# Fuck you Cameron and all you stand for! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202 "2013-07-22T16:19:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tellyworth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@tellyworth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tellyworth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/41 "2013-07-23T00:15:50Z")
The big UK ISPs already [censor the internet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation). And there’s no opt-out. ---
**Author:** ![drew870mitchell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drew870mitchell/32/3946_2.png) [@drew870mitchell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drew870mitchell)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/42 "2013-07-23T00:18:49Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Fuck off with the Merry Olde England, makes you sound like a total arsehole. 🙂 Seriously, don’t do that (I don’t live in England). I was pulling your leg, any time I get to enjoy some delicious schadenfreude about the one developed country further down the road of dystopia than us, I will. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/43 "2013-07-23T00:21:51Z")
> [@tellyworth](#): > > The big UK ISPs already [censor the internet](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation). And there’s no opt-out. Well, I’ve long thought that the main problem European nations and the US had with Hitler was not his politics, but that he wasn’t _their_ fascist overlord, but I’d never say that out loud, so forget I thought it and think about Naked Kate Winslet. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/44 "2013-07-23T00:23:16Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Well, I’ve long thought that the main problem European nations and the US had with Hitler was not his politics, but that he wasn’t _their_ fascist overlord, but I’d never say that out loud, so forget I thought it and think about Naked Kate Winslet. Done. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/45 "2013-07-23T01:00:02Z")
See? Wasn’t that relaxing? What the world needs to do is follow Italy’s lead and have more attractive naked politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/46 "2013-07-23T01:45:57Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > It’s the dumb rhetoric around this that is trying to conflate “child porn” with “couple who like to check out x-art on a quiet Thursday night”\* that really grates. > > - possibly tmi 😉 _Not enough_ information. You didn’t even provide a link! 😛 > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :dubious: Why is **that** a thing worth protecting?! Because naive voters are easier marks? ---
**Author:** ![Virgil\_Tibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c4cdca/32.png) [@Virgil\_Tibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Virgil_Tibbs)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/47 "2013-07-23T15:03:21Z")
All politics, nothing to do with ‘protecting children’. Parents should look after their own bloody kids. Presumably we’re locking up library books that have swear words or naughty pictures in them, in case a wandering child should happen upon them while mummy’s reading _Hello_? It’s the same with the criminalisation of khat and the whole austerity mess. Votes and ideology explain it all. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/48 "2013-07-23T15:29:43Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > So, what did Kirk do now? Apparently he became president of England on a vow to drive porn into the sea or something. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/49 "2013-07-23T19:22:23Z")
Meh. Just meh. First time I hit adult site blocking was when I switched my phone carrier, and was trying to place a bet online. I got a popup, saying the account owner had to authorise access to sites, and a link for callback. 30 seconds later call came in, I answered a couple of account verification questions, and the bar was lifted. Shame really, if they’d taken 2 minutes more I would have missed betting on a losing horse. Your ISP already knows what you browse, and doesn’t care. All this does is stop default access to all adult sites (gambling, porn, whatever) which at a time when most teenagers have a smartphone isn’t that bad an idea. Of course it’s not even close to 100% effective. I’m damned if I could think of any measure that would be, short of a great firewall of china style system. But it’s hardly censoring your personal viewing. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/50 "2013-07-23T20:16:39Z")
So basically, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is full of shitty parents/guardians who cannot be trusted to properly supervise their offspring? Has the Daily Mail blamed illegal immigrants yet? