# Fuck you Diogenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2004, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717 "2004-11-03T10:48:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/41 "2004-11-03T17:50:57Z")
You know who else didn’t respond with grace or class when his side lost? Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/42 "2004-11-03T18:02:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Just plain Diogenes was taken when I registered. And the mods wouldn’t let him have Diogenes the Asshole. Jesus, man. You always been a bit over the top, but it seems you have utterly lost your sense of perspective. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/43 "2004-11-03T18:27:39Z")
> [@Roland Orzabal](#): > > I had one hell of a post whipped up a few minutes ago detailing the length of my emotional reaction to Bush’s victory. We’ll put it this way: I ain’t happy about it. I wrote the post, I titled it, I hovered the mouse over “Submit Thread”…and then I slowly backed away from the computer, reread what I had written, copied it to the clipboard, and waited for my cooler head to prevail. You too, huh? I had a good one all put together, then I just C & P’d it into an e-mail and saved it. Like a gun in a holster, or the shotgun in the closet, it’s probably best that it stays there. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/44 "2004-11-03T18:30:33Z")
> [@Uncle Beer](#): > > And the mods wouldn’t let him have Diogenes the Asshole. Ha! Seriously, the comparison sort of has that " I’m late for my appointment at the rubber ramada" feel to it. ---
**Author:** ![wisernow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@wisernow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wisernow)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/45 "2004-11-03T19:23:42Z")
As a non-American, I tend to agree with DtC, not in the true sense that Hitler=Bush, but for the many similarities that are evident. Hitler brought war to the world, Bush has set out on that path and there is no knowing where the war monger is headed, where he will stop, and what evil he will do. They are both evil! It is a sad day for America and and even sadder day for the world! As they say history has seen massive and powerul empires falling to dust, sometimes I think that maybe the time has come and this is how America is going eventually destroy itself. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/46 "2004-11-03T19:34:30Z")
> [@beergeek279](#): > > That said, I have to admit that it was people like **Dio** that made me NOT want to support Kerry in any way…the tinfoil-like pronounciations of things such as “most of the country are inherently idiots” and a martial law imposition on November 2nd (not to mention the Hitler references) just frightened me away from any support. You should rethink this. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/47 "2004-11-03T19:42:04Z")
> [@wisernow](#): > > As a non-American, I tend to agree with DtC, not in the true sense that Hitler=Bush, but for the many similarities that are evident. Hitler brought war to the world, Bush has set out on that path and there is no knowing where the war monger is headed, where he will stop, and what evil he will do. They are both evil! It is a sad day for America and and even sadder day for the world! As they say history has seen massive and powerul empires falling to dust, sometimes I think that maybe the time has come and this is how America is going eventually destroy itself. Sad. See, that’s just it. **Doggy Knees** may be off the deep end with a comparison to Hitler, but we may very well be looking at the New American Fascism. A lot of the warning signs are there. And maybe we’re not – maybe I’m just being paranoid. But I think we’d be smart to keep an eye on things. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/48 "2004-11-03T19:48:59Z")
No, **Worldeater** , listen to **beergeek**. It’s people like **Dio** calling every conservative a racist, homophobic asshole that may have cost Kerry the election. It’s people like **Dio** calling every conservative an ignorant religious fruitcake that may have cost Kerry the election. It’s people like **Dio** calling every conservative a Nazi that may have cost Kerry the election. Every time I turn on HBO, I get Bill fuckling Maher and his hand-picked panel of liberal wankers (with one token conservative getting shouted down to make him feel “fair and balanced”) telling me that anyone who supports Bush is an idiot, a moron, the dumbest fucking goober that ever drew breath, a racist, a homophobe, a Nazi, and every bad epithet that the liberal arsenal has at its disposal. Bush at 51%? Shit. I honestly thought that it would be higher than that. In a way, I kind of admire **Dio’s** “Fuck you; I give you nothing! NOTHING!” attitude. But only to a very limited extent. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/49 "2004-11-03T19:56:59Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > It’s people like **Dio** calling every conservative a racist, homophobic asshole that may have cost Kerry the election. > > It’s people like **Dio** calling every conservative an ignorant religious fruitcake that may have cost Kerry the election. > > It’s people like **Dio** calling every conservative a Nazi that may have cost Kerry the election. Do you really believe that? That people voted for Bush simply because a few liberals were whiny? I don’t buy it for a second. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/50 "2004-11-03T20:04:13Z")
I haven’t called anybody a racist. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/51 "2004-11-03T20:44:55Z")
