# Fuck You Conservative Stupid-Making Machine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977 "2010-10-04T05:12:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/141 "2010-10-04T23:36:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And to a large degree the reason for this is the way evolution has been promoted by the left, which is by saying that creationism isn’t responsible for what we know as life today, evolution is. So if you want to make fun of people who confuse evolution with abiogenesis, remember they only believe that because of what YOU’VE said. 😃 Oh right. It’s all the fault of the “left” for not being clear about what evolution is or is not. Gotcha. We must really confuse the hell out of them with our “facts” and “logic”. Actually, I think it’s really more the fault of the evolution-deniers for being ignorant, uneducated fuckwits, and not understanding the first thing about what they’re talking about. Your mileage obviously varies. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/142 "2010-10-05T00:19:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And to a large degree the reason for this is the way evolution has been promoted by the left, which is by saying that creationism isn’t responsible for what we know as life today, evolution is. So if you want to make fun of people who confuse evolution with abiogenesis, remember they only believe that because of what YOU’VE said. 😃 Are you making the dumb point that creationists **do not say** that god created humans and animals just the way they are now roughly 10,000 years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/143 "2010-10-05T00:28:03Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I didn’t inadvertently point it out, it was the point of the whole damn post…that when people say they don’t believe in evolution, or the ‘theory of evolution’, they’re talking about evolution as abiogenesis. And now that you’ve been enlightened, would it be to much to ask that you _stay_ that way, and never confuse the two again? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/144 "2010-10-05T00:30:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Are you making the dumb point that creationists **do not say** that god created humans and animals just the way they are now roughly 10,000 years ago? **SA** ’s entire schtick is that he makes about eighteen semi-coherent dumb points at once, leaving you wondering exactly what he’s claiming, and then he jumps back and elaborates on a few, making newer and dumber points as he does so, sometimes explaining that he was kidding about dumb point #14, or exaggerating for effect (as any simpleton could see) on the third part of dumb point #8, or being sarcastic in dumb point # 11… ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/145 "2010-10-05T00:58:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And to a large degree the reason for this is the way evolution has been promoted by the left, which is by saying that creationism isn’t responsible for what we know as life today, evolution is. So if you want to make fun of people who confuse evolution with abiogenesis, remember they only believe that because of what YOU’VE said. 😃 This is not a left-right thing, as much as you’d like to believe it to be so. It’s a science vs. anti-science thing. Hell, Darwin himself implied that it doesn’t matter _how_ life first got here, only that it _did_: > [@Charles Darwin](#): > > There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved. So, no. People are confused because they’re dumbasses who don’t bother to actually, you know, _learn_, and instead just repeat the crap they’ve been fed by others who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. And it sure as hell ain’t the scientists going on about how abiogensis = evolution. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/146 "2010-10-05T01:56:27Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > My father-in-law is not a stupid man. He is a highly placed engineer and aside from being a little too Catholic (he refuses to divorce even though they utterly detest each other) he has no real cognitive problems I know of. > > Until today that is. My lovely wife is arguing on the phone with him as I write this because he has decided not to believe in Evolution. He used to. > > This isn’t because of his religion, since even Catholics for all their problems accept evolution. But because as he gets older he breathes right-wing drivel so much he has become skeptical of it. And thinks both sides should be taught. Both sides. As if there is any evidence for the other one. > > Fuck you right-wing of America, fuck you right in your puckered ignorant ass. You’ve turned an intelligent man into a fucking drone shambling around while vomiting your stupidity virus. > > Here’s the thing, I think there should be conservatives in the debate. I think liberalism without a conservative check could go too far. But the right in America isn’t about debate any more. It’s about histrionics and brainwashing. Instead of debating what to do about Global Warming they pretend it doesn’t exist. Instead of debating what to do about immigration they stomp their feet and scream that no progress will be had until we have a fence. Instead of accepting science they deny it so it can lever in their bullshit, unconstitutional desire for a state religion. > > Blergh. Tonight I mourn for a man who’s brain was once alive, yet is now, not so much. I’ve