# Fuck you, Christian Evangelists! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148 "2003-06-24T22:01:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/381 "2003-07-05T19:37:16Z")
its been done before. What would be the point? unless you want to get general and talk about “fundies”. ---
**Author:** ![Lilairen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lilairen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilairen)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/382 "2003-07-05T19:37:55Z")
That god commands his people to love him with all their minds; I would say that those who do _not_ question, do not think, do not reason – those sin against his word and command. I see no possible virtue in such a belief; it is not somehow rendered pure through thoughtlessness. I’m not all that sure that a god so fond of edgeplay would consider playing it safe to be especially virtuous, either, but that’s just going on my impression of scripture. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/383 "2003-07-05T20:31:23Z")
People used to sit around Jesus all the time and ask him questions constantly! When the Apostles complained about it, he told them what they could do with themselves (well, a bit more politely, but you get the idea.) The problem is, **His** is quick to jump in and start something she KNOWS will on people’s nerves, but then she turns and runs, whining about how we persecute her. I think subconsciously, she sees herself as a true martyr for Christ-that she’s “picked on” for her faith, when really, it’s all about her attitude. ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/384 "2003-07-05T20:55:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zoe \* > \*\*His4Ever, I didn’t expect Diamond Jersey to answer my questions, but I thought you might give it a try. \*\* I’m sorry oeZ, I must have missed your questions to me. What page were they on? Sometimes, I don’t read these things for awhile, and miss stuff. Thanks, JD > [@](#): > > \*\* > Jersey: Are you illiterate? \*\* yes, how else would I be able to type or respond. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > \*\* I don’t have any official position on anytyhing. I am not an organization. The answer to your query is in the link you posted. \*\* So you don’t have an official position on this, but my answer is in my link. ohhhkaay. So I would gather that means that you believe what the link from the LDS website says, and you just don’t want to say it offically on SD, or that you, personally, don’t believe what the link says, but this is what the LDS believe. I was under the inpression that you were Mormon, unless being Mormon means you can hold any belief you want. Love, the bitch 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dangermom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@dangermom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dangermom)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/385 "2003-07-05T20:59:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh, and BTW, all that page seems to be saying, Jersey, is that if you consider God the Father, the creator of everyone, all the angels and saints, then yeah, TECHNICALLY, he can be called the “father” of Satan. > > But that just means he can also be the father of Stan. > > And since God is OUR Father, and Christ’s, wouldn’t that make Christ OUR brother? Sort of? It’s just playing with semantics, that’s all. > > Did I get that right, Monty? I was always taught that God was everyone’s Father. Guin, you got it sorta right, but we do mean it in a fairly literal and realistic sense, not just in a semantic way. We are all part of the same family, members of the same species–angels (fallen or not), people, etc. This isn’t really the place to discuss the details, though; another thread or email would be better. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/386 "2003-07-05T21:27:00Z")
Jersey, You forgot to inlcude the rest of your “sig” there: “Love, the pretentious clairvoyant makingcrapuponthespot bitch.” Guin: genie filled in the rest of what I should’ve said. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/387 "2003-07-05T22:24:32Z")
The old “Satan is Jesus’s spirit brother” thing that came up, **genie** and **Monty** leads me to wonder about something: “Traditional” (i.e., non-Mormon) belief defines there to be two sapient species capable of moral judgment and thus of sinning: angels and humanity. The former are comprised wholly of spirit; the lattr are a composite of spirit, soul, and body. They are carefully distinguished, and while there are some angels who have not sinned, and constitute the heavenly choirs, Satan and his demons are angels that have. Thanks to the Fall, there are no humans who have not entered into sin, save Jesus (who is also God the Son), and according to some interpretations of Catholic doctrine his Mother the Virgin Mary. I was under the impression that LDS doctrine retained this distinction, and that mistaken references to “Archangel Moroni” showing Joseph Smith the Plates would be swiftly corrected to identifying Moroni as a Resurrected Personage. Jesus would on this take be the first and prototypical Resurrected Personage, whose Atonement made it possible for anyone else to be one. Satan would be altogether distinct, as a fallen archangel, carefully distinguished from humanity, Resurrected or not. These distinctions would make the passage **Jersey Diamond** found and **genie** clarified almost moot – equivalent to saying that **lel** and the pine tree in my front yard have kinship in that they are both living things – true in essence, but almost worthless to point out in most contexts. Would one of you be willing to clarify where my misunderstanding in these questions lies, from the POV of LDS beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![dangermom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@dangermom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dangermom)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2003, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/388 "2003-07-05T22:49:36Z")
