-add-the-missing-up-button-in-windows-vista-explorer-toolbar/) just an up button; it costs five bucks, but given how annoyed you are about the missing up button I imagine it’s probably a bonus that you’ll have to forgo two coffees to pay for it. 😉 Actually the only day I drink anything close to coffee is on Saturday morning when I get up at 5 am to get in over time, after working till 10:30 PM and getting to bed about 12 am. See I need to save up every dollar I can for college and gas money to go looking for another job when my season job is over. That gas station cappuccino only costs a buck. So the up button costs five weeks worth of coffee!\* Computers are great, but real life needs more attention right now. That said I just installed XP on both the comps, except one that dual boots. That one is for technical reference. I have a computer repair business on the side I’m working on. XP “downgrade” (read Upgrade) rights are the best feature of Vista! \*there’s lies, damn lies, and statistics. This is the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/32 "2008-09-14T18:06:35Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I think Vista gets a bad rap. Not that it doesn’t have flaws - it definitely does. But the obnoxious, annoying things about Vista are very, very obvious and the good things about Vista aren’t. For example, UAC is deliberately in-your-face and it rightfully pisses people off. But the increased stability and security of Vista aren’t noticeable in the short-term, especially since XP wasn’t bad in those areas. If you’re going from crash-a-day (ME) to hardly-ever-crash (XP) it’s obvious. But going from hardly-ever-crash to rarely-crash doesn’t jump out at you. (Or, hardly-ever-get-hacked to rarely-get-hacked.) > > I admit I don’t think it’s worth upgrading to Vista, given the cost. **But if you buy a new computer that comes with Vista, it’s probably not worth your while to reformat and install XP.** Ha! Somebody better tell my customers that (I work in a computer shop), as they didn’t get that bit of news. Of all the laptops we’ve sold since Spring '07, I’d estimate that on about 70-75% of the ones that came with Vista pre-installed, customers asked us to install XP for them. Sometimes we get people who bought a Dell and want us to put XP on it. I think **The Tao’s Revenge** is largely spot on in his criticisms. Yes, I know it’s not entirely fair to compare an OS that’s been out for 7 years and is on its third Service Pack (XP) to one that’s been out barely 2 years and has had only one Service Pack release to date, but still - even in 5 years’ time, I’m fairly sure that I’ll still think that Vista is a POS. The UAC is nearly useless, as people who know what they’re doing turn it off, and the ones who don’t (the ones that this feature was ostensibly designed for) just mindlessly click on any frickin’ pop-up that flashes in front of their mouth-breathing visage, thus defeating its purpose. For the first year or so, we got few PCs/laptops in for spyware removal that had Vista on them. However, now that Dell, HP, et al. have been ramming Vista down everyone’s throats for a while, it seems that the spyware makers have taken notice, and we’ve been getting shitloads of computers with Vista and spyware over the past few months. Defenders of Vista: you cannot deny that it is a bloated resource hog. Laptops that formerly groaned and stuttered under Vista’s oppressive grip frolic freely at near light-speed with XP installed on the same system. And that shit about buying an “up” button - are you fucking kidding me? Having to buy a third-party add-on to restore a basic function that had been in all previous builds of Windows (IIRC) all the way back to the days of 3.1? That’s obscene. For every cool feature that Vista adds, they sneak in a couple of stinkers. E.g. transferring 30GB of data between HDD’s with XP really sucks when one file out of 200,000 is unreadable, and so the entire transfer is aborted. With Vista, the PC transfers all the “easy” files first, and then goes back afterwards, at the very end of the transfer, to ask you how you want to resolve the issues with the “difficult” files. This is, admittedly, a big step up from XP. However, just today I discovered another lovely “feature” of Vista that denies access to modify personal folders to the end-user unless they wade through pages of obfuscation to determine how to “configure permission levels”. Give me a fucking break! I’m the user/administrator! Do what I fucking tell you, you lousy hunk of shit! I’m sure there’s a workaround for that problem. The thing is - _there shouldn’t have to be one in the first place_! Goddamn! - did they even test this loathsome excretion with focus groups of end users before release? Fuck Vista. You can take my XP when you pry it from my cold, dead, carpal-syndrome-ridden fingers. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/33 "2008-09-14T18:13:21Z")
