# "Fuck you, Diogenes, you were ignorant and rude. " **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 11, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507 "2008-10-11T20:08:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/1 "2008-10-11T20:08:22Z")
I clicked on the link in **QED** ’s Sig - “Sometimes ignorance fights back. - [FinnAgain](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7103428&postcount=8)” and found that thread. It was a teal deer but one thing that surprised me was people replying to the effect that “Diogenes is ignorant and rude” wasn’t news. It surprises me because I’ve never seen any ignorant or rude behaviour. Maybe I’m not looking at the right posts but to me He’s always been entertaining and one of my favourite dopers. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/2 "2008-10-11T20:11:39Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > It surprises me because I’ve never seen any ignorant or rude behaviour. Maybe I’m not looking at the right posts but to me He’s always been entertaining and one of my favourite dopers. We all have our own definitions of the various adjectives, of course. Beyond that, there’s no actual answer to whatever point you’re trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/3 "2008-10-11T20:13:59Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > We all have our own definitions of the various adjectives, of course. Beyond that, there’s no actual answer to whatever point you’re trying to make. I’m not _trying_ to make a point. I’m making a statement: I am surprised people think he’s ignorant and rude because I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/4 "2008-10-11T20:22:56Z")
Did you even _read_ the linked thread? It was a pitting of Dio for accusing each and every single polyamorous woman of being an emotionally damaged wreck who could only possibly feel as they did if they suffered (probably sexual) abuse. In fact, when a woman offered her experience as a refutation, he actually _accused her of only holding her position because_ “you must have gone through some serious childhood trauma (abandonment, maybe? alcoholic parent? Something worse?)” Dio has a tendency to do that sort of stuff, actually, although I don’t have threads at my fingertips. He gets an idea in his head about a group of people, spouts off ignorant and offensive crap, a tranwreck of a Pit thread develops, and eventually he backtracks a bit under withering fire. Hell, my first Pitting ever was because he actually had the nerve to claim that the US military was “engaged in a campaign of genocide” against Iraq. I’m surprised you don’t know this after posting on the bord for as long as you have. Dio has a reputation for being one of the most stubborn people on the board. Hell, just search the Pit for his numerous pittings. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/5 "2008-10-11T20:25:29Z")
Ummm…way to rush in to **Mr. Cynics** defense to a two and a half year old insult. I guess you were quick enough that most of the participants in the earlier thread are at least likely to still be alive, so I’ll give you that. And if you _really_ want to revisit the old tread, why not quote the OP’s points and say why you think he’s incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/6 "2008-10-11T20:27:50Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Did you even _read_ the linked thread? It was a pitting of Dio for accusing each and every single polyamorous woman of being an emotionally damaged wreck who could only possibly feel as they did if they suffered (probably sexual) abuse. In fact, when a woman offered her experience as a refutation, he actually _accused her of only holding her position because_ “you must have gone through some serious childhood trauma (abandonment, maybe? alcoholic parent? Something worse?)” > > Dio has a tendency to do that sort of stuff, actually, although I don’t have threads at my fingertips. He gets an idea in his head about a group of people, spouts off ignorant and offensive crap, a tranwreck of a Pit thread develops, and eventually he backtracks a bit under withering fire. Hell, my first Pitting ever was because he actually had the nerve to claim that the US military was “engaged in a campaign of genocide” against Iraq. > > I’m surprised you don’t know this after posting on the bord for as long as you have. Dio has a reputation for being one of the most stubborn people on the board. Hell, just search the Pit for his numerous pittings. I didn’t read it because if Diogenes was being rude and ignorant then it would be the only time I’ve seen him be that way. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/7 "2008-10-11T20:36:19Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > I didn’t read it because if Diogenes was being rude and ignorant then it would be the only time I’ve seen him be that way. Ignorance fought then, huh? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/8 "2008-10-11T20:39:25Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > I didn’t read it because if Diogenes was being rude and ignorant then it would be the only time I’ve seen him be that way. So there was a Pit thread with evidence of Dio being both militantly ignorant and shockingly rude, but you didn’t read it, because you haven’t seen him act that way. And you don’t want to search for the other Pit threads where Dio has been pitted for acting exactly that way, either. Although you started off this Pit thread, ostensibly to express puzzlement at why anybody would call Dio ignorant and rude, and said that your ignorance might have been the result of not reading the right posts. So you’re not only ignorant, but willfully so? What exactly are you Pitting, in any case? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/9 "2008-10-11T20:43:14Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > So there was a Pit thread with evidence of Dio being both militantly ignorant and shockingly rude, but you didn’t read it, because you haven’t seen him act that way. And you don’t want to search for the other Pit threads where Dio has been pitted for acting exactly that way, either. Although you started off this Pit thread, ostensibly to express puzzlement at why anybody would call Dio ignorant and rude, and said that your ignorance might have been the result of not reading the right posts. > > So you’re not only ignorant, but willfully so? > > What exactly are you Pitting, in any case? I know my case is weak but: I guess I was surprised because I’d never seen any of it PREVIOUS to this thread. I’m not being deliberately ignorant. I am expressing surprise that someone I’d never perceived to be ignorant and rude was being so, and also surprise that it’s **apparently common knowledge**. There’s nothing willfully ignorant about that. And it’s not a pit. I guess it’s in the pit because that’s where the other one was. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/10 "2008-10-11T20:50:22Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > I know my case is weak but: I guess I was surprised because I’d never seen any of it PREVIOUS to this thread. It’s a large board, I suppose. > [@Lobsang](#): > > I’m not being deliberately ignorant. I am expressing surprise that someone I’d never perceived to be ignorant and rude was being so, and also surprise that it’s **apparently common knowledge**. There’s nothing willfully ignorant about that. Yes there is, since you’re refusing to look at all the previous, searchable examples of Dio being pitted for exactly that behavior. You are, by your own admission, ignorant of why Dio might be viewed as ignorant and rude. You have deliberately not read a thread which gave _an excellent reason_ for someone to think Dio was ignorant and rude, a thread you linked to in your own OP. After being informed that there were _several_ similar Pit threads, you have refused to look for those, either. What on Earth is that other than being ignorant of something and wilfully deciding not to clear up your ignorance? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/11 "2008-10-11T20:58:37Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > I know my case is weak but: I guess I was surprised because I’d never seen any of it PREVIOUS to this thread. I’m not being deliberately ignorant. I am expressing surprise that someone I’d never perceived to be ignorant and rude was being so, and also surprise that it’s **apparently common knowledge**. There’s nothing willfully ignorant about that. Dio’s pretty prolific, not just making a lot of posts, but hitting a lot of different threads. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s posted in more than 75% of the board’s threads. So you not seeing this behavior is pretty surprising. On the other hand, I agree with Dio a good portion of the time. I only notice the ignorant and rude side because when I disagree with what he writes, it’s such a complete 180 from what I believe that it amazes me a person would seriously say that. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/12 "2008-10-11T21:06:31Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Yes there is, since you’re refusing to look at all the previous, searchable examples of Dio being pitted for exactly that behavior. You are, by your own admission, ignorant of why Dio might be viewed as ignorant and rude. > You have deliberately not read a thread which gave _an excellent reason_ for someone to think Dio was ignorant and rude, a thread you linked to in your own OP. After being informed that there were _several_ similar Pit threads, you have refused to look for those, either. > > What on Earth is that other than being ignorant of something and wilfully deciding not to clear up your ignorance? I stand corrected. I am being willfully ignorant by willfully not reading those threads. It’s not because I don’t want to see them. It’s just that I don’t have the patience to read what is a long and linky OP with lots and lots of things to read linked from it. BUT I am not willfuly ignorant in the sense that I am somehow refusing to accept that Diogenes might have been rude and ignorant in many threads. I stand by my statement and my point that I’d not seen any ignorance or rudeness BEFORE. I’ve seen it now! Just not before. And a general question: Is he ignorant and rude in the same way that Bill Maher is an ‘Asshole’ (which I also think is untrue based on what I’ve seen) Or is he just an entertaining person who CAN be ignorant and rude at times (Just like I can be a bit stupid and lacking in pre-thinking an action) ETA: Also there were no actual quotes. Just links. So not realizing they were links to single posts I didn’t click on them because I thought I’d have to scroll through some enormous thread to find what the OP was refering to. Now I know better. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/13 "2008-10-11T21:16:41Z")
Right, having read it all. Diogenes was a dick to one person, but generally hostile towards Polygamists (not on the board) and thinks women who agree to do porn or be part of a polygamous relation might not be healthy women and might have had some trauma in their childhood. My response to that is it’s a very weak argument. A perfectly normal childhood can lead to an unusual adulthood. But also a traumatic childhood is likely to lead to a strange adulthood. And I guess it can be considered ignorant and rude. But I had never seen it before and I WAS surprised to learn not only IT, but that IT is common knowledge. THIS thread was a bad ill-thought-out idea. I admit that ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/14 "2008-10-11T23:03:54Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > THIS thread was a bad ill-thought-out idea. I admit that ☹ Well, all right, then. Now… what the fuck is a “teal deer” ? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/15 "2008-10-11T23:24:24Z")
[Tee El, Dee, eRrrrrr](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teal+deer) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/16 "2008-10-11T23:43:55Z")
God bless the Urban Dictionary. That and the Encyclopedia Dramatica are all one really needs to be an erudite Renaissance man. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/17 "2008-10-11T23:45:50Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Now… what the fuck is a “teal deer” ? TLDR. Too long, didn’t read. A pointless comment expressing nothing more than the fact that one did not read a post because it was too long. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/18 "2008-10-12T00:00:31Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > A pointless comment expressing nothing more than the fact that one did not read a post [See also, irony.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10304139&postcount=15) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/19 "2008-10-12T00:56:07Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > …THIS thread was a bad ill-thought-out idea. I admit that ☹ When your hearts in the right place and you’re making an effort, even your mistakes go on the plus side of the ledger. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes-you-were-ignorant-and-rude/467507/20 "2008-10-14T08:07:26Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Did you even _read_ the linked thread? It was a pitting of Dio for accusing each and every single polyamorous woman of being an emotionally damaged wreck who could only possibly feel as they did if they suffered (probably sexual) abuse. In fact, when a woman offered her experience as a refutation, he actually _accused her of only holding her position because_ “you must have gone through some serious childhood trauma (abandonment, maybe? alcoholic parent? Something worse?)” Sadly, this is an all-too-common theme with Dio. Although, it usually manifests itself thusly: **OP:** My neighbor’s children are acting kinda strange. Should I be concerned? **Dio:** CALL CPS!!! THEY’RE BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED!! CALL CPS!!! At least he didn’t accuse her of [having a brain tumor!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=476503)