Wow, Poly, that is very careful and clear. I would be very willing to tackle this, but I’m not sure I want to do it in on this thread, in the Pit. If you don’t mind, I’ll move the discussion to GD. I’ll post the link when I finish. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/389 "2003-07-06T00:08:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > \*\* > > \>I sincerely hope this isn’t designed to start another flame. I’m being asked too many questions by people and I’m too wore out to try and answer everyone but I’ll try to answer some of yours to the best of my ability. > > 1. **His4Ever** , I have said that I do not believe you are intentionally purveying evil, and I reaffirm that. But, since things have come to this head, I respectfully ask that you answer, here, a series of questions: > > A. Do you think that I am involved in apostasy? > > \>_I’m not totally sure on that._ > > \>B. Do you think that I am spreading false teachings? > > \>_About some things, yes._ > > C. Do you accept the idea that I am attempting to follow the commands of Jesus Christ as they are set forth in the Bible? > > \>_Yes, I think so, but perhaps not the whole counsel of \>Scripture.\>_ > > D. Do you think that my motivation in saying what I do about Christianity is to “tickle people’s ears with what they want to hear”? > > \>_I don’t know your heart so I hesitate to say what your \>motives are. I can only say that sometimes it seems that you’re \>telling people what they want to hear in order to remain \>popular and well liked._ > > E. Do you think that my political views are “verging on treason”? > > \>_My mind’s kind of blank, I don’t recall your political views. Are \>you speaking of the legalization of certain things?_ \*\* And please, I’m not going to get involved in trying to answer a bunch of angry questions as a result of my answers to **Poly’s** questions to me. I’ve tried to answer the best I can my true feelings on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/390 "2003-07-06T00:12:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Didn’t you have something better to do, His4Ever? \*\* Don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![GayIthacan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/db5fbb/32.png) [@GayIthacan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GayIthacan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/391 "2003-07-06T00:24:50Z")
This thread has been a revelation [;)] to me. It is a smorgasboard of hatred, loathing, fear, disgust, emotional turmoil, intellectual relativism, moral uncertainty, psychological gamesmanship - in short, it is almost exactly like Friday night at our local gay bar… But seriously, I have a simple question that NO ONE has ever been able to answer to my satisfaction - and this is the thread into which to gingerly toss this lit cherry bomb, as it were - so here goes: Exactly when did the status of MY faith (or lack of it) become the business of ANYONE else? If I am interested in pursuing different belief systems and religious faiths, are there not facilities and sources that I can consult WHEN I AM GOOD AND READY? Are prosyletizers so arrogant that they assume they know better than I do when and to what extent I am ready for a philosophical ‘overhaul’. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/392 "2003-07-06T00:42:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Siege \* > \*\*OK, **Someone’s4Ever** , I’ll keep it simple. > [ul][li]When you say a group of people is condemned does that include the individuals within that group?[/li]A yes or no will suffice to this answer. > [li]Why do you continue to say things about the Catholic and Mormon faiths which you have been told repeatedly are factually incorrect by current followers of those faiths?[/li][li]Do you or do you not think that there may be people who call themselved Baptists or other forms of Fundamentalist Christians who lack a personal relationship with Christ?[/li][li]If the answer to that last question is “Yes”, is it as reasonable to say Baptists or Fundamentalists are not Christians? If no, why is it reasonable to say Catholics or Mormons are not Christians?[/li][li]In what way has your faith transformed your life?[/li][li]Would you choose to become a Christian based what you have posted here? Why or why not?[/li][li]When you listed the sins referred to in 1 Corinthians 6:11, why did you omit slander? [/li][li]Are you aware that your actions in this thread meet the definition of slander?[/li]While we’re on the subject of 1 Corinthians, > [li]How do you feel about 1 Corinthians 7:39-40? Does it apply to you?[/li] > Most importantly: > [li]Who do you serve?