**Fuji** you sound like I did, years ago, when the importance of real life didn’t outweigh the principled frustrations of an OS and software that gave the end user too little power. Now life is more important. And also I know, from experience of other people’s computers… that giving them (even admins) the power they want would be disasterous. People are idiots… And the modern age of computers has created a new and more dangerous kind of idiot… one with the knowledge to fuck about with things, and eventually fuck them up beyond easy repair. Edit: And I forgot this bit: I don’t particularly care that the OS is bloated and a resourse hog… I have enough resources that it is never a problem for me… All the things I do with my comp (including playing games like Crysis with all the options turned to max) works just fine. I can see how it would be a problem for people with lower spec/budget machines… but I am not them… I am a selfish bastard who only cares that MY computer can handle it! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/34 "2008-09-14T18:42:27Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > **Fuji** you sound like I did, years ago, when the importance of real life didn’t outweigh the principled frustrations of an OS and software that gave the end user too little power. I’m sorry. I’m not trying to be rude, but I don’t know what this means. > [@](#): > > Now life is more important. And also I know, from experience of other people’s computers… that giving them (even admins) the power they want would be disasterous. People are idiots.. And the modern age of computers has created a new and more dangerous kind of idiot.. one with the knowledge to fuck about with things, and eventually fuck them up beyond easy repair. Oh, I’m more than aware that people are idiots (I wouldn’t have a job otherwise ;)). But as I said, Vista is still far from idiot-proof, and these extra levels of non-intuitive and unnecessary “security” (I _am_ the motherfuckin’ administrator! Don’t tell me I don’t have “permission” from the administrator!) only serve to irritate the relatively computer-savvy (like myself) while ultimately failing to protect meathead users. > [@](#): > > Edit: And I forgot this bit: I don’t particularly care that the OS is bloated and a resourse hog.. I have enough resources that it is never a problem for me… All the things I do with my comp (including playing games like Crysis with all the options turned to max) works just fine. > > I can see how it would be a problem for people with lower spec/budget machines… but I am not them… I am a selfish bastard who only cares that MY computer can handle it! 😉 You sound like my boss! 😛 He’s got a sweet rig, and Vista is quite silky smooth on his PC. However, I’d estimate that the _vast_ majority of systems sold currently with Vista operate at a considerably lower level of performance than the same system with XP. These laptop-makers who sell fecal piles with a Celeron, 512MB RAM, and Vista should be ashamed of themsleves. I’ve got customers who in 2008 put up with 20-minute start-up times. Sweet Jesus - reminds me of the days of waiting for my Atari 400 to load a game from my 410 cassette recorder… 1. Type “CLOAD” 2. Hit ‘Enter’ 3. Go mow the lawn. 4. Play game. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/35 "2008-09-14T18:47:05Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > I am a selfish bastard who only cares that MY computer can handle it! 😉 My desktop computer can easily handle Vista as well as watching 2 girls one cup\* Yet both are equally bad to put on it, in my opinion. \*warning googling will cause nausea and vomiting. Remember if you don’t know that ignorance is bliss ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/36 "2008-09-14T18:48:06Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Fuck Vista! Fuck Vista! \ Fuck Vista! Fuck Vista! Maybe you should try Mojave. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/37 "2008-09-14T19:09:23Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > And that shit about buying an “up” button - are you fucking kidding me? No. I was providing someone with something I thought they might find helpful, to be taken or left accordingly. Crazy shit in a computer thread, I know. When will I learn? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/38 "2008-09-14T19:20:19Z")
> [@Dead\_Badger](#): > > No. I was providing someone with something I thought they might find helpful, to be taken or left accordingly. Crazy shit in a computer thread, I know. When will I learn? Well I appreciate the thought atleast, thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/39 "2008-09-14T19:41:15Z")
Again I must ask why persons use “fuck x” as an insult or invective. Fucking is generally a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442/40 "2008-09-14T19:44:22Z")
Oh, you’re just mad that they fooled you with that Mojave Experiment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-vista/463442.md?page=3)