# Fuck You Conservative Stupid-Making Machine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977 "2010-10-04T05:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/221 "2010-10-06T03:37:43Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’d bet most conservatives know the difference between a fact and an opinion. Which is that facts are fungible, and opinions are immutable? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/222 "2010-10-06T03:39:59Z")
I dunno what Lobo and Scylla are on about (it seems to be both claiming victory in that the other doesn’t get something), but I figure through a combination of the Southern Strategy and modern politicized fundamentalism, the Republican party have discovered that they can win elections by embracing populist ignorance, whereas previously (i.e. the Dewey era) they might have represented educated and moneyed professionals in the urbanized states. At this point, I don’t see any reasonable chance at a recovery over the next decade or so. It’d take a leader brave enough to say he (or she) cares more about business than in paying lip service to religion, and an electorate who doesn’t feel a visceral revulsion at such an attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/223 "2010-10-06T03:45:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No, not you - just a poke at another poster here, who seems to blame his own ignorance on the fact that others did not teach him well enough. If that little jibe is directed at me, I’d like to point out that how things “seem” to to you is of little consequence, because you’re so often wrong…as is the case in this, uh, case. Why is it that whenever I post something intended to illuminate the thinking of certain segments of the population, or why they think that way, I get excoriated for that thinking as if it were my own? Is it lack of reading comprehension exacerbated by stupidity…or is it, in this case anyway, simply knee-jerk douchebagginess intended to avoid having to take responsibility for misapprehensions you’ve created yourselves? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/224 "2010-10-06T03:45:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno what Lobo and Scylla are on about He thinks that conservatives are right-thinking folk that accept evolution. And I’m all, not the majority of them. And he’s all, “nah-uh” and I’m all, “uh-huh”. Mostly it’s sexual subtext because he thinks I’m dreamy. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/225 "2010-10-06T03:49:29Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Is it lack of reading comprehension exacerbated by stupidity…or is it, in this case anyway, simply knee-jerk douchebagginess intended to avoid **having to take responsibility for misapprehensions you’ve created yourselves**? Again you sorry old chum, who said or created that? You are only making straw men and continue to hit them, it is an activity that can make you happy, but you only come as pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/226 "2010-10-06T03:57:15Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > This is why I mostly talk about the weather with my family. And then somebody has to bring up global warming . . . 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/227 "2010-10-06T04:14:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Again you sorry old chum, who said or created that? You are only making straw men and continue to hit them, it is an activity that can make you happy, but you only come as pathetic. Bourbon? Scotch? What? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/228 "2010-10-06T04:15:50Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Clothahump](#): > > > > No, Lobo. You spouted bullshit and I called you on it. Put up or shut up. > > Silly bitch. That’s your concept of putting up? I love it when the name calling starts, because that shows you have absolutely nothing to refute what I say. Lobo, carrying on a discussion with you is like arguing with a tree stump. Except the tree stump appears to have a better grasp on reality. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/229 "2010-10-06T04:28:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@GIGObuster](#): > > > > Again you sorry old chum, who said or created that? You are only making straw men and continue to hit them, it is an activity that can make you happy, but you only come as pathetic. > > Bourbon? Scotch? What? Do you drink them with a straw? That would really be pathetic! But really, who were the scientists or academics that were teaching about evolution the way you are describing? Or do we have to assume that you are happy to be branded as part of the conservative stupid-making machine thanks to your efforts in this tread? For never bothering to show the evidence for your say so’s? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/230 "2010-10-06T04:55:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > Bourbon? Scotch? What? > > Do you drink them with a straw? That would really be pathetic! > > But really, who were the scientists or academics that were teaching about evolution the way you are describing What the hell are you talking about? How did I describe evolution? And what claims did I make that you think require substantiation by scientists or academics? > [@GIGObuster](#): > > For never bothering to show the evidence for your say so’s? What I do for the most part is offer opinions…opinions and observations. And so quite natually when I say something like _“many people confuse evolution and abiogenesis largely because liberals have been proclaiming for years that creationism isn’t responsible for life on this planet, evolution is”_, and some bozo comes along demanding cites to that effect from the scientific community, I roll my eyes and ignore them because I’m clearly talking about the types of liberals one finds around here and on television talk shows or elsewhere in public discourse and not members of the scientific community. I do find it amusing however, and something of a victory for me, when my opponents are reduced to these kinds of desperate and dishonest maneuvers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/231 "2010-10-06T06:04:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And so quite natually when I say something like _“many people confuse evolution and abiogenesis largely because liberals have been proclaiming for years that creationism isn’t responsible for life on this planet, evolution is”_… Once again you have me perplexed. I simply cannot work out whether you are the most mendacious person alive, or the most stupid. Presumably, if liberals blurring the distinction between abiogenesis and evolution is so prevalent that it is responsible for “many people” confusing the two, then surely you can provide us with at least a couple of examples in places where people might have been likely to see them, and thus influenced by them. I mean, a claim about influence, especially on a national scale (which is what you’re making here), should at least be able to turn up a _little_ bit of evidence in the historical record, surely? I don’t even expect the evidence to come from the scientific community. I’d happy if you could provide some from “around here and on television talk shows or elsewhere in public discourse.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/232 "2010-10-06T06:20:49Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@Dr.Love](#): > > > > O’Donnell’s question, “why aren’t monkeys still evolving into humans?” is a question that actually makes sense. > > It makes sense in that the words are chained together, and the questions mark at the end is a nice touch, but it is rather factually challenged. There isn’t a simple answer. The best you could hope for is an explanation of what’s wrong with it. > > But I’ll give it a go. Monkeys are still evolving, but not into humans. We won’t know what they’re evolving into until it happens. Similarly, humans did not evolve from monkeys as we know them today, but if you go back enough generations, we do have a common ancestor. > > Do you think that’s the simple answer O’Donnell was looking for? What’s wrong with “We don’t have any more of the right kind of monkeys.”? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/233 "2010-10-06T06:30:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > > I dunno what Lobo and Scylla are on about > > He thinks that conservatives are right-thinking folk that accept evolution. And I’m all, not the majority of them. And he’s all, “nah-uh” and I’m all, “uh-huh”. Please take a break from the boards until you can demonstrate a mastery of the use of the verb “to be.” I realize it’s an irregular verb, but it’s not _that_ difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/234 "2010-10-06T06:35:19Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > He thinks that conservatives are right-thinking folk that accept evolution. And I’m all, not the majority of them. And he’s all, “nah-uh” and I’m all, “uh-huh”. > > Please take a break from the boards until you can demonstrate a mastery of the use of the verb “to be.” I realize it’s an irregular verb, but it’s not _that_ difficult. Abracadabra has to bes. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/235 "2010-10-06T06:52:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What the hell are you talking about? How did I describe evolution? And what claims did I make that you think require substantiation by scientists or academics? \*\*mhendo \*\*is also realizing how silly you are with your games. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What I do for the most part is offer opinions…opinions and observations. And so quite natually when I say something like _“many people confuse evolution and abiogenesis largely because liberals have been proclaiming for years that creationism isn’t responsible for life on this planet, evolution is”_, and some bozo comes along demanding cites to that effect from the scientific community, I roll my eyes and ignore them because I’m clearly talking about the types of liberals one finds around here and on television talk shows or elsewhere in public discourse and not members of the scientific community. As \*\*mhendo \*\*noticed, you have not even produced any examples from TV or talk shows. You are still just hitting straw men. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I do find it amusing however, and something of a victory for me, when my opponents are reduced to these kinds of desperate and dishonest maneuvers. 