# Fuck you, Christian Evangelists! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148 "2003-06-24T22:01:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/201 "2003-06-30T02:05:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by P.T. Smegma \* > \*\*Speaking for myself, I want the zealots, whether they be religious or political, to turn it down a few notches. Not necessarily shut up, but, damn! sometimes it gets a little thick, y’know? \*\* Testify! 😃 Oh, and **His** , For the most part, I would focus on the Christians shutting up. This is because, in my personal experience, they tend to be the most strident and annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/202 "2003-06-30T02:25:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\* I **do not** worship a demon. I worship the God of the Bible and I believe what He says about salvation and about the hot issue of homosexuality and anything else. \*\* I don’t dispute that you worship a god of the Bible. But your interpretation of it makes that god into a demon. > [@](#): > > \*\* > The God I worship isn’t evil just because you don’t happen to like what he says about something, **Ben**. \*\* The demon you worship is evil because it orders people to commit rape and genocide. > [@](#): > > \*\* Should I believe men or God? Your calling my Lord evil and a demon reminds of of when the religious leaders of Jesus’ day said he was casting out demons by Beelzebub, the prince of the devils. In other word, He was accused of casting demons out by Satan’s power. \*\* Kind of like how your hero, Jack Chick, falsely accuses Catholics of worshipping Isis? You see, there’s a difference here. I believe that you worship a demon. We agree on the basic facts (i.e., you base your worship on the Bible,) but I interpret them differently than you do, because I believe that genocide is always evil, whereas you believe that natural sexuality is evil. Jack Chick says that Catholics worship Isis. They don’t. Period. He’s just lying. But somehow, you don’t have a problem with Jack Chick. Like I said, you can dish it out, but you can’t take it. A lot of evangelicals can dish out nasty lies about other religions, but they can’t take the idea that someone might have a low opinion of evangelical Christianity, even if that opinion is based in the facts. > [@](#): > > \*\ ***Ben** , this is just my humble opinion, but I think you should be careful about calling the God of the Bible evil and a demon because that’s who I worship, regardless of your opinion. Of course, you’re free to continue to call Him whatever you wish, it won’t make it true. \*\* Unlike you, I can actually provide an _argument_ to back up my claims. You, on the other hand, aren’t doing much of anything other than declaring that you don’t worship a demon because the deity you worship is worshipped by you. > [@](#): > > \*\* Both that issue and witchcraft are condemned by God in both old and new Testaments. These are moral things, why wouldn’t they still be valid? \*\* When a religion claims that homosexuality is bad, but genocide can be good, how can it be anything _but_ demon worship? So, His4Ever, did you read that tract I gave you? How many times do I have to ask you before I get a simple yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/203 "2003-06-30T02:39:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben \* > \*\*…So, His4Ever, did you read that tract I gave you? How many times do I have to ask you before I get a simple yes or no? \*\* I would love to read it. Did I miss the link? Is it available on line? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/204 "2003-06-30T12:11:31Z")
I vaguely recall looking at something but I don’t know if it was yours or someone else’s. I didn’t like it, I remember that. Give me the link again, if you want. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/205 "2003-06-30T16:09:04Z")
**His** , Nothing is sadder than someone vehemently arguing a point with absolutely no knowledge of the counterpoint. It makes you appear ignorant and not worth listening to. Just a little advice. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/206 "2003-06-30T19:24:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*I vaguely recall looking at something but I don’t know if it was yours or someone else’s. I didn’t like it, I remember that. Give me the link again, if you want. \*\* [http://psyche11.home.mindspring.com/ben/WritingIndex.htm](http://psyche11.home.mindspring.com/ben/WritingIndex.htm) It’s the one entitled “Life in Our Anti-Christian America.” What didn’t you like about it? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/207 "2003-06-30T23:20:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben \* > \*\*They’re right- you really _are_ different from the other fundamentalists! > > 😉 \*\* Yes. Misunderstood, really. I am the only non republican fundie I know of. As for Guin having sex, why should I care? If God cares, He’ll tell her (or smite her or something, but not til she’s done).😉 Same with gays, they aren’t hurting me, its up to God to smite them if He wants to. I am not saying He wants to, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/208 "2003-07-01T12:41:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben \* > \*\*[http://psyche11.home.mindspring.com/ben/WritingIndex.htm](http://psyche11.home.mindspring.com/ben/WritingIndex.htm) > > It’s the one entitled “Life in Our Anti-Christian America.” > > What didn’t you like about it? \*\* That’s not the one I saw. I’m not really sure what to make of it. Maybe someone can explain it to me. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/209 "2003-07-01T15:02:56Z")
Do you just not understand it, or the points it makes? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/210 "2003-07-01T19:26:07Z")
