# Fuck You Conservative Stupid-Making Machine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977 "2010-10-04T05:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/321 "2010-10-07T20:36:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Of course! That was the whole point - that liberals have been framing the issue of how life as we know it came to be as one of evolution vs. creationism, thus creating the impression in the minds of many that evolution accounts for how life came to be. I’m not necessarily saying that they’ve done this on purpose (though one might wonder why the argument hasn’t been 'abiogenesis vs. creationism instead) but I am saying that the left is responsible for the fact that so many people think evolution is supposed to explain the origins of life - and/or why some refer to it as the ‘theory of evolution’ - because they keep talking about the issue as though it were one of evolution vs. creationism. And I’m saying that if lefties want to point and laugh at people (many of whom aren’t necessarily conservatives either) who think evolution is supposed to explain how life began, it is lefties themselves who are largely responsible for this misapprehension. Speaking as a conservative, it’s not just the liberals who think you’re off-base here. Let’s have a cite already and enough with the snoopy dance. Also: It is not the fault of evolution scientists (or liberals) if people equate “how life as we know it came to be” with “how the initial starting conditions for life came about”. It’s the fault of the intellectually lazy who vote on things without having the slightest good goddamn idea what they’re about: a fault shared by both liberals and conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/322 "2010-10-07T20:39:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So, you guys REALLY want me to post instances of liberals framing the issue in such a way as to create the impression that the debate is one of evolution vs. creationism? You REALLY don’t believe they do that and you REALLY want me to post evidence that they do! > > Is that right? > > I mean, I know we’re allegedly here to fight ignorance and all, but still I’m astounded at the self-confessed leftie ignorance on this matter. So if you really want me to, I will. (May take a little time though, I got chit to do this afternoon.) You know what’s funniest about all this? I have about a dozen examples that illustrate what **Starving Artist** is trying to suggest. But because he is such an asshole, and because he refused to watch the [clip](http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-skewers-fox-news-and-msnbc-for-skewed-coverage-of-obama/) I posted, I will quite happily watch him flail about. All that aside, we all know full well he’s going to post something, completely unrelated, probably about cats that act like dogs while wearing funny hats. From a website that has nothing to do with evolution or creationism. And when those two facts are point out to him, it will once again be the liberal’s who are at fault. There is no winning this. You can’t beat someone that is playing a different game. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/323 "2010-10-07T20:42:44Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > There is no winning this. You can’t beat someone that is playing a different game. Unless you hit \ idspispopd ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/324 "2010-10-07T22:10:52Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > There is no winning this. You can’t beat someone that is playing a different game. Even if you have a stick with nails in it? ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/325 "2010-10-07T22:25:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@emacknight](#): > > > > There is no winning this. You can’t beat someone that is playing a different game. > > Even if you have a stick with nails in it? Now you’re just beating up and drunk and defenseless (and possibly senile) old man, exactly what a liberal would do! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/326 "2010-10-07T22:49:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So now we have a situation where the left apparently is deliberately creating the impression that evolution accounts for life on this planet,… > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Of course! That was the whole point - that liberals have been framing the issue of how life as we know it came to be as one of evolution vs. creationism, thus creating the impression in the minds of many that evolution accounts for how life came to be. I’m not necessarily saying that they’ve done this on purpose… Deliberately, but not on purpose. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So, you guys REALLY want me to post instances of liberals framing the issue in such a way as to create the impression that the debate is one of evolution vs. creationism? You REALLY don’t believe they do that and you REALLY want me to post evidence that they do! > > Is that right? I would like a cite for the opposite, that conservatives DON’T frame the argument as creationism vs. evolution. You’ve said that conservatives don’t disagree with evolution, only with abiogenesis. So please, show me any cite which describes the forming of the first organic molecules, billions of years ago, followed by natural evolution into our current forms, by a self-professed creationist. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/327 "2010-10-07T23:08:47Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > …Deliberately, but not on purpose… And in any case, how? If it is a conspiracy to mock and degrade the mouth-breathing community, how was it done? How was the plan distributed amongst the conspirators? How is it that it remained secret for, lo, these many years? And who first discovered this nefarious plot to simultaneously promote ignorance and mock its victims? Wait a minute! Could it be…could it be!..that the discover of this scheme is amongst us, our very own? Could it be that the mask was ripped off this ghastly plot by our very own **Starving Artist** , but he is too modest and self-effacing to tell us so? Is he soon to be whisked away to travel from Hannity to Beck to Malkin? Lionized and lauded by Bozell, Breitbart, and Limbaugh? We can say without fear of contradiction, that we were here at the birth, the moment of creation. That we, and we alone, brought this into being! And then we can go and get really, really stinking drunk! ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/328 "2010-10-07T23:27:14Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > \ Oh yeah, it must be the liberals, because they’re responsible for everything that has gone wrong since about 1960. Actually, I think he has previously pinned the genesis of moral dissolution down to nigh on 1964. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha… Call it \*\*SA’s \*\*own personal version of Special Creation. \ Criminy, I’ve been laughing so hard at the idiocy I haven’t been able to compose a post. Got rum and coke in my keyboard and all. What a marvelous riot of stupidity and both deliberate and unconscious mendacity. Ah, **Starkers** old buddy, you are such a precious, precious ass. Keep it up, I need some more good laughs. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/329 "2010-10-07T23:37:08Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > Actually, I think he has previously pinned the genesis of moral dissolution down to nigh on 1964. [Au naturellement:](http://www.beatlemania.ca/toursworld/americantour.htm) > [@](#): > > THE INVASION BEGINS!! > (February 7-21, 1964) > > This 2-week “tour” was the very first trip for the Beatles to America. After securing a total of three appearances on the Ed Sullivan Show, and having the number one single (I Want To Hold Your Hand) and number one album (Meet The Beatles!), America was primed and ready for the Fab Four’s invasion of America.Feb.9: Ed Sullivan Show, New York City, New York: The Beatles perform live in front of 728 audience members on the Ed Sullivan Show. An estimated 73 million people watched this show on TV making it one of the highest rated TV shows of all time. They appeared twice on the show, the first half of the show singing All My Loving, 'Till There Was You, and She Loves You; the second half saw the Beatles rip into I Saw Her Standing There and I Want To Hold Your Hand. During rehearsals, a third show was taped for broadcast on Feb. 23, two days after the Beatles have left for England. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/330 "2010-10-07T23:51:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > > …Deliberately, but not on purpose… > > And in any case, how? If it is a conspiracy to mock and degrade the mouth-breathing community, how was it done? How was the plan distributed amongst the conspirators? How is it that it remained secret for, lo, these many years? And who first discovered this nefarious plot to simultaneously promote ignorance and mock its victims? > > Wait a minute! Could it be…could it be!..that the discover of this scheme is amongst us, our very own? Could it be that the mask was ripped off this ghastly plot by our very own **Starving Artist** , but he is too modest and self-effacing to tell us so? > > Is he soon to be whisked away to travel from Hannity to Beck to Malkin? Lionized and lauded by Bozell, Breitbart, and Limbaugh? We can say without fear of contradiction, that we were here at the birth, the moment of creation. That we, and we alone, brought this into being! And then we can go and get really, really stinking drunk! I’ll certainly have to be, before I voluntarily read another post of his. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/331 "2010-10-08T01:19:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And in any case, how? If it is a conspiracy to mock and degrade the mouth-breathing community, how was it done? How was the plan distributed amongst the conspirators? How is it that it remained secret for, lo, these many years? Via our Keith Olbermann Decoder Rings, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/332 "2010-10-09T17:38:58Z")
Nothing yet? Perhaps no evidence that pre-dates 1925? With all the purported low hanging fruit, I expected something by now. Or maybe he finally realized that his very premise made conservatives look extraordinarily intellectually weak. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/333 "2010-10-09T17:45:38Z")
Well, he’s still amassing his onslaught of citation and evidence. But boy! just you wait! This new Microsoft upgrade will have tons of features and… ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/334 "2010-10-09T18:39:59Z")
I’m waiting for the price of cites to come down during the pre-Christmas sales. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/335 "2010-10-09T20:40:04Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Nothing yet? Perhaps no evidence that pre-dates 1925? With all the purported low hanging fruit, I expected something by now. > > Or maybe he finally realized that his very premise made conservatives look extraordinarily intellectually weak. No, it’s the liberals that are at fault, they’re ALWAYS at fault. You confused him with your big words, educated logic, and fancy city talk; you should be ashamed of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/336 "2010-10-09T20:45:56Z")
Yeah! Words didn’t used to be so big, and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/337 "2010-10-09T23:21:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Yeah! Words didn’t used to be so big, and stuff. Remember when [Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious) came out? 1964. That was the first shot in the [Homosexual Agenda](http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda) of word lengthenizing. Like many youths of the time, I was **SOLID** for [Barry Goldwater](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater#Elections), until ‘_supercal_’ emerged. Turned me into a [Great Society](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society) lover and likely helped LBJ win in a landslide. Disney messed us up **StarvingArtist** ’s agenda real good with that flic. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/338 "2010-10-10T00:14:29Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Remember when [Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious) came out? > 1964. And don’t forget - who sang that song in the movie. Julie Andrews. And where is she from? Just the same country that that band from Liverpool who destroyed the fabric of the good old USA when they toured the USA in 1965, THE VERY NEXT YEAR after the film Mary Poppins came out. Coincidence? I think not. Any reasonable person would come to the same conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/339 "2010-10-10T01:10:20Z")
The Repub Tea Baggers are still at it. I live in Dearborn and have found out , through Sharron Angle, I live under Sharia Law. I did not know that. I don’t remember voting for that. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/340 "2010-10-10T03:43:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, he’s still amassing his onslaught of citation and evidence. But boy! just you wait! This new Microsoft upgrade will have tons of features and… Nah, he just had some things to deal with in real life and didn’t have time for posting to the board for a while. Plus after that he lost interest in the thread. Plus it would have been a waste of time anyway and only led to more bullshit hair-splitting. Still, given that some of the thread’s posters seem genuinely to want evidence of how the left continually portrays the question of life on earth as being one of evolution vs. creation rather than one of abiogenesis vs. creation, I’ll provide a one-stop shopping link that will allow the genuinely interested reader the ability to peruse approximately 9,410,000 cites raising the issue in just that way and judge for him or herself how many of those are from leftist vs. conservative sites. [Link](http://www.google.com/search?q=left-wing+%22evolution+vs.+creation%22&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off#hl=en&expIds=17259,24815,25567,25907,26644,26856,27007,27015&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=evolution+vs.+creation+debate&cp=35&pf=p&sclient=psy&lr=&safe=off&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=left-wing+%22evolution+vs.+creation%22+&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=92b55bcb8ad34b32) > [@gonzomax](#): > > The Repub Tea Baggers are still at it. Tea _Partiers_! It’s Tea _Partiers_! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=18)