**Dio:** If you say you haven’t, then I apologize for implying that _you_ have. But it _is_ people _like you_ (clearly bitterly disappointed and rancorously partisan) that have, here on the SDMB and around the _world_ today. My eloquence has left me (I’m approaching Message Board Burnout), but **Liberal** summed up my feeling nicely [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5447487&postcount=26) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/52 "2004-11-03T20:51:30Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I haven’t called anybody a racist. From this thread: [Congratulations to Bush and his supporters](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284482&page=3) > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > You voted for a guy you knew to be a bigot. You can’t clean that off of yourselves. You couldn’t vote for a guy in a Klan robe and then say, “well, I disagree with the cross burning and the yellow triangles for Jews amendment but I agree with other stuff.” > > You voted for a guy in a Klan robe and you’re going to have to own that. ---
**Author:** ![Chastain86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/53 "2004-11-03T20:52:39Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I haven’t called anybody a racist. I beg to differ. Quote yours, bolding mine: > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’ll stick with Hitler. The comparisons are more apt. Illegal invasions, death camps, **naked bigotry,** demands for mindless, fascistic devotion. Hitler was smarter and more charismatic, though. Unless you’d care to argue that calling someone a big isn’t the same as calling someone a racist. And while we’re at it, you need to highlight the portion of that linked article that points to definitive proof that the U.S. plans to carry out executions. AFAI can see, the only “proof” The Guardian can dredge up is the sentiment that a courtroom is being built on the premises. The executions are simply conjecture on the part of the author, and the article bears no facts to back up the claim. Propping up a stupid point against a shoddy tabloid article is shaky at best, cousin. You’d do best to cut your losses, stop talking, and wait until this thread blows over. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/54 "2004-11-03T20:57:56Z")
Chin up, **Dio**. I share both you passion and concerns about the future of America under the new Bush mandate. I am simply amazed – and more than a bit disgusted – that your countrymen and women would ultimately reward the criminal behavior of this Administration and the ensuing chaos it has brought to the world by legitimizing his regime. For as much as during the past four years there was always the excuse “well, Americans didn’t put him there,” that is obviously gone now. America has gone off the deep end, its head buried in an imaginary a world of fear and loathing where the only defense is religious fervor _and_ bombs galore. State terrorism sanctioned by the masses and The Almighty, with Bush the hand-picked representative of the latter. Is it any wonder, given the above, that they can afford to “create their own reality”? Grim picture and tough and bloody times ahead no doubt. Ironically, it appears that you’ll be losing many of those very ‘freedoms’ you’re supposedly ‘spreading throughout the world.’ That US as a police state, who would have thunk it just a short five years ago? All that said, allow yourself all the time you need to grieve and express your frustrations. But once you do get it out of your system – and you will, for its a dead-end road and you’re too smart not to realize that it leads nowhere – you need to come back, stronger than ever. For it is _precisely_ Americans such as yourself that the rest of the world is counting on as allies to put and end to this insanity. And we will, my friend, we will. They may have won this battle, but this war’s only just begun. Sooner or later, BushCo is going down. You can only defy reality for so long – as Hitler found out in the end. Remember, you are not alone – in fact, quite the opposite. You’re part of a great majority. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/55 "2004-11-03T21:00:18Z")
You know, normally, I don’t join in on thses PIT bashings. I don’t like the ruel that the PIT can be used to flame other posters. But gawd, dude- DtC- you have gone way, way too far. Are you off your meds or something? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/56 "2004-11-03T21:05:33Z")
> [@Chastain86](#): > > Unless you’d care to argue that calling someone a big isn’t the same as calling someone a racist. There are types of bigotry that are not racial. One can be bigoted towards people of a certain sexual orientation, for instance. Or towards practitioners (or non-practitioners) of a particular religion. I suspect that is what **Dio** meant with his charges of bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/57 "2004-11-03T21:06:37Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Do you really believe that? That people voted for Bush simply because a few liberals were whiny? I don’t buy it for a second. Absolutely. I personally know several anyone-but-a-Liberal voters. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/58 "2004-11-03T21:14:58Z")
> [@Chastain86](#): > > I beg to differ. Quote yours, bolding mine: > Unless you’d care to argue that calling someone a big isn’t the same as calling someone a racist. Calling someone a bigot is absolutely not the same thing as calling someone a racist. from [www.m-w.com](http://www.m-w.com) Main Entry: big·ot Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices i.e.: Gays and straights don’t have the same rights. Absolutely nothing to do with race. Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi- Function: noun 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination - rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/59 "2004-11-03T21:15:11Z")
> [@ShockingAlberto](#): > > It’s the emotion of the moment right now. _choke_ _cough_ The _moment_?! Hasn’t Diogenes been riding this pony for some time, now? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717/60 "2004-11-03T21:15:16Z")
> [@John Corrado](#): > > From this thread: [Congratulations to Bush and his supporters](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284482&page=3) To be fair, \*\*Dio \*\*called BUSH a racist, by implication, but I think he meant that he didn’t call any posters here racist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-diogenes/272717.md?page=4)