# Fuck you, Bob55 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2004, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120 "2004-11-29T08:18:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/21 "2004-11-29T16:39:55Z")
The freshman says, “There is no God”. The sophomore says, “There is no Truth.” The junior says, “There is no Justice”. The senior says, “There are no Jobs”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/22 "2004-11-29T17:00:34Z")
Peripherally on the subject of [Wal\*Mart and education](http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-na-usc25nov25.story)… > [@](#): > > When they named a University of Missouri sports arena after their daughter, billionaire Wal-Mart heirs Nancy and Bill Laurie pronounced themselves “very proud” parents. > > But this week, they found themselves stripping Paige’s name from the building — after accusations that she paid a roommate $20,000 to do most of her course work at the University of Southern California. According to the girl who allegedly did all her coursework: > [@](#): > > “I rarely got a bad grade, but if I did, she’d say, ‘This was horrible.’ She was pretty picky,” Martinez said. “She was a very demanding, expect-the-best boss.” […] > > “I thought about quitting a lot of times, but I didn’t know how. I was dealing with someone really powerful.” So I suppose it’s possible for even folks that are highly motivated to pursue an education to be shamelessly exploited by venal Walmartians. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/23 "2004-11-29T17:29:00Z")
My degree in Sociology, with a strong emphasis on theory and statistics, didn’t prepare me for a career in commerical real estate, but it did give me a broad philosophical overview that enabled me to move forward as a reasonably well educated human being. I went through my share of dead end jobs in my youth, but when I got to sales I excelled. In the end (IMO) a hard working, educated and intelligent person in the US can achieve an excellent standard of living via being in sales or being an entrepreneur. You have to take some chances, but there’s no reason a hard working, aggressive individual in real estate sales can’t be making mid to high 5 figures or low 6 figures (or better) within 10 years of being out of college (or high school) if they choose to. If someone in difficult circumstances, and without immediate prospects, is going to insist on the the perfect fit of an occupation with their education before they get “serious”, they will get what they deserve. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/24 "2004-11-29T17:35:44Z")
> [@](#): > > But this week, they found themselves stripping Paige’s name from the building — after accusations that she paid a roommate $20,000 to do most of her course work at the University of Southern California. If Paige had ever listened to what her family had taught her, she’d have found a foreign exchange student who would have done the same job for half the price. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/25 "2004-11-29T20:25:14Z")
Give me a break, **even sven** , please. It is the individual that makes the difference, not the education. Sure, that degree might help with the first job, but after that, it’s all on you and your performance. Sounds like you are happy to sit in your own shit and whine about it, instead of getting off your ass and changing some things. I dropped out of college after 4 dismal semesters. I have a great job with bennies including health, 401(k) & childcare, and am overcompensated for what I do. I worked my ass off to get where I am, and I am reaping vast rewards. YMMV, and does, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/26 "2004-11-29T20:34:29Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I think some people are under the mistaken impression that “schooling” and “education” are synonyms. Others are under the equally mistaken impression that “money” and “success” are synonyms. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/27 "2004-11-29T20:40:49Z")
All I was trying to say is that working a dead end job isn’t a reflection that that person is too dumb to gather the basics of career advancement or too lazy to try. I can’t tell you how many time people have talked down to me because I’m working a crappy job. People in less jobs are not lesser people. It’s not okay to just insult them as a class because you assume you know what is going on with their lives. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/28 "2004-11-29T20:44:08Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Others are under the equally mistaken impression that “money” and “success” are synonyms. You did notice that you are living in the United States, right? This is the land founded by Calvinists in Massachussetts and greedy landgrabbers in Virginia. In this country, spiritual fulfillment and simple living can’t compare to the tinsel allure of da bling-bling, ya know what m’sayin’? ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/29 "2004-11-29T21:31:26Z")
> [@even sven](#): > > All I was trying to say is that working a dead end job isn’t a reflection that that person is too dumb to gather the basics of career advancement or too lazy to try. I can’t tell you how many time people have talked down to me because I’m working a crappy job. People in less jobs are not lesser people. It’s not okay to just insult them as a class because you assume you know what is going on with their lives. I have to agree with this statement. Some of the customers at a store I used to work at would treat all of us like brain-dead drones. I sometimes dreamed about how ironic it would be to see one of these snobby customers in one of my fancy gallery openings, see me there with my artwork, really like my work, and then recognize me (the artist whose work they are admiring) as the brain-dead schlub who waited on them in a store. Wait–I can’t be both things at once, can I? Their little brains would have exploded. As it was, I discovered a few times that people got sullen or a little annoyed when they found out that I was more than a brain-dead drone. It was like I had a lot of nerve to not be what they assumed I was. They were annoyed because I turned out to not be someone that they could look down upon with such ease. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/30 "2004-11-29T22:43:31Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Others are under the equally mistaken impression that “money” and “success” are synonyms. I agree completely, and as you can see, I did not use the word “success”. That was Yosemite. As far as I’m concerned, if a man is happy, then he is successful. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/31 "2004-11-29T23:19:05Z")