[/ul][/li]I’ll repeat the paragraph which applies to that question from yesterday’s post, changing the words to reflect your statement that “I haven’t condemned anyone person, I don’t have that right.” > > You may not condemn individuals, but you are in the habit of condemning whole groups of people without taking the trouble to find out anything about them. > > I admit you’ve been asked a lot of questions here, and I don’t expect you to answer all of mine. I _do_ want an answer to “Who do you serve?” because right now, I genuinely don’t know your answer to that one. Some of the questions **Polycarp** and I have asked you are hard, and they will require > thought. However, if you are unwilling to put the effort required into answering them, what does that say of how highly you value your faith? > > CJ \*\* I’m going to try to answer a few of your questions. I feel that I’m being bombarded with too many. So what I feel I can answer I’ll try to answer. I may not address everything. I don’t think I can answer your first question about condemning groups of people with a yes or no. I’m not attempting to condemn people but to compare their teachings and doctrines with scripture, whether or not I do a good job of it which I probably don’t. Just because individuals in other religions say they don’t believe certain things doesn’t necessarily mean that their religion or some in their religion doesn’t teach those things. Yes, I think there are people who are in many churches who lack personal relationship with Christ. I can say that as a whole Baptists or whatever are Christians because of the teachings and doctrines of their church. If other religions have teachings and doctrines contrary to scripture, then many of us feel that we can and should point out the false teachings. I may not be explaining this well. My faith has transformed me in that once I was lost but now I’m found. My eternal destiny has changed. I belong to Christ and look forward to His return and desire that others that are lost come to know Him. I struggle in my daily life as do many other Christians. I can’t say whether or not I’d become a Christian based on what I’ve posted here. I very well might, but I can’t say because I’m not in that situation. I wasn’t aware I’d omitted anything. I quoted from the KJV. If I left out part of a verse, it was unintentional. No, I’m not aware that my actions meet the definition of slander. If it’s considered slander to give an opinion about a religion and it’s views, then I’m sure I’m guilty in a lot of people’s eyes. Especially since I’ve probably not used the right words to explain or whatever. But I believe that no matter how I try to say something, it’s going to be flamed. That scripture applies to me as well as all of us. I’ve asked forgiveness for it. I serve or am trying to serve the Lord. What that means to you I’m sure isn’t the same as it is to me. I’ve had enough questions, please. Whatever I say, however much I try to answer some of them, it’s not going to be accepted probably and just bring another deluge of questions that I won’t be able to answer to everyone’s satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/393 "2003-07-06T01:01:42Z")
How about answering just one, then, His4Ever? How many books comprise the volume known as The Book of Mormon? ---
**Author:** ![dangermom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@dangermom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dangermom)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/394 "2003-07-06T01:10:55Z")
**Polycarp** , and **Guinastasia** too, [here’s the new thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=195587). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/395 "2003-07-06T01:12:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GayIthacan \* > \*\*This thread has been a revelation [;)] to me. It is a smorgasboard of hatred, loathing, fear, disgust, emotional turmoil, intellectual relativism, moral uncertainty, psychological gamesmanship - in short, it is almost exactly like Friday night at our local gay bar… > > But seriously, I have a simple question that NO ONE has ever been able to answer to my satisfaction - and this is the thread into which to gingerly toss this lit cherry bomb, as it were - so here goes: > > Exactly when did the status of MY faith (or lack of it) become the business of ANYONE else? If I am interested in pursuing different belief systems and religious faiths, are there not facilities and sources that I can consult WHEN I AM GOOD AND READY? Are prosyletizers so arrogant that they assume they know better than I do when and to what extent I am ready for a philosophical ‘overhaul’. \*\* Joseph Campbell theorized that evangelizers are driven by their own cognitive dissonance. The subconscious mind will not accept irrational beliefs, regardless of what people try to tell themselves on a superficial level. Deep down inside, fundies like **H4E** _know_ they’re full of shit. At the same time, they have a tremendous emotional investment in the belief system they have chosen. Consciously they’re telling themselves “I DO believe in fairies. I DO believe in fairies…” But their SUBconscious minds are going :rolleyes: This creates a great inner tension and their anxiety is aggravated by the existence of other people who don’t believe what they believe, especially when sometimes those people can PROVE that certain beliefs are not true (evolution, for instance). So they seek to relieve this tension by persuading other people to believe what they believe. It doesn’t really work , though. For one thing it’s rarely successful and even when it is it still doesn’t relieve any tension or change subconscious doubt. Fundie: Hey, Subby, I convinced Joe Mark to convert to Christianity. He used to be an atheist. That really proves there’s something to this stuff, huh? Subconscious mind: :rolleyes: They try to couch it in terms of “concern” for other people’s souls but really it’s about their own emotional bullshit. Please note that I don’t mean this to apply to all people of faith. I’m just referring to those who define their faith purely in terms of converting others (to the exclusion of actually practicing stuff like charity and compassion), who are afraid to learn about other beliefs or even associate with practitioners of other traditions, and who hold _demonstrably_ irrational beliefs (believing in God is not irrational. Believing in Noah’s flood is irrational). Faith and reason can go hand in hand and each can guide the other. People who are not afraid of reason, and are not afraid to adjust their faith to accomodate reason, are generally not the ones who feel the need to proselytize. People who subjugate reason to faith are in a constant state of tension because reason is always in their faces, taunting them wherever they go. It drives them crazy, and the only way they think they can fix it is by making everyone else crazy too. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/396 "2003-07-06T01:13:51Z")
**His4Ever** is new to the idea of checking sources and not just quoting what she’s been told. Lately, it had seemed that she was responding to what I was telling her about doing her own research instead of simply taking Christian glurge and urban legends at face value. Instead of firing a barrage of questions at her, which has to be confusing and difficult for her to handle, maybe we should ask her to investigate the Book of Mormon for herself and come up with some inconsistencies with mainstream Christian theology (Jah knows there are enough with history, archeology, linguistics, and anthropology). **His** needs to learn to read primary sources for herself, instead od relying on other people to do it for her. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/397 "2003-07-06T01:34:53Z")
Good call, **gobear**. Thanks, **genie**. I think I know what you mean, but by semantics, I mean that people who have an anti-Mormon agenda try to pull it as you saying Christ and Satan are brothers-oh my god!!! I guess it’s like trying to explain Transubstantiation (damn, that’s a hard word to spell!), or the Immaculate Conception. I know what it means, but it’s hard to explain. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/398 "2003-07-06T01:45:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > Just because individuals in other religions say they don’t believe certain things doesn’t necessarily mean that their religion or some in their religion doesn’t teach those things. So, instead of going by what the people who actually belong to the faith say, you go with what people with an agenda against that faith have to say? Your basic premise, which you finally admit, is that you believe we don’t know our own belief systems, that we are the liars here about our beliefs. > [@](#): > > I’ve had enough questions, please. TDB. You’ve posted numerous erroneous assertions on this board. It’s your problem that you’ve cut & pasted those assertions from elsewhere (without, I might add, attributing the actual sources of them) and just chucked them up here without checking their veracity for yourself. Quite a few people who have negative opinions of the groups you’ve targeted here have told you often that your statements are mistaken. > [@](#): > > Whatever I say, however much I try to answer some of them, it’s not going to be accepted probably and just bring another deluge of questions that I won’t be able to answer to everyone’s satisfaction. You know why you can’t answer those questions to anyone’s satisfaction? It’s because you haven’t done any research: the stuff you’ve posted is someone else’s work. You haven’t done any studying of the matter: the stuff you’ve posted is someone else’s work. You haven’t compared the assertions you’ve posted with anything: the stuff you’ve posted is someone else’s work. In other words: you have elevated mistaken hate speech sites to the same caliber of the Holy Bible. You believe what’s on those sites just like it’s Scripture itself. In short: you have added to the Bible. Do you want to know why I asked you twice so far in this thread how many books are in the Book of Mormon, or why I asked you what are the names of those books? It’s something you would know had you actually gone to, as Guin tried (in vain) to explain to you, the primary source of what you’re condemning. GET THIS: I don’t care if you condemn my church, I don’t care if you condemn Islam, I don’t care if you condemn Buddhism. I care if you do it dishonestly or ignorantly. Your entire behaviour on this site is the epitome of dishonesty and ignorance. Heck, you told me above you got quotes from primary sources. You did not. You lifted those quotes from a secondary source. Feel free to check [http://sja.ucdavis.edu/avoid.htm](http://sja.ucdavis.edu/avoid.htm) for what the university I attend has to say about plagiarism. Academia takes that stuff seriously: _If I were to do on my schoolwork what you do here, I could get expelled._ Even worse, in the field for which I’m studying, the taint of plagiarism would most likely destroy any chance I have of working in that field even if I weren’t expelled. Of more import to this issue on this site is what the [FAQ - guidelines for posting at the SDMB](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106617) say about the issue: [ul]_Arnold Winkelried at 05-08-2002 04:23 PM {California time})_ Only quote directly in very rare circumstances. Instead of repeating a source word-for-word, read the article, attempt to understand it, and rephrase what it says in your own words. Again, include a link to the source if the source is available online. Otherwise indicate a reference to the source (e.g. Science News, issue x, pages yy-zz).