# Fuck you Blizzard, but thanks for letting us know where we're not wanted. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2006, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495 "2006-02-01T13:00:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![GreyMatters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a9a28c/32.png) [@GreyMatters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreyMatters)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/101 "2006-02-02T01:16:12Z")
Miller, Next up on the pain train i see. Actually, I don’t let my children play the game because of crap like this from all sorts of ppl and their agenda. The ultimate filter. Turn it off. Lets take a lesson in business shall we, dumbasses. Blizzard wants to make money. Blizzard has a game that ppl play and requires a ton of coustomer service. Complaining customers take up a lot of resources. Resources that go to maintaining the game, and, OMG cover your sensitive ears, takes away from profit. Offended customers complain a lot. Blizzard wants to limit complaints by limitting what ppl can and can’t do in game so that they can have more, OMG cover your ears, profit. Are we getting there yet, dumbasses? It has nothing to do with putting down any group. It has to do with the masses of Catholics playing their game that complain whenever they see something that offends them or the GLBT or the Skin Heads or the Muslims or [Insert Race Here]. It doesn’t matter whether they SHOULDN’T be offended. Your opinion of whether they SHOULDN’T be offend is infantile and moronic. They GET offended. That is the bottom line. Blizzard didn’t make the game to convert homophobes so the GLBT can live better lives. They made it to make money. Nub is a short hand of newbie and is a MMORPG term. Oh, and btw, I am not even remotely close to being a homophobe. I just don’t agree that a private company should be beaten up because it is trying to make a nice game that is friendly to the broadest crowd possible. And having any group, like the GLBT or Nazis or KKK or Catholics or Rebublicans or Green Peace, advertise in game WILL cause another group to complain. And you fucking know it. Just because you KNOW your group is righeous and doesn’t deserve this doesn’t mean Blizzard has to take a hit, omg I am going to type it again, on their profits. ---
**Author:** ![GreyMatters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a9a28c/32.png) [@GreyMatters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreyMatters)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/102 "2006-02-02T01:24:46Z")
Revenant, Go read the WoW ToS. There you will find the answers you seek. Thanks for POINTING out how you IGNORED the insults. That was really convincing. I thought this was the Pit. I am just trying to be Pit worthy. Anyway, I must say it is totally amazing how ppl just assume someone is against everything they are for whenever they disagree with an issue. I am not a homophobe. But, because I disagree that Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgenders are being put down by Bliz I am totally against them now? How can groups ever think they will gain support from their opposition with an attitude like that? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/103 "2006-02-02T01:25:46Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > I pointed out that you were annoyed at us **critisicising** Blizzard, not that you were annoyed at the game. Please try to read more carefully in the future. Apperently, **I** need to read more carefully in the future, too. :smack: Oooh, new GM post! > [@](#): > > Oh, and btw, I am not even remotely close to being a homophobe. I don’t recall accusing you of being one. > [@](#): > > I just don’t agree that a private company should be beaten up because it is trying to make a nice game that is friendly to the broadest crowd possible. Well, therein lies the difference. I think morality comes above profit. You seem to disagree. > [@](#): > > And having any group, like the GLBT or Nazis or KKK or Catholics or Rebublicans or Green Peace, advertise in game WILL cause another group to complain. Most likely, yes. > [@](#): > > And you fucking know it. Just because you KNOW your group is righeous and doesn’t deserve this doesn’t mean Blizzard has to take a hit, omg I am going to type it again, on their profits. Of course it doesn’t. Blizzard are perfectly entitled to make as much money as they want. Of course, they’re morally reprehensible slimeballs, but hey, they’re _rich_ morally reprehensible slimeballs. Trebles all round! Anyway, I’m off to get some sleep. **Miller** , enjoy handing this guy his ass. ---
**Author:** ![GreyMatters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a9a28c/32.png) [@GreyMatters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreyMatters)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/104 "2006-02-02T01:34:26Z")
Revenant, My bad. It was Miller who accused me of being a homophobic. Sorry, have a good sleep and f-off. lol. Till next time. ---
**Author:** ![GreyMatters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a9a28c/32.png) [@GreyMatters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreyMatters)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/105 "2006-02-02T01:40:10Z")
Revenant, Sorry, one final question. You can answer tomorrow. So, on that high horse you ride, and see so far, is it difficult for you to play and enjoy the game Blizzard made, them being morally reprehinsible slime balls and profit mongers, and still be a hypocrit for supporting Blizzard with your money? I am just curious. You did say you are part of guild and all. Am I right in assuming that you, the righteous one, are PAYING Blizz to be apart of their put down of the GLBT? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/106 "2006-02-02T01:41:53Z")
> [@GreyMatters](#): > > I am just trying to be Pit worthy. Just because you’re in the Pit doesn’t mean you _have_ to toss insults at everyone with whom you disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/107 "2006-02-02T01:43:39Z")
