# Fuck You Conservative Stupid-Making Machine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977 "2010-10-04T05:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/61 "2010-10-04T17:27:16Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > My father-in-law is not a stupid man. He is a highly placed engineer and aside from being a little too Catholic (he refuses to divorce even though they utterly detest each other) he has no real cognitive problems I know of. > > > > Until today that is. My lovely wife is arguing on the phone with him as I write this because he has decided not to believe in Evolution. He used to. > > > > This isn’t because of his religion, since even Catholics for all their problems accept evolution. But because as he gets older he breathes right-wing drivel so much he has become skeptical of it. And thinks both sides should be taught. Both sides. As if there is any evidence for the other one. > > > > Fuck you right-wing of America, fuck you right in your puckered ignorant ass. You’ve turned an intelligent man into a fucking drone shambling around while vomiting your stupidity virus. > > Get off it. > > I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing ignorant bullshit like this spewed from every liberal orifice available. We have our fringe, and just like our crazy cousin in the attic, we don’t talk about them until they start jumping up and down and shaking the ceiling. Gee, just like the libs. > > If your old man has decided to not believe in evolution, it’s not because of the right in general; we believe in it. Instead of braying like a jackass caught in a barbwire fence, try asking your old man why he has chosen to change his beliefs. I agree, it’s not a logical change, and I’m willing to bet that he’s been listening to Cousin Lenny in the attic. > > But shut the fuck up with the broad-brush painting, already. The difference between the fringe on the left and the fringe on the right, is that on the right, the fringe\* is actually in charge\*. How many conservatives deny evolution again? And to the point he’s been listening to cousin O’Reily, Beck, Savage, Levin and Limbaugh. You know, Clothy if you actually were informed about… well anything… you’d be a lot more effective at arguing your points. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/62 "2010-10-04T17:30:13Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > Has it ever occurred to you that the right in this country is simply not allowed to engage in the debate? > > > > For decades and decades the left has met conservatives and conservative philosophy, morals and lifestyle with scorn, ridicule, hatred and anger. Liberals are so convinced of the moral righteousness of their position, their intellectual superiority, and the stupidity and/or evil of anyone who disagrees with them, that they uttely cannot tolerate and don’t tolerate any sort of reasonable dialog. Do you have doubts as to the constitutionality of affirmative action or its consequences in the workplace? Then you’re a racist bigot! Do you dispute allegations that apart from reproduction, there is no difference between men and women whatsoever and no job exists that a man can do which a woman can’t? Then you’re a sexist bastard! Do you honestly feel that it is outside the proper role of government to redistribute income? Then you’re a greedy motherfucker with an “I got mine, you get yours” attitude! Do you honestly feel that private health care delivers a better and more immediate quality of health care than would a government-run system? Then you’re a heartless bastard who wants to see poor people dying in the street! Are you unconvinced about global warming and unsure whether it’s manmade or not, and whether if it is if we know what to do about it, and if it is and what we need to do about it will the rest of the world’s population go along and work to reduce it? Then you’re a greedy right-wing asshole more concered that industry make profits than about saving the world…either that or you’re just too stupid to understand the science. Are you middle-aged and decades away from school and completely divorced from the science involved in evolution? Then of course you’re just a stupid, backward, mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger! > > > > There is simply no way to have a productive discussion with people of a liberal mindset on the national level (as opposed to somewhere like here on the Dope where it does happen on rare occasion). So in a very real sense, politics has become all out war where you choose your side, dig in deep and fight with all you’ve got…and may the best man win! This may be happening with your father; he may have just become so disgusted with the antics of the left that he’s found himself gravitating to the extremes of the other end just because there’s no place else to go. > > > > And I would point out that you, **Lobohan** , are among the worst on this board when it comes to engaging in this type of behavior. There may have been times when I’ve seen you debate something with a conservative without calling him stupid and/or a moron, but I can’t think of one if I have. > > > > So the result, as is usually the case when liberalism predominates, is one of unintended consequences. When you shut down debate and the give-and-take that goes with it, you create a atmosphere where the other side is driven to extremes in order to combat you. And then your side, seeing that extremism on the other side, reacts accordingly and we eventually arrive where we are today, where you basically have two sides that hate each other and have become determined to defeat the other at all costs. > > > > Time and time again I watch clips of shows like William F. Buckley’s _Firing Line_ and come upon comments wondering why we don’t have intelligent, dignified discussions of opposing viewpoints anymore, and in my opinion it’s the result of the name-calling, scorn and hatred which has been the standard operating practice of the left since the anti-war days of the late sixties, combined with an overall