# Fuck you Diogenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2004, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717 "2004-11-03T10:48:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/21 "2004-11-03T13:46:05Z")
You guys are gonna think I’m crazy, but cut poor **Dio** some slack. There is much about him that is good. If he reacts with much more ire than the average bear, it may just be because feels pain and outrage that much more than the average bear. I don’t think it’s easy being him. :: **SA** ducks and covers :: ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/22 "2004-11-03T14:04:41Z")
I think it was Mark Crispin Miller who said (I’m paraphrasing): “When fascism comes to this country it’s not going to be wearing a toothbrush mustache and a luger in its belt and go goosestepping around the malls. That was Germany. When fascism comes to this country it’s going to have an American flag pin in its lapel and a cross hanging from its neck and it’s going to appear absolutely 100% American and Patriotic.” I’m scared too. I honestly think that this country is headed towards some new flavor of fascism (In that fascism is corporatism wedded to blind jingoism fed by vilification of an outgroup – exactly what bushco has delivered). No, Bush isn’t as bad as Hitler. But he’s at least as bad as Moussolini. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/23 "2004-11-03T14:07:01Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You guys are gonna think I’m crazy, but cut poor **Dio** some slack. There is much about him that is good. If he reacts with much more ire than the average bear, it may just be because feels pain and outrage that much more than the average bear. I don’t think it’s easy being him. Wow, **Starving Artist** , I actually agree with you on something. I feel pain and outrage as well, mostly because I live in a country so full of fucking morons. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/24 "2004-11-03T14:12:17Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > and what’s with this **the Cynic** business. We get the reference OK? Plain **Diogenes** is just fine. Just plain Diogenes was taken when I registered. ---
**Author:** ![MMI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@MMI](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MMI)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/25 "2004-11-03T14:14:54Z")
One minor quibble to add (here, because all of the other threads where this is being discussed are proceeding handily on-topic): Hitler was never elected to nothin’ in a contested election. The Nazi’s (with their allied parties) were never more than a plurality and Hitler was not a candidate. He was appointed to high office by Hindenburg. NOT ELECTED. (I personally consider the comparison to be both pointlessly inaccurate and over-the-top alienating and offensive. If you wish to compare Bush to historical German leaders I think Kaiser Wilhelm II works really well. (heck, I could probably write dickety-odd paragraphs on the subject (I’d say twenty but the Kaiser stole twenty from us))) ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/26 "2004-11-03T14:21:24Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Just plain Diogenes was taken when I registered. I apologise most profoundly. FWIW, my preferred name was also unavailable. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/27 "2004-11-03T14:22:08Z")
I’ll stick with Hitler. The comparisons are more apt. Illegal invasions, death camps, naked bigotry, demands for mindless, fascistic devotion. Hitler was smarter and more charismatic, though. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/28 "2004-11-03T14:24:28Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’ll stick with Hitler. The comparisons are more apt. Illegal invasions, death camps, naked bigotry, demands for mindless, fascistic devotion. Hitler was smarter and more charismatic, though. DEATH camps?? What the hell are you smoking tonight? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/29 "2004-11-03T14:29:53Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’ll stick with Hitler. The comparisons are more apt. Illegal invasions, death camps, naked bigotry, demands for mindless, fascistic devotion. Hitler was smarter and more charismatic, though. I’m onto you now, sly fox. I can’t believe it took me so long. See you in other threads. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/30 "2004-11-03T14:31:29Z")
> [@Silentgoldfish](#): > > DEATH camps?? What the hell are you smoking tonight? Yeah, that was over the top. They’re not Auscwitz, they’re Stalag 13. Except our Colonel Klink is far less bright. ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/31 "2004-11-03T14:41:57Z")
So I’m guessing this would be a bad time to insinuate that Bush might be the anti-Christ? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/32 "2004-11-03T14:44:26Z")
> [@yellowval](#): > > So I’m guessing this would be a bad time to insinuate that Bush might be the anti-Christ? 😉 Yup, since you’d be late. Should have been here Jan 19, 2001 :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/33 "2004-11-03T14:45:46Z")
**continuity eror** , Hitler didn’t go to election on the genocide ticket. It isn’t clear how much the German people knew of the Final Solution, but it’s clear that it wasn’t official policy and common knowledge. **MMI** , Hitler was elected and managed to get enough of a majority that he could change the constitution and turn himself into a dictator. But he _was_ elected. Oh, and **Diogenes** would do well to calm down. ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/34 "2004-11-03T14:58:03Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Yup, since you’d be late. Should have been here Jan 19, 2001 :smack: Cite? I’m assuming there was a thread on the topic. And before 9/11, too? Sounds like an interesting read! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/35 "2004-11-03T15:04:05Z")
> [@Silentgoldfish](#): > > DEATH camps?? What the hell are you smoking tonight? The Bushies want to install a [“death chamber”](http://www.prisonplanet.com/us_plans_for_executions_at_guantanamo.htm) at Gitmo and then start having secret trials and assembly line executions. ---
**Author:** ![booka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@booka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/booka)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/36 "2004-11-03T15:04:29Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’ll stick with Hitler. The comparisons are more apt. Illegal invasions, death camps, naked bigotry, demands for mindless, fascistic devotion. Hitler was smarter and more charismatic, though. You just don’t know when to shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/37 "2004-11-03T16:58:28Z")
**Diogenes** , any reference to Hitler is extremely loaded and is bound to offend many people–as you can already see–and possibly hurt some of them. Comparing Bush to Hitler demonstrates a lack of sensitivity about the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/38 "2004-11-03T17:02:28Z")
I would just like to say that, as a leftist, **Diogenes** does not speak for me, in fact, he’s embarassing me right now. However, I’m extremely pissed off about the election right now, and I too feel like throwing a tantrum. I’m not going to, but I won’t say it wouldn’t feel damn good. ---
**Author:** ![beergeek279](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@beergeek279](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beergeek279)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/39 "2004-11-03T17:30:41Z")
As a libertarian (whose biggest regret was that one of these guys was gonna win and neither one was a victory), I admit that I was kinda hoping that Kerry would win, since he would gridlock with Congress (not supermajority, of course…would destroy the whole idea) and each party’s worst ideas would nullify each other out, and now I can hope that this election might just give Bush pause in destroying civil liberties (not to mention that the executive branch can have a big influence on social liberty but that fiscal liberty is generally controlled more by Congress.) That said, I have to admit that it was people like **Dio** that made me NOT want to support Kerry in any way…the tinfoil-like pronounciations of things such as “most of the country are inherently idiots” and a martial law imposition on November 2nd (not to mention the Hitler references) just frightened me away from any support. I don’t know…maybe if I’d spent a lot of time on FreeRepublic, things may have been different, but I was on the Straight Dope. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/40 "2004-11-03T17:36:31Z")
Bah! It’s perfectly valid to compair Bush to Hitler. They’re both boys. They’ve both lead powerful nations. They both enjoyed Scrabble. Hitler had a moustash, and Bush doesn’t, but I bet Bush could grow one if he wanted. They both have H’s in their last name. See? They’re practically twins! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717.md?page=3)