# Fuck you, Bush. Gitmo prisoners have rights! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692 "2008-06-12T14:42:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/41 "2008-06-13T03:47:01Z")
[QUOTE=Enfant Terrible] The Supreme Court did its job. Now let Congress do theirs. If it fails, let McCain be one of the toadies to vote against impeachment. It will not backfire, Democrats. Now is the time. [/QUOTE] The SC overrules an act of Congress, and you want Congress to impeach the President? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/42 "2008-06-13T03:50:27Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] OK to whom? Syrians? Natural law? You? Me? [/QUOTE] Not okay to things like the Geneva Convention, common human decency, ect. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/43 "2008-06-13T03:53:40Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] The SC overrules an act of Congress, and you want Congress to impeach the President? [/QUOTE] I’d wager crimes against humanity like torture would qualify as high crimes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/44 "2008-06-13T04:31:00Z")
Note that they have always had some rights. From the beginning the Int’l Red Cross has been in there, inspecting for violations of the Geneva Accords. Note that they found some and apparently the USA fixed those. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/45 "2008-06-13T04:38:48Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] I’d wager crimes against humanity like torture would qualify as high crimes. [/QUOTE] Got evidence that the President authorized actions that are illegal torture under the law? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/46 "2008-06-13T04:41:24Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] The SC overrules an act of Congress, and you want Congress to impeach the President? [/QUOTE] Well, Congress can’t impeach itself, so they’ll just have to make do, won’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/47 "2008-06-13T04:43:00Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] Not okay to things like the Geneva Convention, [/quote] Has Syria been violating the Geneva Convention? If so, and if you have any power to change that, go right ahead. > [@](#): > > common human decency, ect. What is that, specifically? What specifically is covered under common human decency? Is there effective remedy if common human decency is violated? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/48 "2008-06-13T04:51:36Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Got evidence that the President authorized actions that are illegal torture under the law? [/QUOTE] Just you wait. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25117953/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25117953/) In a stinging rebuke to President Bush’s anti-terror policies, a deeply divided Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign detainees held for years at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba have the right to appeal to U.S. civilian courts to challenge their indefinite imprisonment without charges. Guess what? Some of those prisoners are gonna do just that. That’s where the fun begins. Whose job is it to enforce the laws again? Come on, **2.5** , this is kid stuff. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/49 "2008-06-13T04:51:39Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Got evidence that the President authorized actions that are illegal torture under the law? [/QUOTE] Well the Constitution does guarantee things like trial by jury, no cruel or unusual punishment, ect. Tell me. What were the Canadian’s crimes, other then being from Arab county, that he should be punished with brutal torture? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/50 "2008-06-13T04:56:27Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Has Syria been violating the Geneva Convention? If so, and if you have any power to change that, go right ahead. What is that, specifically? What specifically is covered under common human decency? Is there effective remedy if common human decency is violated? [/QUOTE] Tell me. If I kidnap you to Syria, just like the bush admin has done, and with thw Syrian government’s blessing hook car batteries to your testicles till your voice fails from your screams of agony. Have I done anything wrong? If so what’s your remedy? ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/51 "2008-06-13T04:58:27Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] Well the Constitution does guarantee things like trial by jury, no cruel or unusual punishment, ect. Tell me. What were the Canadian’s crimes, other then being from Arab county, that he should be punished with brutal torture? [/QUOTE] He was also Syrian. He was sent back to the country of his citizenship. Are you claiming the Constitution was violated by what happened to Maher Arar? If so, can you be more specific? Are you claiming that a trial by jury was necessary to deport Arar? Are you claiming that deportation is cruel and\*unusual? - not or ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/52 "2008-06-13T04:58:31Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] Note that they have always had some rights. From the beginning the Int’l Red Cross has been in there, inspecting for violations of the Geneva Accords. Note that they found some and apparently the USA fixed those. [/QUOTE] Only the ones they happened to see, at best. And “fixed” according to who ? The torturers ? And they certainly didn’t “fix” those who were crippled, killed or driven insane. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/53 "2008-06-13T05:02:56Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] Tell me. If I kidnap you to Syria, just like the bush admin has done, and with thw Syrian government’s blessing hook car batteries to your testicles till your voice fails from your screams of agony. Have I done anything wrong? If so what’s your remedy? [/QUOTE] You would violate numerous state and federal laws. You might also be violating my constitutional rights if you are state actor (I don’t know if you are). I would have numerous tort claims against you that I could pursue myself. As to the criminal law violations, I would have to get a prosecutor to charge you. Do you have a cite that the Bush administration has kidnapped someone to Syria? Amar was legally deported, which is not kidnapping. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/54 "2008-06-13T05:04:30Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] He was also Syrian. He was sent back to the country of his citizenship. [/quote] you’re an idiot. He’s Canadian. Syria doesn’t let you renounce citizenship, but anyone who isn’t a rationalizing cunt stain can see he’s Canadian. He has a Canadian citizen and traveling on a Canadian passport. What fucking reason other then being a complete moron would you send him syria? > [@](#): > > Are you claiming the Constitution was violated by what happened to Maher Arar? If so, can you be more specific? Are you claiming that a trial by jury was necessary to deport Arar? Are you claiming that deportation is cruel and\*unusual? > > - not or He was beaten daily on behalf of the Bush the tyrant’s regime. Tell me if it wasn’t punishment what is torture? Btw Just so you don’t miss the responce on the previous page "Tell me. If I kidnap you to Syria, just like the bush admin has done, and with thw Syrian government’s blessing hook car batteries to your testicles till your voice fails from your screams of agony. Have I done anything wrong? If so what’s your remedy?" ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/55 "2008-06-13T05:06:13Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] You would violate numerous state and federal laws. You might also be violating my constitutional rights if you are state actor (I don’t know if you are). I would have numerous tort claims against you that I could pursue myself. As to the criminal law violations, I would have to get a prosecutor to charge you. Do you have a cite that the Bush administration has kidnapped someone to Syria? Amar was legally deported, which is not kidnapping. [/QUOTE] He was on lay over to Canada. His home. What kind of idiot are you? you’re nothing but mealy mouth troll. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/56 "2008-06-13T05:11:06Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] you’re an idiot. He’s Canadian. Syria doesn’t let you renounce citizenship, but anyone who isn’t a rationalizing cunt stain can see he’s Canadian. He has a Canadian citizen and traveling on a Canadian passport. What fucking reason other then being a complete moron would you send him syria? [/quote] I don’t know the reason and neither do you. My question for you, was it illegal to send him there? Was he legally a citizen of Syria? > [@](#): > > He was beaten daily on behalf of the Bush the tyrant’s regime. Tell me if it wasn’t punishment what is torture? Cite that any of the treatment he received in Syria was on behalf of Bush or his regime. As to it being torture, does Syria has a torture statute? Was there a torture law that reached the jurisdiction were he received his treatment? > [@](#): > > Btw > Just so you don’t miss the responce on the previous page > > "Tell me. If I kidnap you to Syria, just like the bush admin has done, and with thw Syrian government’s blessing hook car batteries to your testicles till your voice fails from your screams of agony. > > Have I done anything wrong? If so what’s your remedy?" Look up. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/57 "2008-06-13T05:12:31Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] He was on lay over to Canada. His home. [/quote] So what? He was Syrian, too. He was legally deported to Syria. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/58 "2008-06-13T05:14:26Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] You might also be violating my constitutional rights if you are state actor (I don’t know if you are). [/QUOTE] Since Bush falls under the definition of state actor, and only a daft incompetent fool would think the proper place to send a Canadian traveling on a Canadian passport to Syria I’ll take that as your admittance that Bush or those working on his tryant behalf violated the Constitution. Your mealy troll mouth can now kiss my winning ass good night. Fool. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/59 "2008-06-13T05:18:15Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] So what? He was Syrian, too. He was legally deported to Syria. [/QUOTE] To be beaten and tortured. Why can’t you see what’s wrong with that? Option 1: Canada where he’d not be beaten till he bleed with bare wires. Option 2: Syria, where he would be beaten while begged and pleaded for mercy between screams of agony daily. If Syria claims you’re a citizen would you be okay if Canada deported you to be brutalized daily? What is missing in your troll brain you can’t see why that’s wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692/60 "2008-06-13T05:21:01Z")
[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge] Since Bush falls under the definition of state actor, and only a daft incompetent fool would think the proper place to send a Canadian traveling on a Canadian passport to Syria I’ll take that as your admittance that Bush or those working on his tryant behalf violated the Constitution. [/quote] I’ll take that as your admittance that you cannot argue rationally. I am an American citizen who is legally in the United States. I have different rights that than a suspect attempting to enter the US (even just for a layover). Amar was not kidnapped. He was legally deported. Your hypothetical was that I was kidnapped. That issue is closed in your hypothetical. Kidnapping is an illegal act that when done by state actors violates the Constitution. But a legal deportation is not a kidnapping. If changed the law to whether I could be legally taken from my home and deported, then I would have no remedy as I would not be kidnapped. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-bush-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights/452692.md?page=4)