> [@GreyMatters](#): > > Miller, > > Next up on the pain train i see. Oh, God, please be gentle with me! > [@](#): > > Actually, I don’t let my children play the game because of crap like this from all sorts of ppl and their agenda. The ultimate filter. Turn it off. Then why did you bring up your kids in the first place? > [@](#): > > Lets take a lesson in business shall we, dumbasses. > > Blizzard wants to make money. Blizzard has a game that ppl play and requires a ton of coustomer service. Complaining customers take up a lot of resources. Resources that go to maintaining the game, and, OMG cover your sensitive ears, takes away from profit. Offended customers complain a lot. Blizzard wants to limit complaints by limitting what ppl can and can’t do in game so that they can have more, OMG cover your ears, profit. Oh, profit! Why didn’t you say so? Profit excuses _everything_! > [@](#): > > Are we getting there yet, dumbasses? Considering that you’re merely repeating points that have already been brought up and generally agreed to, I’d say we’re actually quite a ways ahead of you. > [@](#): > > It has nothing to do with putting down any group. It has to do with the masses of Catholics playing their game that complain whenever they see something that offends them or the GLBT or the Skin Heads or the Muslims or [Insert Race Here]. Yep. And right now, Blizzard has a lot of gays and gay-friendly people complaining. It’s exactly the fate they sought to avoid! It’s like a Greek tragedy, or some shit! The question is, which group of complaintant is Blizzard going to listen to, and what does their choice say about their corporate culture? > [@](#): > > It doesn’t matter whether they SHOULDN’T be offended. Your opinion of whether they SHOULDN’T be offend is infantile and moronic. They GET offended. That is the bottom line. Blizzard didn’t make the game to convert homophobes so the GLBT can live better lives. They made it to make money. So, if Blizzard decided they could make the most money by, oh… let’s say making an on-line Dachau simulator, to pick the most dramatic analogy available. You’d be okay with that? You wouldn’t make any sort of value judgement about the company that made the game? Sure, people are going to get offended, but so what? After all, they made it to make money. > [@](#): > > Nub is a short hand of newbie and is a MMORPG term. I’m aware of that. I was mocking you for talking like a twelve year old. > [@](#): > > Oh, and btw, I am not even remotely close to being a homophobe. Well, you do a heck of an impression. > [@](#): > > I just don’t agree that a private company should be beaten up because it is trying to make a nice game that is friendly to the broadest crowd possible. And having any group, like the GLBT or Nazis or KKK or Catholics or Rebublicans or Green Peace, advertise in game WILL cause another group to complain. And you fucking know it. Just because you KNOW your group is righeous and doesn’t deserve this doesn’t mean Blizzard has to take a hit, omg I am going to type it again, on their profits. I don’t give a flying fuck about Blizzard’s profits. Wanting to make money doesn’t give them a pass on lacking a social conscience. They’re playing into the hands of bigots and hate-mongers to incrementally increase their profit share. I’m doing what I can to see that it backfires, so that they’ll behave in a sociall responsible manner. Why is this a problem for you? Are you a shareholder or something? ---
**Author:** ![GreyMatters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a9a28c/32.png) [@GreyMatters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreyMatters)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/108 "2006-02-02T01:56:14Z")
Miller, It really isn’t a problem for me at all. I just like inciting emotions from “victims”. It is fun to see the illogical points being made and even more fun to push buttons. I also think this is a non-issue, for the most part. The GLBT guild exists, will continue to exist, and not being able to advertise in General Chat seems fair, as long as all groups are treated like that. Honestly, the crap in General Chat is so bad that I haven’t had that channel turned on in over a year because it is a tidal wave of crap, offense or otherwise. I kinda don’t like the profanity filter not filtering out “fag” and any other vulgar term for that matter. But, I am with Blizz that the filter isn’t there to filter every type or vulgarity our language can create. Now this is only for General Chat, so please don’t get me wrong. I am an adult and can handle such language. A chat filter, with programming as it is, will most likely never be perfect. It is nice to see that Blizzard is trying to get something in there to protect the kids. The effort is appriciated even if it doesn’t really work. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/109 "2006-02-02T02:09:53Z")
So, you don’t actually have a strong opinion on the issue, you were just posting in an excessively confrontational manner to get a rise out of people? ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/110 "2006-02-02T03:03:04Z")
> [@GreyMatters](#): > > It really isn’t a problem for me at all. I just like inciting emotions from “victims”. It is fun to see the illogical points being made and even more fun to push buttons. Posting to get such responses is trolling, **GreyMatters** , which is against our rules. Do not do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/111 "2006-02-02T04:44:21Z")
Very quickly: [This](http://sympatico-msn-ca.com.com/Online+game+warns+gay-lesbian+guild/2100-1043_3-6033112.html?part=sympatico-msn-ca&tag=feed_2501&subj=ns_6033112) was on the front page of Sympatico today. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/112 "2006-02-02T05:27:34Z")
