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Haha.
Silly bitch.
OK. my first parsing run was a total WTF? Ditto the second and third, couldn’t make hide nor hair.
Then I think "Oh, its like if you told somebody the truth, but phrased it in such a way as to seem like it wasn’t the truth, you create the false impression that you’re not telling the truth when you really are…no, that’s stupid.
Has something to to do with the intellectual snobbery of liberals who don’t gasp in awe at Starving’s Wilford Brimley style stern common sense. That’s a clue.
Oh wait! Its telling the truth, evolution, but you leave off the fancy trimmings, like abiogenesis, then you laugh at them for not knowing about it. No, that’s just omitting, not giving a false impession.
About the only thing left is telling a lie but gving the false impression of truth, but we agree that evolution is the truth, so that doesn’t work. Even if its a smug liberal prick, still doesn’t work.
This sentence is too many for me, I am outnumbered. I fold.
Isn’t this what it all boils down to?
If someone hasn’t been schooled in evolution, why would they have an opinion either way?
If someone hasn’t been schooled in evolution, they should just say that then shut the fuck up.
Nobody does this at all. In fact the different subject are taught in different classes of science. We learned about the big bang/ origin of the earth/ life in earth science, and evolution in biology. I went to Florida public schools which are not known for their excellent standards; about 39th out of 50. Those of us who payed attention learned the difference between the two and had no problem understanding the idea. Our teacher even mentioned the fact that there are a lot of competing scientific ideas about the origins of life and we aren’t certain about it yet. (mid nineties) In biology we learned that evolution was the process of diversification of life and there were some competing ideas about its mechanisms there as well, though it was well understood and we learned the basics.
The people who had trouble were the ones either bored, not paying attention, or busy flipping through their bibles trying to figure out a way to debate the teacher. :smack: We even had many students whose parents wanted them taken out of class for these units.
Rule #1: It’s always “yes, and…” !!
First of all, it isn’t surprising that pertussis cases are showing up in vaccinated people in places like this - vaccination strength wanes over time (thus the need for boosters) and the overall “herd immunity” disappears when large numbers of people refuse to vaccinate or otherwise fail to do so.
Secondly, you are wrong in another respect. My original cite shows that Boulder has low vaccination rates in 2002 - the lowest in Colorado. This hasn’t changed:
This subject is treated in considerable detail here. Note that the author (same author as the original Atlantic article and the author of a book on immunization) does link vaccination resistance to the wellness movement, among other things. It isn’t just restricted to a single school or educational movement, not by a long shot.
It’s neither factual nor logical when you phrase things in such a way as to create a false impression of what you’re trying to say. If you don’t want people who haven’t been schooled in evolution to confuse it with abiogenesis, don’t phrase it in such a way that you appear to be doing just that.
I would think that if certain would-be ivory tower intellectuals were nearly as smart as they think they are, this would be obvious. 
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Well, I don’t mix the two up, schools don’t mix the two up, and I have not seen anyone here mix the two up.
If you, or someone else is not paying attention in class, or is too thick to tell the difference, or is otherwise immune to listening… It’s not really the fault of the instructor then is it?
Teacher: 2 plus 2 is 4
Class: 2 plus 2 is 4
Johnny: 2 plus 2 is 5
Teacher: No, Johnnny, 2 plus 2 is 4
Johnny: It’s not my fault! You were not clear!
Well, I don’t mix the two up, schools don’t mix the two up, and I have not seen anyone here mix the two up.
If you, or someone else is not paying attention in class, or is too thick to tell the difference, or is otherwise immune to listening… It’s not really the fault of the instructor then is it?
Teacher: 2 plus 2 is 4
Class: 2 plus 2 is 4
Johnny: 2 plus 2 is 5
Teacher: No, Johnnny, 2 plus 2 is 4
Johnny: It’s not my fault! You were not clear!
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I would think that if you were the type to pay attention in class, you’d also be the type to pay attention and not screw up your coding so that it looks like I said something that you actually said.
And why are you suddenly limiting the discussion to people in a classroom. According to Kyla’s cite, we’re talking about anywhere from 37% to 68% of the population stating they don’t believe in evolution. Surely these numbers include a great many people years removed from the classroom.
I know that makes it harder to call them stupid for not paying attention in class…but there it is. Not all (or even most) of these people are recent students. And like I said above, most don’t care one way or the other and hardly devoting themselves to studying it. Libs around here get hepped up about it because they think evolution helps them refute the Bible, and since the Bible and its adherents tend to be anti-gay, anti-drug and anti-single parent and anti-promiscuity - all lifestyles championed by “progressives” - it’s become very important to shout it to the rooftops. But the trouble is, most people don’t realize why you’re doing it, and since the question of evolution plays virtually no role in their lives, they pay scant attention to it.
So here we are, where a small group of impassioned Dopers simply can’t believe so many people are ignorant about the vagaries of evolution, while those people themselves couldn’t care less.
Oh, well, c’est la vie…as they say in one of those European countries you’re so inordinately fond of.
Admit it. You’re Glenn Beck, aren’t you?
Funny that SA complained about EP’s coding skills.
Na, I still think it’s Poe’s Law whooshing us all.
Awesome.
And that is bullshit, I wish they couldn’t care less, the problem is that they get to vote and get elected to education positions and they do attempt to change the lessons. It does not matter that they end up humiliated even in court (and by a judge that was appointed by a conservative)
Seeing how medicine is now using evolution theory to develop new cures, it is also silly to continue to excuse willful ignorance.
Nonsense. Cite three people who say “they don’t believe in evolution” and who accept without reservation that modern humans are descended from an apelike precursor species.
Irrelevant. If someone don’t know basic science, that person is an ignoramus, and his blitherings (which do not rise to the level of being meaningful “opinions”) should be ignored by sensible people. Age is irrelevant.
If some people do not recognize ignoramus-hood as a personal failing in need of correction, that is all the more reason to sideline them while the adults grapple with the realities of the world.
No, they don’t. Evolution has as much to say about the Bible as it does abiogenesis. That we evolved says precisely dick about the presence or absence of the Biblical God.
Isn’t it?
When SA was in school, no-one ever had to put a “Kick me” sign on his back, because he did it all by himself. He’s still doing it.
Someone is fond of the French? Cite?