**Kalhoun:** \*College educations are commonplace anymore. They’re the norm. Yet, someone has to do the shitty jobs. Schooling has little to do with it. If everyone who was qualified for a high-paying job actually had a high-paying job, we’d have no one to buy cheap socks from at Walmart! \* Well, if a college education really isn’t a big help in getting a good job anymore, and if many high-achieving college graduates really do have to work shitty jobs because there aren’t enough good jobs for most of them, then I think colleges should stop trying to advertise their wares with the claim that college is the key to a good career. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/32 "2004-11-30T01:16:07Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > It is the individual that makes the difference, not the education. Sure, that degree might help with the first job, but after that, it’s all on you and your performance. And luck, too. Everyone forgets this, but a string of good or bad luck can determine a person’s projectory. At least for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/33 "2004-11-30T01:19:08Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > I certainly don’t have a problem with what **even** had to say, nor what he’s feeling. What I take issue with is this idea the younger crowd has of “Hey, I have a degree, gimme a good job!” Yeah, just because we worked hard and are qualified… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/34 "2004-11-30T01:52:07Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Big fucking deal. Do what my sister did. Earn a BA in English Lit. Then go to Scotland to earn your Master’s in publishing, come back to the US and take a job on the Barnes & Noble sales floor. > > Weak. Do me a favor, will ya **duffer**? Send your sister a Christmas card and sign it “Best wishes, koeeoaddi”\* \*B.A. English, 5 years Independent bookstore manager/buyer, 2 years of graduate school, 13 years Director of Technical Support for a desktop publishing software company. Now? Barnes and Noble, baby! I’m not complaining, either. It’s a _job_! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/35 "2004-11-30T02:05:38Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Everyone forgets this, but a string of good or bad luck can determine a person’s projectory. No wonder people forget this. A person typically only pays attention to his _trajectory_… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/36 "2004-11-30T02:08:13Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > No wonder people forget this. A person typically only pays attention to his _trajectory_… 😛 :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/37 "2004-12-02T21:18:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > **Kalhoun:** \*College educations are commonplace anymore. They’re the norm. Yet, someone has to do the shitty jobs. Schooling has little to do with it. If everyone who was qualified for a high-paying job actually had a high-paying job, we’d have no one to buy cheap socks from at Walmart! \* > > Well, if a college education really isn’t a big help in getting a good job anymore, and if many high-achieving college graduates really do have to work shitty jobs because there aren’t enough good jobs for most of them, then I think colleges should stop trying to advertise their wares with the claim that college is the key to a good career. I pretty much agree with you here. I think the bigger problem is that kids who go to college develop this sense of entitlement, and when everyone in the field has the same “advantage” as the next guy, there are going to be lots of disappointed little MBAs out there. My advice is (and always was): go to college because you will understand and appreciate the world around you better. You will be richer in spirit. You will be better at analytical thought. You will meet lots of different types of people. And you MIGHT get a good job out of the deal! But that’s me…the classic underachiever (on paper, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2004, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/38 "2004-12-03T20:33:06Z")
I’m sorry but you are all wrong. **Bob55** clearly said to stay in school. You need to be one of those losers that live with their parents and never leave college. Then one day they take one basic english course and end up with 18 different degrees and they become a professor at the school. So if you stay in school, you won’t work at Wal\*Mart. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/39 "2004-12-03T22:28:42Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The freshman says, “There is no God”. > The sophomore says, “There is no Truth.” > The junior says, “There is no Justice”. > The senior says, “There are no Jobs”. The physics major asks “Why does this behave this way?” The engineering major asks “How does this work and can I make it work better?” The liberal arts major asks “Do you want fries with that?” Some people treat school as a place to gain an education. Others use school to train for a vocation. Sometimes these two concepts overlap, sometimes they don’t. Make your choice with your eyes open and no one will question you. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120/40 "2004-12-04T01:57:51Z")
> [@even sven](#): > > -evensven, University of California Santa Cruz 2003 BA with Honors > > ``` > Super 8 Desk clerk, minimum wage > > ``` I’m not sure I understand this thread, but when I saw this, I immediately thought, “hmm, I wonder how many resumes a day even sven sends out.” You don’t have to tell me, but I’m curious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bob55/277120.md?page=3)