breakdown in societal mores also caused by the left and which I’ve talked about before. > > > > So really, you have no one to blame but yourselves. > > And the stupid viewpoiont has weighed in. You get pretty fucking tired arguing with people who don’t listen but instead gibber about God said (and that’s usually wrong and misquoted) or the “Invisible Market Hand” or the good old “you traitor get out of myc ountry”. You get sick of teh same old bullshit tripe from the same old bullshit “tape recorder”. And like many have told you before, it isn’t the Sixties and the Diorty Hippy Contingent. > > There is no “other side of the argument” and there are no provable or half ass supportable FACTS on the other side of Evolution. So WHY should we waste our time dignifying the same ignorant stupid fucking LIES all over again? > > God you’re a fucking idiot. Some things never change. > > P.S. I know that tired “teach the controversy” line. More bullshit. Ha–I actually agree with both of these posts. I think SA is right about how liberals (and Lobo) debate issues, but I don’t see the application to Evolution. I think maybe SA’s point suffers from insufficient distinction between fiscal and social conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/63 "2010-10-04T17:35:29Z")
[REPORT: Grand Old Deniers — Nearly All GOP Senate Candidates Deny Global Warming](http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/13/warming-deniers-gop-caucus/) > [@](#): > > A comprehensive Wonk Room survey of the Republican candidates for the U.S. Senate finds that nearly all dispute the scientific consensus that the United States must act to fight global warming pollution. Remarkably, of the dozens of Republicans vying for the 37 Senate seats in the 2010 election, only one — Rep. Mike Castle of Delaware — supports strong climate action. Even former climate advocates Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL) now toe the science-doubting party line. Have the Libs endorsed any flat earthers or geocentrists this round, or is the party pushed crazy pretty firmly biased to the right this year? There’s always ‘some people’ with crazy mentation, it gets worrisome though when entire political parties embrace the crazy as is happening now. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/64 "2010-10-04T17:35:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Lobo, I don’t think a guy who can’t tell a fact from an opinion has any business calling others stupid. Remember that thread recently where you got on my ass for ignoring “facts” and then said the “facts” I ignore are “Keynesian economics” and “health care reform” and “global warming”? It’s a fact that the vast majority of scientists who work in the field of climatology agree AGW is happening. Why do you get to side with the less than 1% that disagree? That isn’t an opinion, it’s denying scientific consensus. That a stimulus was necessary was economic consensus from the majority of economists. It is an observable fact that first world universal health care systems work better than ours. Rand, bubbie, you didn’t understand what you were reading because you’re a stupid ideological clod. Now why don’t you go play pretend tax-man while your betters talk, kay? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/65 "2010-10-04T17:35:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > When you look at the drug, crime, STD, single-parent and abortion statistics, and at the way people dress, talk and behave these days, and when you look at the size and scope of government compared with just a few decades ago, there is no doubt whatsoever that liberalism has been the dominant hegemonic force in the U.S. over the last forty years or so. So, right on the heels of your lament that people unfairly stereotype and attack conservatives without listening to their substantive arguments, you then immediately equate negative social trends with liberalism _by definition_. 😕 Do you really think liberals _want_ more STDs, teen pregnancy, drug abuse, etc? And do you really think liberal policies are more likely to result in these things than conservative policies? It’s liberals who are always pushing for sex education and drug rehab, you know, which has been shown to be far more effective than abstinence only education and zero tolerance drug laws. I actually agree with you about the liberals who shout insults without bothering to debate – they’re annoying as fuck. But I see that just as much if not more from the conservative side. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/66 "2010-10-04T17:44:10Z")
Can I see a right-wing board shouting down anti-AGW? No. But I don’t see the SDMB shouting down socialists either. SDMB liberals are all too happy to count Socialists among their members instead of smacking them around with an anti-ignorance stick. Then there’s a complete rejection of the law of supply and demand that’s so prevalent on the left. That, like creationism, simply comes from a lack of education. And as a result, you get things like protectionism enacted into law. So fuck you, liberal stupid-making machine. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/67 "2010-10-04T17:44:55Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@SteveG1](#): > > > > And the stupid viewpoiont has weighed in. You get pretty fucking tired arguing with people who don’t listen but instead gibber about God said (and that’s usually wrong and misquoted) or the “Invisible Market Hand” or the good old “you traitor get out of myc ountry”. You get sick of teh same old bullshit tripe from the same old bullshit “tape recorder”. And like many have told you before, it isn’t the Sixties and the Diorty Hippy Contingent. > > > > There is no “other side of the argument” and there are no provable or half ass supportable FACTS on the other side of Evolution. So WHY should we waste our time dignifying the same ignorant stupid fucking LIES all over again? > > > > God you’re a fucking idiot. Some things never change. > > > > P.S. I know that tired “teach the controversy” line. More bullshit. > > Ha–I actually agree with both of these posts. I think SA is right about how liberals (and Lobo) debate issues, but I don’t see the application to Evolution. I think maybe SA’s point suffers from insufficient distinction between fiscal and social conservatives. Socially, I tend toward liberal - that should be no surprise. Fiscally, I THINK I’m a bit more conservative - programs and projects are fine, but you gotta consider how it gets paid for. To get any more specific, hell if even I know. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/68 "2010-10-04T17:48:10Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > God you’re a fucking idiot. Some things never change. Be gentle. In the PowerPoint\* presentation of **SA** ’s mind, there’s a fat red arrow leading directly from Pete Seeger to pregnant five-year-olds with taxpayer-funded breast implants doing barnyard bukkake to pay for their OxyRitalin. - A set of punchcards for the electronical computer box designed to help you sell more goods, say, velocipedes or patent medicine. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/69 "2010-10-04T17:50:37Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Since this is your assertion, not mine, how about you take the time to support it. Please provide evidence that those with an anti-vaccination orientation are more likely to also have a liberal political orientation. Preferably, please select a better method of doing so than pointing to community level rates, particularly by pointing to one or two communities alone. Three communities. My first concerned Boulder - and did link the anti-vaccination movement there to alternative medicine and to the Waldorf movement in a particular school with a very high rate of PBEs. Also, frankly, there are very few conservatives in Boulder and there is a whole lot of whooping cough. Correlation can’t be confused with causation, but it is correlation, which is all I was doing right from the start here. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/70 "2010-10-04T17:51:26Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It is an observable fact that first world universal health care systems work better than ours. Are you kidding? It’s just another transfer payment. It doesn’t “work better” if you’re one of the people at the top, now does it? It doesn’t work better if you’re one of the citizens that have sufficient health care and are happy with it, now does it? Which brings me to another product of the liberal stupid-making machine: the idea that rich people’s opinions don’t count. How many times, on this very board, do we get arguments that are basically “We’ll take from the rich and give to the poor, and that way, EVERYONE’S happy!” ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/71 "2010-10-04T17:51:45Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Then there’s a complete rejection of the law of supply and demand that’s so prevalent on the left. That, like creationism, simply comes from a lack of education. And as a result, you get things like protectionism enacted into law. > > So fuck you, liberal stupid-making machine. Yes, the steel tariff of 2002 was George Bush’s great experiment in fiscal liberalism. Tell me another one. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/72 "2010-10-04T17:52:52Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > SDMB liberals are all too happy to count Socialists among their members instead of smacking them around with an anti-ignorance stick. Obama’s a member of SDMB? Just what is it you call a ‘socialist’, **Chessic**? I’m thinking anybody to the left of Chuck Norrist? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/73 "2010-10-04T17:53:48Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > Lobo, I don’t think a guy who can’t tell a fact from an opinion has any business calling others stupid. Remember that thread recently where you got on my ass for ignoring “facts” and then said the “facts” I ignore are “Keynesian economics” and “health care reform” and “global warming”? > > It’s a fact that the vast majority of scientists who work in the field of climatology agree AGW is happening. Why do you get to side with the less than 1% that disagree? That isn’t an opinion, it’s denying scientific consensus. > > That a stimulus was necessary was economic consensus from the majority of economists. > > It is an observable fact that first world universal health care systems work better than ours. > > Rand, bubbie, you didn’t understand what you were reading because you’re a stupid ideological clod. Now why don’t you go play pretend tax-man while your betters talk, kay? Thanks for proving my point. It doesn’t matter how manny people share an opinion, it’s still an opinion, not a fact. And scientific topics deserve special treatment, as I’ve discussed at length elsewhere. My point stands–you call others stupid while you believe that “Keynesian economics” etc are facts, which is a much more basic and fundamental form of stupidity than just beimg wrong on a specific issue (such as your dad is with evolution). ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/74 "2010-10-04T17:54:00Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > But I don’t see the SDMB shouting down socialists either. SDMB liberals are all too happy to count Socialists among their members instead of smacking them around with an anti-ignorance stick. > > Then there’s a complete rejection of the law of supply and demand that’s so prevalent on the left. That, like creationism, simply comes from a lack of education. And as a result, you get things like protectionism enacted into law. > > So fuck you, liberal stupid-making machine. I can only count about 2 at the most Socialist-leaning posters that are as active as the 5 or more conservative counterparts on the SDMB. Granted, occasionally when they post their drivel, we are glad to step aside and let the Right and Left of the board fight it out, Admiral Stockdale-style, but some times there is hearty disagreement from more “mainstream” posters. And sometimes there is hearty _agreement_ with them. Because unlike the conservative posters, the Socialist-leaning posters are sometimes right. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/75 "2010-10-04T17:55:31Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > It is an observable fact that first world universal health care systems work better than ours. > > Are you kidding? It’s just another transfer payment. It doesn’t “work better” if you’re one of the people at the top, now does it? It doesn’t work better if you’re one of the citizens that have sufficient health care and are happy with it, now does it? > > Which brings me to another product of the liberal stupid-making machine: the idea that rich people’s opinions don’t count. How many times, on this very board, do we get arguments that are basically “We’ll take from the rich and give to the poor, and that way, EVERYONE’S happy!” It does if it does the job better and for less money. Why don’t we make this thread about a more general stupidity on the conservative side, not your particular brand, kay? There are hundreds (I’m sure) of health care threads out there. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/76 "2010-10-04T17:55:33Z")
> [@mr. Moto](#): > > > [@hentor the barbarian](#): > > > > since this is your assertion, not mine, how about you take the time to support it. Please provide evidence that those with an anti-vaccination orientation are more likely to also have a liberal political orientation. Preferably, please select a better method of doing so than pointing to community level rates, particularly by pointing to one or two communities alone. > > three communities. My first concerned boulder - and did link the anti-vaccination movement there to alternative medicine and to the waldorf movement in a particular school with a very high rate of pbes. > > Also, frankly, there are very few conservatives in boulder and there is a whole lot of whooping cough. Correlation can’t be confused with causation, but it is correlation, which is all i was doing right from the start here. IT’S NOT EVEN CORRELATION! You’re not getting it. To show correlation, you need to show a systematic relationship over the span of two distributions. You’re pointing to two (or three?) single points which you’ve selected and looking at the rate. That’s not correlation, dipshit. For example, following your links, I see that San Luis Obispo, which historically votes GOP, has a rate of personal belief exemption that is twice the state rate. Since you’re arguing from a pointilistic orientation, we have no idea of knowing whether your individually hand-selected anecdotal bits or mine are any better than one another. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/77 "2010-10-04T18:00:12Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > It is an observable fact that first world universal health care systems work better than ours. > > Are you kidding? It’s just another transfer payment. It doesn’t “work better” if you’re one of the people at the top, now does it? It doesn’t work better if you’re one of the citizens that have sufficient health care and are happy with it, now does it? > > Which brings me to another product of the liberal stupid-making machine: the idea that rich people’s opinions don’t count. How many times, on this very board, do we get arguments that are basically “We’ll take from the rich and give to the poor, and that way, EVERYONE’S happy!” Yep. Another product is the idea that there are no other consequences toa redistribution scheme–that increasing taxes to give money to poor people will only have the effect of poor people having more money. There won’t be any effect on employment, the price of goods, or the economy as a whole, and anyone that wants to talk about those effects is really just an evil person that hates poor people. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/78 "2010-10-04T18:00:54Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > It’s a fact that the vast majority of scientists who work in the field of climatology agree AGW is happening. Why do you get to side with the less than 1% that disagree? That isn’t an opinion, it’s denying scientific consensus. > > > > That a stimulus was necessary was economic consensus from the majority of economists. > > > > It is an observable fact that first world universal health care systems work better than ours. > > > > Rand, bubbie, you didn’t understand what you were reading because you’re a stupid ideological clod. Now why don’t you go play pretend tax-man while your betters talk, kay? > > Thanks for proving my point. It doesn’t matter how manny people share an opinion, it’s still an opinion, not a fact. And scientific topics deserve special treatment, as I’ve discussed at length elsewhere. > > My point stands–you call others stupid while you believe that “Keynesian economics” etc are facts, which is a much more basic and fundamental form of stupidity than just beimg wrong on a specific issue (such as your dad is with evolution). Consensus is the fact we’re talking about retard. I know you feel like you really have one here. But you don’t. I notice that instead of dealing with the troubling reality that the ideological side you identify with is full of utter banal stupidity and bereft of a solid thought all you can do is pretend to have the goods on me. 😃 Rand Rover. I’m sorry I made you look stupid. But all I did was shine a light. You’re the one that reflected it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/79 "2010-10-04T18:04:42Z")
Asking why conservatives no longer have thoughtful, intelligent representatives is like asking why Germany doesn’t celebrate Hanukkah. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/80 "2010-10-04T18:10:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Asking why conservatives no longer have thoughtful, intelligent representatives is like asking why Germany doesn’t celebrate Hanukkah. Heh. That’s pretty fucking sly. I just may steal that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=5)