I’m not for sure. Is it saying that we don’t really live in a Christian nation, which I could have told you that. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/211 "2003-07-01T20:09:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*I’m not for sure. Is it saying that we don’t really live in a Christian nation, which I could have told you that. \*\* Uh, no, **His** , it’s _irony_\*. The pamphlet is making the argument that actually we live in a country dominated by Christians. Look at the second panel with George Bush. The caption says, “During the 2000 Presidential campaign, George W. Bush was asked which thinker had infleunced him the most. He unhesitatingly replied, ‘Friedrich Nietzsche.’” Actually, **His** , Bush’s answer was, “Jesus Christ.” In the third panel, the caption talks about Pat Robertson’s “Atheist Alliance” and Senators Inhofe and Miller would never appoint a Christian to the Supreme Court. In reality, Pat Robertson founded the Christian Coalition and the two Senators said they would never appoint an atheist to the Supreme Court. The fourth panel quotes the Pledge of Allegiance as saying, “one nation without God” when in reality it says, one nation under God. The entire comic is meant to depict a reverse world where atheists run things the exact way that Christians dominate our culture and politics in reality. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/212 "2003-07-01T22:19:47Z")
Okay, I see. Thx. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/213 "2003-07-01T23:57:39Z")
I’m curious- what confused you about it? Did you believe that Bush had actually named Nietzsche? ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/214 "2003-07-02T01:31:41Z")
I have a sneaking suspicion someone is “playing dumb” here. **His** : surely you can’t be _this_ thick? Do you have any opinion on the tract? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/215 "2003-07-02T04:49:39Z")
This thread is absolute proof that zealouts are equally bad no matter what the belief system. Let’s take **Ben** for example. After reading an OP criticizing a zealous fundamentalist christian view, ie. > [@](#): > > \*\*the notion that followers of Islam, Buddhism, and/or Hinduism are “enslaved” by their beliefs, and by extension, Satan. \*\*He posts the following: > [@](#): > > \*\*Let’s face it- when it comes to fundamentalist Christianity, we’re dealing with actual members of a demonic brainwashing cult. Can you really expect any better of them? \*\*These statements are fundamenatally the same. A few pages later he exhibits the same character flaw by claiming **his4ever** worships a demon - which is fundamentally the same as Jack Chick’s ridiculous claims regarding Catholicism. **Ben** , you are hypocrit who has behaved exactly as those you rail against. Examine yourself and what you have said, because you have _a lot_ of growing to do. For now though, you and the fundies fucking deserve each other. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/216 "2003-07-02T05:40:36Z")
Actually, MWAG, I’ve already addressed your point. Would you care to respond? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/217 "2003-07-02T06:18:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben \* > \*\*Actually, MWAG, I’ve already addressed your point. Would you care to respond? \*\* ??? That was my first post in this thread. As far as I can tell, you have not addressed your hypocrisy on a previous page. Ah wait, you mean the Jack Chick / Catholicism thing. OK, I guess you did address that part - sort of. I wasn’t thinking about Isis when I wrote that, but no matter. The context makes it it sound like I was, and the Chick comparison was tangential to my point anyway. I’d be more than happy to abandon it. The important part of my post was not that single sentence, but the two statements I quoted. I even put them in bold for you, yet you still seem to have glossed over it. How about I spell it out in red this time? **Your claim that fundamental Christianity is a “demonic brainwashing cult” is _the exact same_ as the fundie claim that Muslims are enslaved by Satanic beliefs.** That’s the hypocrisy I wanted you to look at. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/218 "2003-07-02T06:51:32Z")
This point was already raised by someone else, and I already addressed it. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/219 "2003-07-02T07:04:23Z")
Where? I’m sorry if I sounded overly crass in my previous points, but with all do respect, I don’t think you ever _did_ address that apparent piece of hypocrisy. At least not in this thread. If for some reason I missed it on my fourth read-through, could you please point it out? I’m curious as to how you justify it. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/220 "2003-07-02T07:15:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben \* > \*\* > > “All Muslims are terrorists, therefore Allah is a demon.” > > “Christianity is the only true religion, therefore the Hindu gods are demons.” > > “Wiccans are Satanists, therefore they all worship demons.” > > “Some Christians believe in a deity named ‘Jesus’ who tortures people for eternity, despite the fact that they love him with all their hearts, simply for making an honest mistake. They also believe that Jesus ordered rape and genocide in the past. Rape, genocide, and arbitrary, eternal torture are evil. Since the word ‘demon’ is defined as ‘an evil, supernatural entity’, Christians who worship this ‘Jesus’ are demon-worshippers. However, plenty of Christians have a radically different version of ‘Jesus’ which is not demonic.” > > Do you really think all those statements are equivalent? It seems to me that the only reason people don’t consider fundamentalist Christianity, as it is conceived by most FC’s, to be a demonic brainwashing cult is because Christianity is too fashionable. > \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148.md?page=12)