noticed this effect to varying degrees with all of my conservative acquaintances. Here is a list of stuff that they have believed in the past few years: The estate tax applies to everyone even our mother who is not likely to have enough of an estate to trigger the estate tax but since the right calls it a “death tax” my sister thinks that anyone who dies pays this tax. When I was a kid, my uncle didn’t believe smoking caused cancer. An acquaintance think the Holocaust is exaggerated and thinks “only” about a million Jews died. My dad’s friend thinks global warming is all caused by sunspots. One friend believes that lowering taxes INCREASES tax revenue. He also believes that we can balance the budget by cutting earmarks and the “over the top” parts of welfare. He was a much nicer, saner guy in college. My mother is still confused about Obama’s religion. My brother in law thinks that Republicans are the party of fiscal discipline. This is starting to depress me. I’m gonna stop now. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/147 "2010-10-05T02:10:19Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > > [@GIGObuster](#): > > > > Are you making the dumb point that creationists **do not say** that god created humans and animals just the way they are now roughly 10,000 years ago? > > **SA** ’s entire schtick is that he makes about eighteen semi-coherent dumb points at once, leaving you wondering exactly what he’s claiming, and then he jumps back and elaborates on a few, making newer and dumber points as he does so, sometimes explaining that he was kidding about dumb point #14, or exaggerating for effect (as any simpleton could see) on the third part of dumb point #8, or being sarcastic in dumb point # 11… Which is among the reasons I really appreciate it when people are considerate enough to refrain from quoting him directly. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/148 "2010-10-05T02:13:48Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > So you believe catholics are perfectly fine with the idea that humans exist only because conditions became right for mammals and then for smart mammals? If I said to the pope, “Hey pope, it is possible that humans never existed ever in the whole history of the universe,” you think he’d say “yep”? > > Yep, > > [http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam\_Eve\_and\_Evolution.asp](http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp) > > > [@](#): > > > > Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that “the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God” (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are. > > > > While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution. :dubious: 1. You left out this part: > [@](#): > > Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him. So, it looks like the Catholic church does not officially embrace evolution, they just allow for it. 1. The souls v. bodies thing seems like a convenient little side-step that allows one to have one’s cake and eat it too. I suppose the Pope believes that a human soul would have inevitably been created at some point, and if god had to throw it into a big-ass lizard body because that’s all that’s evolved, then so be it. I’m not sure how T Rex would have prayed the rosary with those little hands, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/149 "2010-10-05T02:43:50Z")
I hear tell some of the Pentecostal dinosaurs would speak in tongues and handle mammals. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/150 "2010-10-05T02:46:07Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > :dubious: > > 1. You left out this part: > > Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him. > > So, it looks like the Catholic church does not officially embrace evolution, they just allow for it. You said “it is possible that humans never existed ever in the whole history of the universe,” to that they \*\*do \*\*indeed say **possible**. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > 1. The souls v. bodies thing seems like a convenient little side-step that allows one to have one’s cake and eat it too. I suppose the Pope believes that a human soul would have inevitably been created at some point, and if god had to throw it into a big-ass lizard body because that’s all that’s evolved, then so be it. I’m not sure how T Rex would have prayed the rosary with those little hands, but whatever. Of course it is “convenient” like the church lady would say, that is one reason why I’m a lapsed Catholic. I’m only saying that they do conveniently cover their bases, their position is less anti scientific than many organized churches that are followed by many conservatives in the USA, and they even do science, by not denying a very ancient universe a Catholic priest gave us what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe. > **[Georges Lemaître](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre)** > > Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître (/ləˈmɛtrə/ lə-MET-rə; .