Hah, I’d forgotten about this: > [@](#): > > From **Kytheria** ’s link:\* > To Andrews, however, Blizzard’s position doesn’t hold water in a game that provides keyboard commands that allow characters to say things like, “Homogenized? No way, I like the ladies!” - That’s one of the built in emotes for the Tauren, the game’s minotaur race. Come to think of it, there’s also a goblin in, IIRC, Blackrock Spire named after the transsexual character from _Ace Ventura_. One more just for you, **Martin** : > [@](#): > > “I think it’s unfortunate that Blizzard has chosen to punish the very people who are discriminated against under their supposed ‘harassment policy,’” said Schultz. “ **Queer folk** (have) always been told to hide themselves and who they really are in the real world. I would hope that in these new online worlds, people wouldn’t be punished for being honest about themselves.” Bolding mine, natch. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/113 "2006-02-02T06:06:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Except that they have lots of references to “sexual issues” written into the game. How many quests revolve around avenging some NPC’s dead spouse? There’s a multi-part subquest in the human starting zone where the player faciltates a love affair between the son and daughter from two feuding farm families. Fuck’s sake, the female night elves practically do a pole dance when you type /dance! Blizzard has no problem with expressions of heterosexuality in their game at all. They _only_ have a problem with expressions of homosexuality. Yeah, it would make waves, but putting the onus for that on the people being harrased is spectacularly unjust, and about the most blatant display of moral cowardice imaginable in the context of an online video game. Those quests are PG or even G-rated, they’re talking about very “high fantasy” type love with no gratuitous sexuality at all. The quest log doesn’t say, “Deliver the invisibility potion so Harris can get some pussy tonight.” Blizzard does have problems with over-the-top expressions of heterosexuality. If someone is having cyber sex (heterosexual cyber sex) in a public channel that gets beat down. Hell, I know of people who were having /say cyber sex in the tram tunnels between SW and IF and got in trouble for it. And nothing about /dance is innately hetero/homo sexual, because /dance is a dance your character will do by themselves and both a heterosexual night elf could find the dancing night elf attractive as well as a lesbian night elf. In fact, hardly a week passes that I don’t see two female night elves (controlled by 12 year old boys more than likely) doing their /dance right in each other’s faces, with all gear removed on the auction house bridge in IF, so to say Blizzard is overly strict is going a bit too far. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/114 "2006-02-02T06:11:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Again, the guild in question was not “gay-only,” but “gay-friendly.” The only RL characteristic involved was that the members of the guild not be homophobes. My guild has that as standing policy in our main rules section we list right away that we don’t put up with discriminatory or bigoted comments dealing with gender, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation and et al. It’s primarily a common sense issue, we have no idea what the real life nature of our guild members are, and we don’t want people getting offended and leaving the guild. We also as a result of said policy tend to be more of an adult guild than a teenager guild, as we like seeing english text instead of haxx 1337 speak. If a guild advertised itself as having an “a non-discriminatory environment” that would be all-encompassing, wouldn’t cause controversy in the game world due to the gay issue, and wouldn’t get punished by Blizz. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/115 "2006-02-02T06:16:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Bolding mine, natch. Maybe it’s a regional thing. I’ve got a gay relative in my family and three gay guys work for me in my main office and none of them have ever used the word queer. Nor did any of the larger crowd of gays I know ever use the term back when I was younger and was in contact with more of them. The “we’re queer, we’re here” thing is something I’ve heard before, but was always presented in a fairly tongue in cheek manner so I didn’t consider that to be the same… ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/116 "2006-02-02T06:24:04Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > [match.com](http://match.com) Can’t think up your own material? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/117 "2006-02-02T07:39:44Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Very quickly: > > [This](http://sympatico-msn-ca.com.com/Online+game+warns+gay-lesbian+guild/2100-1043_3-6033112.html?part=sympatico-msn-ca&tag=feed_2501&subj=ns_6033112) was on the front page of Sympatico today. Well, Blizzard shouldn’t play it both ways. It’s one thing to stop what I see as flagrant and disruptive displays of sexuality in general, but to have a joke like the homogenized one mentioned makes Blizzard look worse in this, and they should probably consider removing that joke. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/118 "2006-02-02T07:56:36Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Maybe it’s a regional thing. I’ve got a gay relative in my family and three gay guys work for me in my main office and none of them have ever used the word queer. Nor did any of the larger crowd of gays I know ever use the term back when I was younger and was in contact with more of them. > > The “we’re queer, we’re here” thing is something I’ve heard before, but was always presented in a fairly tongue in cheek manner so I didn’t consider that to be the same… I identify as queer and queer is a widely used term around these parts both as a self-identification and as a term for the entire LGBTT\* community. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/119 "2006-02-02T08:17:13Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > I identify as queer and queer is a widely used term around these parts both as a self-identification and as a term for the entire LGBTT\* community. Well, like I said, it must be a regional thing. No one says soda around here, either. Also, what does the second T in LGBTT stand for? Is it Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, and Transgendered? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-blizzard-but-thanks-for-letting-us-know-where-were-not-wanted/342495/120 "2006-02-02T08:29:35Z")
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