# Fuck you Ann, hell has a special place for you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2011, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175 "2011-09-22T07:23:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/41 "2011-09-22T14:52:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > We are. We don’t kill innocent citizens for financial or emotional reasons. Yean and we waste millions doing so. The death penalty is ridiculously expensive. They’re cutting music and art classes at my daughter’s elementary school this year. How about we keep murderers behind bars and use the excess funds so my daughter can have violin lessons for an entire year instead of just half of it? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/42 "2011-09-22T15:03:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I can’t help but notice that thus far no one has offered the slightest evidence that anything Coulter said in the linked article is in error. > > Nor can I help but notice that everyone seems eager to focus on everything but that. > > Really, neither calling her crazy or me a troll has the slightest bearing on what she said. If you disprove her claims I’ll accept it; if not, calling us names isn’t going to settle anything. No, I’m simply stating that 99% of people will ignore what she says and be unwilling to sift through an insulting amount of garbage and read her material. Between disgusting partisan snipes at “the liberals”, Coulter makes a lot of assertions, none of them backed up with citations. I’m sorry, but if you expect me to go through and debunk _that_ crap, then I expect you to go through and debunk the entire first chapter of “Stupid White Men”; you know, the one where Moore clearly lays out his case as to why Bush committed gross electoral fraud. The fact is, I’m not willing to do it because Coulter is a grad A nutcase, and neither will anyone else. As said before, you might as well point to an article in the National Enquirer as evidence and say that the magazine’s previous history has no bearing on this article. No, you’re right; if the article is factual, it doesn’t matter that it showed up in the Enquirer. However, the fact that it showed up in the Enquirer and not, say, The New York Times, or CNN, or the BBC, points to the fact that it’s probably less of the caliber “Obama introduces new job bill: contents explained here” and more of the caliber “Bat-Boy lives!” And this article is _especially_ bad because Coulter, as usual, does not cite sources at all. For all I know, she could be talking entirely out of her ass; and judging from her previous track record, I feel justified in not caring enough to find out. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/43 "2011-09-22T15:39:24Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …However, the fact that it showed up in the Enquirer and not, say, The New York Times, or CNN, or the BBC, points to the fact that it’s probably less of the caliber “Obama introduces new job bill: contents explained here” and more of the caliber “Bat-Boy lives!”… Well, now that you mention it, why won’t Bat Boy release his long-form birth certificate? What is he hiding? ---
**Author:** ![fjs1fs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9e8a1a/32.png) [@fjs1fs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fjs1fs)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/44 "2011-09-22T15:44:45Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I don’t care if the guy’s guilty or not. Americans should abolish the death penalty because it is both incredibly expensive and extremely barbaric. We’re supposed to be better than murderers. Keeping them in cages for the rest of their lives harms no one. Excecuting them is a costly action that brings us down to their level. Keeping people in cages is not barbaric? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/45 "2011-09-22T15:56:10Z")
> [@fjs1fs](#): > > Keeping people in cages is not barbaric? :dubious: I was using hyperpole obviously. Do you have a problem with confining convicted murderers to a small cell in an unpleasant prison? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/46 "2011-09-22T16:00:08Z")
Beneath all the furor and tumult, there is a very important question that needs be addressed: eyewitness evidence. We have long held such testimony in the very highest regard. Recently, a great deal of evidence is surfacing that our confidence is misplaced, that people often do not see what is right in front of them, or remember it incorrectly. How many people do we have in prison, or worse, awaiting execution, or worser, already executed, on the basis of evidence we have good reason to suspect? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/47 "2011-09-22T16:11:38Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The facts, people, the facts! Doesn’t anybody care about the facts? If you cared about the facts, you wouldn’t be citing Ann Freaking Coulter. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/48 "2011-09-22T16:18:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Beneath all the furor and tumult, there is a very important question that needs be addressed: eyewitness evidence. We have long held such testimony in the very highest regard. Recently, a great deal of evidence is surfacing that our confidence is misplaced, that people often do not see what is right in front of them, or remember it incorrectly. > > How many people do we have in prison, or worse, awaiting execution, or worser, already executed, on the basis of evidence we have good reason to suspect? Rapists who use condoms will be happy at this proposal. That said, I’d be interested in a proposal that eliminated the death penalty where the only evidence was eyewitness. That way, we satisfy the goal of protecting society but don’t commit society to making an irrevocable mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/49 "2011-09-22T16:20:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I can’t help but notice that thus far no one has offered the slightest evidence that anything Coulter said in the linked article is in error. [Here you go](http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=10401390). [QUOTE=Ann Coulter] There is more credible evidence that space aliens have walked among us than that an innocent person has been executed in this country in the past 60 years, much less the past five years. [/QUOTE] Although I suppose Coulter is herself pretty credible evidence that non-humans walk among us. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/50 "2011-09-22T16:20:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Beneath all the furor and tumult, there is a very important question that needs be addressed: eyewitness evidence. We have long held such testimony in the very highest regard. Recently, a great deal of evidence is surfacing that our confidence is misplaced, that people often do not see what is right in front of them, or remember it incorrectly. > > How many people do we have in prison, or worse, awaiting execution, or worser, already executed, on the basis of evidence we have good reason to suspect? [New Jersey’s ahead of you](http://news.yahoo.com/jersey-ruling-calls-eyewitness-testimony-023033078.html). Georgia will catch up in about 150 years. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/51 "2011-09-22T16:26:04Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Cheering the death of another person is enough to deserve a special place in hell, no matter how vile the person is. Bin Laden? Hitler? (thread closes for Godwin reasons). ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/52 "2011-09-22T16:27:29Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > :dubious: > > I was using hyperpole obviously. Do you have a problem with confining convicted murderers to a small cell in an unpleasant prison? How is keeping someone all his life in a small cell in an unpleasant prison not barbaric? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/53 "2011-09-22T16:28:27Z")
_New Jersey_ is the pinacle of American jurisprudence? New fucking Jersey? Shit, Jon Stewart will never shut up about this! ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/54 "2011-09-22T17:10:18Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > [http://twitter.com/#!/AnnCoulter/status/116628663260299265](http://twitter.com/#!/AnnCoulter/status/116628663260299265) > > 'Nuff said. No, actually quoting the tweet would have been “'nuff”. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/55 "2011-09-22T17:31:19Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Bin Laden? Hitler? (thread closes for Godwin reasons). Even then. Capital punishment is WRONG, always, and everywhere. There are no two ways about it, and the matter is not open to debate. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/56 "2011-09-22T17:41:16Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Even then. Capital punishment is WRONG, always, and everywhere. There are no two ways about it, and the matter is not open to debate. LOL. I love the “it is so 'cuz I say so” arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/57 "2011-09-22T17:48:31Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Bin Laden? Hitler? (thread closes for Godwin reasons). Yes, even then. One can justify a person’s death, even feel a sense of relief and that the world is a safer place after, without exulting in it. This is even more pronounced when the death is unnecessary for public safety (such as when a prisoner is in custody) and when there is even a sliver of doubt as to the guilt of the victim. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/58 "2011-09-22T18:07:24Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Even then. Capital punishment is WRONG, always, and everywhere. There are no two ways about it, and the matter is not open to debate. **Diogenes the Cynic** is gone, but his spirit lives in our hearts forever. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/59 "2011-09-22T18:12:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > LOL. I love the “it is so 'cuz I say so” arguments. _pfffft._ Not because I say so. Just because it is. Also, it’s not an argument. I don’t waste my time arguing about what are established facts. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175/60 "2011-09-22T18:20:24Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > How is keeping someone all his life in a small cell in an unpleasant prison not barbaric? So what should we do with convicted murderers? Tell me oh wise one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ann-hell-has-a-special-place-for-you/597175.md?page=4)