🙂 What is really amusing is encountering someone like you that does not even realize that he is indeed using desperate and dishonest maneuvers. Please give specific examples of who is saying “for years that creationism isn’t responsible for life on this planet, evolution is”, or just acknowledge that you just pulled your “examples” out of your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/236 "2010-10-06T07:37:55Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Scylla](#): > > > > Is denying evolution in favor of creationism an example of: > > > > A. Conservatism? > > B. Fundamentalism? > > > > You have chosen A. That makes you an idiot. > > Sorry retardo. Most conservatives don’t believe in evolution. Denial is actively sold by the conservative media and I’ll leave it to you to count how many national conservatives believe in it. > > So, as I said, keep fucking that chicken, Scylla! Look, like I have said, I wish more conservatives believed in evolution. But lets remember that 38% of Democrats don’t believe in it either. Not to mention that certain members of the Democratic coalition tend to have other interesting opinions. Close to half of African-Americans think crack was designed by the government as part of a genocidal plan. Does that keep politicians from chasing their votes? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/237 "2010-10-06T07:52:33Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > Sorry retardo. Most conservatives don’t believe in evolution. Denial is actively sold by the conservative media and I’ll leave it to you to count how many national conservatives believe in it. > > > > So, as I said, keep fucking that chicken, Scylla! > > Look, like I have said, I wish more conservatives believed in evolution. But lets remember that 38% of Democrats don’t believe in it either. Not to mention that certain members of the Democratic coalition tend to have other interesting opinions. > > Close to half of African-Americans think crack was designed by the government as part of a genocidal plan. Does that keep politicians from chasing their votes? Well, can you mention the current Democratic candidates that are telling those voters that their fears are true? By contrast virtually all Republican candidates are constantly telling their base that Climate scientists are wrong or worse, that they are cheats and criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/238 "2010-10-06T08:33:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Again you sorry old chum, who said or created that? > [@mhendo](#): > > Once again you have me perplexed. I simply cannot work out whether you are the most mendacious person alive, or the most stupid. > > Presumably, if liberals blurring the distinction between abiogenesis and evolution is so prevalent that it is responsible for “many people” confusing the two, then surely you can provide us with at least a couple of examples in places where people might have been likely to see them, and thus influenced by them. > > I mean, a claim about influence, especially on a national scale (which is what you’re making here), should at least be able to turn up a _little_ bit of evidence in the historical record, surely? I don’t even expect the evidence to come from the scientific community. I’d happy if you could provide some from “around here and on television talk shows or elsewhere in public discourse.” > [@GIGObuster](#): > > …just acknowledge that you just pulled your “examples” out of your ass. It seems to me that if I’m going to have to waste my time copying and pasting links to something so painfully obvious, it ought to be worth my time somehow. Either of you guys willing to cough up some dough for every example I can find where liberals frame the question as creationism vs. evolution? Say, $20 per cite? I’ll even limit my cites to those with a national forum and you’ll still lose your ass. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/239 "2010-10-06T08:52:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@GIGObuster](#): > > > > Again you sorry old chum, who said or created that? > > > [@GIGObuster](#): > > > > …just acknowledge that you just pulled your “examples” out of your ass. > > It seems to me that if I’m going to have to waste my time copying and pasting links to something so painfully obvious, it ought to be worth my time somehow. Either of you guys willing to cough up some dough for every example I can find where liberals frame the question as creationism vs. evolution? Say, $20 per cite? I’ll even limit my cites to those with a national forum and you’ll still lose your ass. So no, you can’t name or quote directly even a clear example of what you claimed, so you will go for what it was not mentioned by you or requested by us. Please give specific examples of who is saying “for years that creationism isn’t responsible for life on this planet, evolution is” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/240 "2010-10-06T10:09:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It seems to me that if I’m going to have to waste my time copying and pasting links to something so painfully obvious, it ought to be worth my time somehow. Either of you guys willing to cough up some dough for every example I can find where liberals frame the question as creationism vs. evolution? Say, $20 per cite? I’ll even limit my cites to those with a national forum and you’ll still lose your ass. Debating in good faith as always, I see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=13)