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}French: \[ʒɔʁʒ ləmɛːtʁ\] ⓘ; 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian Catholic priest, theoretical physicist, and mathematician who made major contributions to cosmology and astrophysics. He was the first to argue that the recession of gal ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/151 "2010-10-05T03:26:53Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > **Hentor** , I also cited high rates of exemptions from immunization for personal beliefs in Marin and Berkeley - and Boulder as well, in the older article. Your latest cite does not address the issue of PBEs at all - these low rates of immunization could be attributed to many other factors, including poverty, access to medical care, and the like. > > Please show how PBEs contributed to the lower rates for Texas or Arizona - and keep in mind that their immunization rate statewide still is higher than that for Berkeley or Marin County. > > Thanks. As a Boulderite, I’m going to call BS on the city being a hotbed of the anti-vax movement, and it’s ties to political ideology. The example in the linked article was a couple hundred kids in a school tied to an educational philosophy that discourages the use of antibiotics and vaccinations. It has nothing to do with politics. The article also points out that half of the pertussis cases reported in the community are in vaccinated kids. Considering that Boulder is filled with national laboratories, tech companies, and biotech firms, and with all the attendant engineers and scientists who work there, I’d be surprised if it weren’t one of the better vacccinated cities in the state. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/152 "2010-10-05T04:18:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I won’t defend the anti-evolution nuts, but hows about a little person responsibility on the FIL’s part? He’s an educated man, with an Engineering degree, belonging to a religion that is perfectly OK with evolution. He has no excuse for falling for right-wing clap trap about evolution. Once again, \*\*John \*\*wins the thread. And with that said, there are a number issues afflicting liberals in an equal and opposite manner. > [@RickJay](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > Has it ever occurred to you that the right in this country is simply not allowed to engage in the debate? > > Evolution is not a “right” or “left” issue. Fiscal policy, foreign policy, matters of what importance to place on things, those are matters of “right” and “left.” Evolution is simply a list of facts. > > Ignorance is not a point of view. This needed to get quoted again. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/153 "2010-10-05T04:20:32Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Asking why conservatives no longer have thoughtful, intelligent representatives is like asking why Germany doesn’t celebrate Hanukkah. This also needs to be repeated. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/154 "2010-10-05T05:16:35Z")
Actually, they do, don’t they? Killjoy was here. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/155 "2010-10-05T05:23:22Z")
Wow. Evolution, Tea Party, Anti-Vax…if there was ever a thread custom made for the SDMB Pit this is it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/156 "2010-10-05T05:27:27Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > > [@Clothahump](#): > > > > Cite? > > You’re so uninformed you can use it as a weapon. Do you require a cite that the Earth is round? No, Lobo. You spouted bullshit and I called you on it. Put up or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/157 "2010-10-05T05:29:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@Bosstone](#): > > > > Your kilt is showing. > > Now, now. I’m sure he hits the conservative message boards heavily, telling such people that they are not conservative and that they are not welcome on those boards. And you would be wrong, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/158 "2010-10-05T05:40:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > And to a large degree the reason for this is the way evolution has been promoted by the left, which is by saying that creationism isn’t responsible for what we know as life today, evolution is. So if you want to make fun of people who confuse evolution with abiogenesis, remember they only believe that because of what YOU’VE said. 😃 > > Oh right. It’s all the fault of the “left” for not being clear about what evolution is or is not. Gotcha. We must really confuse the hell out of them with our “facts” and “logic”. It’s neither factual nor logical when you phrase things in such a way as to create a false impression of what you’re trying to say. If you don’t want people who haven’t been schooled in evolution to confuse it with abiogenesis, don’t phrase it in such a way that you appear to be doing just that. I would think that if certain would-be ivory tower intellectuals were nearly as smart as they think they are, this would be obvious. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/159 "2010-10-05T05:51:12Z")
You keep repeating that, however you have not show any examples of leftists or scientists saying that, I suspect that it is just the straw man in your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977/160 "2010-10-05T05:59:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You keep repeating that, however you have not show any examples of leftists or scientists saying that, I suspect that it is just the straw man in your mind. Not only that, but Starv never believes anything else that liberals say. To hear him tell it, they’re all drugged-out, poorly-dressed, unhygenic liars. Why the conservaties would choose this one time to take liberals at their word is anyone’s guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-conservative-stupid-making-machine/555977.md?page=9)