[/ul] By posting what you post and in the manner you post it, you have set yourself up as an authority on a number of things. If that were true, you should have no problem answering the “deluge” of questions your postings engender–they are very easy questions for an expert. Your audience here is not a group of sheep sitting on their hands willing to accept what you say is Gospel. They are very inquisitive and are not motivated by hate, except for the odd handful. Those that are motivated by hate get banned quickly. Your audience here already knows what the Bible says. You say your motivation is love. I see contrary evidence: the corpus of your postings here. Your motivation, IMHO, is pride and hate. [on preview] gobear: That’s her tough luck. She’s a member of this site and that means she’s agreed to follow the rules. Perhaps a better expression would be that she’s elected to play with the grownups this time and is upset she’s getting grownup responses. Guin: I think I understand the concept of Transubstantiation, and I’m sure you know that I don’t agree with it. What I don’t understand is the Nicene Creed, the Apostles Creed, and the Athanasian (sp?) Creed. I grew up reciting the first two; I didn’t understand them then and I don’t understand them now. Do you see me condemning them because I don’t understand? What I do understand is my church’s Articles of Faith; therefore, when the issue comes up, I elect to discuss that which I understand, that which I’ve researched. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/399 "2003-07-06T01:57:02Z")
Diamond Jersey, here is a very slightly edited version of the post that I directed to you and His4Ever: Hi, His4Ever and Diamond Jersey. Also, which of these beliefs are Christian beliefs? If you do not hold a particular believe that is listed, is it possible for someone else to believe it and still be a Christian as long as they believe the other things I have listed? The Bible is the Word of God. Belief in God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit Because Jesus died on the cross, everyone can be saved by following the teachings in the Gospel. Belief in repentance of sins Faith in the teachings of the Gospels Baptism by immersion People will be punished for only their own sins. Belief that man can be called by God and his church to teach the Gospel Belief in repentance of sins, faith in the teachings of the Gospels and Baptism People will be punished for only their own sins Belief in miracles such as the healing touch that Jesus demonstrated in the Bible and told his disciples to also go and do The church has disciples, ministers, evangelists, teachers and so forth – just as in the original church. The belief that Christians sometimes speak in tongues and have visions. Christians should try to live within the laws of their countries. Some Christians can have the gift of prophesy that comes from God. Belief in being kind, truthful, and chaste Belief in all that God has revealed and may reveal in the future Belief that each person should worship God according to what he believes in his heart and mind Belief in the teachings of Paul that we should hope all things and endure all things, and that we should concentrate on things that are pure, good, lovely, virtuous and praiseworthy Belief that we should seek these things in our lives Belief that the tribes of Israel will be restored. Belief that someday Jesus will reign over all of the earth I hope that you will take the time to respond. Did I leave out anything that is essential to being a Christian? Thanks! Pax ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148/400 "2003-07-06T02:01:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally posted by Monty > > Didn’t you have something better to do, His4Ever? > > Don’t you? Why, His; I thought you considered Holy Writ to be the primary compulsion of a human’s actions! Let me quote a couple of things, with proper attribution of course: > [@](#): > > John 8:32 > And ye shall know the truth, and it shall make ye free. > [@](#): > > D&C 93 > [sup]36[/sup]The Glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth. > [sup]37[/sup]Light and truth forsake that evil one. > [@](#): > > Exodus 20:7 > Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. > [@](#): > > Exodus 20:16 > Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Come on, expert! What better thing do you have to do than follow what you say God said? Here’s a novel idea: preach about your faith and cease and desist parroting others’ condemnations of faiths that neither they nor you have a clue about. Addressing the OP of this thread: Here’s why I think those Fundamentalists want to go preach in Iraq: it’s not to spread the Gospel message but to try and prevent the message of Dar al-Islam being preached. The Fundamentalists who want to go there are afraid that the message of Muhammed (PBUH) just might be right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-christian-evangelists/184148.md?page=21)