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/51 "2013-07-23T20:54:10Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > So basically, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is full of shitty parents/guardians who cannot be trusted to properly supervise their offspring? Very good. Of course that logic applies equally to anywhere that applies access locking to tv content, or similar. Which is pretty much everywhere. If you want to forego the hyperbole, a pretty decent article on it can be found here: > **[PHWOAR! Huh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing, Prime Minister](https://www.theregister.com/2013/07/23/content_filtering/)** > > Why I BACK Cameron's War on Porn, by Reg chap Bill Ray > [@](#): > > Everyone knows one should educate one’s children, teach them proportional reactions and try to prepare them for a time when one won’t be around to help them deal with the world, but just as we feel confident sitting them in front of the TV before nine so we should be able to log them onto the internet without having to look over their shoulder the whole time (which limits their freedom in other ways, and becomes impractical as the number of children increases). Right now that’s technically possible, but too complicated for millions of users. > > An opt-in scheme would be better, just as TalkTalk already offers, but the technically illiterate wouldn’t know to select it, so by forcing everyone to make a decision the new scheme will force those who opt out to think about what they’re doing. In short, this new step will not censor you, reveals nothing compared to what your ISP already knows, and will help a little to prevent inappropriate access to adult sites. I really can’t see much justification for anguish. ---
**Author:** ![drew870mitchell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drew870mitchell/32/3946_2.png) [@drew870mitchell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drew870mitchell)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/52 "2013-07-23T21:50:58Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > I really can’t see much justification for anguish. Nonpornographic sites will inevitably be accidentally blocked, killing their business. Lists of the households that opt out of censoring will be compiled and inevitably leaked. Technically literate teenagers (and all teenagers motivated to access pornography will eventually become technically literate) will continue to have unfettered access to pornography, and it will be moved to avenues that are harder for parents to police. Honestly, it’s not the end of society, or the beginning of dystopia, or the start to a slippery slope. It’s just really stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/53 "2013-07-24T09:57:32Z")
> [@drew870mitchell](#): > > Technically literate teenagers (and all teenagers motivated to access pornography will eventually become technically literate) will continue to have unfettered access to pornography, and it will be moved to avenues that are harder for parents to police. I have no illusions that this will prevent technically literate people being able to access whatever they want. But that’s not the intent. I was sitting with my daughter the other day, watching her use a tablet to browse a website with a set of games for pre-teens. Make your own princess, horse grooming, that sort of junk. Out of interest when I took the tablet off her, I checked how many links I had to click to get to adult content, in a web style version of degrees of separation. 4 links. THink the first one was to a teen game site, from that to a dating site, that to an adult friend finder style site. For me, no problem. I’m more than happy to setup various levels of content control at browser, device, router, ISP preference, etc. But I’ve worked in IT for 20 years. If you’re not au fait with that sort of config, then the only option is to not let a small child use the web unless you sit and watch their every click. So will it stop teenagers watching porn? No. Good thing too, teenagers like porn, and I’m firmly in the “porn did me no harm” camp. But would porn be suitable for a young pre-teen? I don’t think so, so this seems like a good step to me. Easy to circumvent, doesn’t tell your ISP anything they didn’t already know about your viewing habits, but will help prevent accidental clicks by youngsters. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/54 "2013-07-25T17:31:51Z")
Ye Merry Olde Enlgand is acting a right pisser eh? Well carry on and cheerio. ---
**Author:** ![drew870mitchell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drew870mitchell/32/3946_2.png) [@drew870mitchell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drew870mitchell)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/55 "2013-07-28T17:29:36Z")
[http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall](http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall) > [@](#): > > As well as pornography, users may automatically be opted in to blocks on “violent material”, “extremist related content”, “anorexia and eating disorder websites” and “suicide related websites”, “alcohol” and “smoking”. But the list doesn’t stop there. It even extends to blocking “web forums” and “esoteric material”, whatever that is. “Web blocking circumvention tools” is also included, of course. > **[Sleepwalking into censorship](https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/sleepwalking-into-censorship/)** > > The essential detail is that they will assume you want filters enabled across a wide range of content, and unless you un-tick the option, network filters will be enabled. > [@](#): > > (2) Screen two [if you have left the box ticked] > > “Parental controls” > > Do you want to block > > ☑ pornography > ☑ violent material > ☑ extremist and terrorist related content > ☑ anorexia and eating disorder websites > ☑ suicide related websites > ☑ alcohol > ☑ smoking > ☑ web forums > ☑ esoteric material > ☑ web blocking circumvention tools > > You can opt back in at any time ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202/56 "2013-07-28T17:46:24Z")
Censorship and mind control is typical of conservatives [**the world over**](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2013/07/23/mb-joy-smith-anti-porn-bill-winnipeg.html). And they’re nothing if not jumping on bandwagons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-cameron-and-all-you-stand-for/664202.md?page=2)