# Fuck you, Disney! (Star-Wars-related) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091 "2014-04-27T02:40:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/21 "2014-04-27T06:26:55Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …because it was. > > And now it isn’t. > > It really isn’t too hard to understand. What? According to whom? The Wikipedia entry on this topic confirms my thinking that, at the very VERY least, the position by those in charge of the franchise is not nearly as simple as you make it out to be here. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/22 "2014-04-27T06:53:06Z")
Yeesh! I’m a _Star Wars_ fan and SF geek from 'way back, but I’ve never read most of the EU stuff. To me, this is a Fight about the Shadow of a Bantha. (Sixteen points for those who can identify the reference) ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/23 "2014-04-27T07:03:29Z")
No Christina Hendricks as Mara Jade?! I’m on board wih he OP. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/24 "2014-04-27T07:32:35Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > What? According to whom? The Wikipedia entry on this topic confirms my thinking that, at the very VERY least, the position by those in charge of the franchise is not nearly as simple as you make it out to be here. > **[Star Wars in other media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon)** > > Star Wars has been expanded to media other than the original films. This spin-off material is licensed and moderated by Lucasfilm, though during his involvement with the franchise Star Wars creator George Lucas reserved the right to both draw from and contradict it in his own works. Such derivative works have been produced concurrently with, between, and after the original, prequel, and sequel trilogies, as well as the spin-off films and television series. Commonly explored Star Wars media inc... > [@](#): > > In 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity tracking database referred to as the “Holocron”.[6] As with every other aspect having to do with the overall story of Star Wars, the Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years. > [@](#): > > C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon. > [@](#): > > On August 4, 2004, when asked if the G and C-levels formed separate and independent canon, Chee responded by stating that both were part of a single canon: "There is one overall continuity. …the EU was canon. Now it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/25 "2014-04-27T07:46:50Z")
Wait, people cared about the extended universe? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/26 "2014-04-27T07:53:36Z")
When has an EU ever been honored by screenwriters? Last I checked, no matter what the franchise, EU is never canon. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/27 "2014-04-27T07:59:08Z")
I think it’s adorable that they think, in the age of tumblr, what the IP owner says is canon matters. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/28 "2014-04-27T08:16:16Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …the EU was canon. Now it isn’t. The stuff your quoting just says the EU has its own canon and is kept in continuity with itself and the films. But there’s a big block quote in the middle of it all from GL in 2005 saying he doesn’t intend to keep the films in continuity with the EU stuff. He’s been pretty consistent in that since at least the 90’s. And really, given the scope of all the extra SW stuff, there was no way they were going to force their screenwriters to try and work around it all. Just reading it would take five years (and given the varying quality of the SW stuff, four of those years would kinda suck). Most long-running franchises seem to go the “alternative universe” route at one point or another for more or less the same reason. > [@adaher](#): > > When has an EU ever been honored by screenwriters? Last I checked, no matter what the franchise, EU is never canon. Yea, I think calling it “Extended Universe” sort of suggests your not going to stick to it. That’s why its not just…“universe” ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/29 "2014-04-27T08:17:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > When has an EU ever been honored by screenwriters? Last I checked, no matter what the franchise, EU is never canon. …EU was canon, prioritised as per the link I posted above. G-canon over-ruled everything: if it happened on screen it over-ruled everything. C-canon was assumed to be canon unless contradicted by G or T canon. These rules have been in place (by authorised Lucas representatives) for a very long time. There had to be a way of ranking the canon and Leland Chee’s Holocron was the way they did it: until now of course. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/30 "2014-04-27T08:21:34Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > But there’s a big block quote in the middle of it all from GL in 2005 saying he doesn’t intend to keep the films in continuity with the EU stuff. He’s been pretty consistent in that since at least the 90’s. …and? Lucasfilm (by way of Lucas Licencing) actually determined the canon rules which author and fans have been using over the last few years. GL could have stepped in at any time to lay down new rules, but he didn’t. Until now. Hence the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/31 "2014-04-27T08:22:47Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > I just heard Timothy Zahn speak last week at Awesome Con in DC and this issue came up. He didn’t seem to be particularly bothered by it. His idea was that the stories are all legends and as such, sometimes things are remembered incorrectly in part, or even are entirely myths with no basis at all in history. Translation: his checks cleared. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/32 "2014-04-27T08:25:29Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …EU was canon, prioritised as per the link I posted above. G-canon over-ruled everything: if it happened on screen it over-ruled everything. C-canon was assumed to be canon unless contradicted by G or T canon. > > These rules have been in place (by authorised Lucas representatives) for a very long time. There had to be a way of ranking the canon and Leland Chee’s Holocron was the way they did it: until now of course. So the new G-canon is overriding the C-canon. Which means the system works. So what is it you’re complaining about? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/33 "2014-04-27T08:31:25Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So the new G-canon is overriding the C-canon. Which means the system works. Technically, I think this is D-canon. A-canon? There needs to be a new term, as G is Gone. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/34 "2014-04-27T08:32:56Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So the new G-canon is overriding the C-canon. Which means the system works. > > So what is it you’re complaining about? …I’m sorry, have I actually complained in this thread? I thought my first post in this thread was a celebration! I’m not complaining. I’m explaining. Fighting ignorance, and all that. You assertion is incorrect by the way. G-canon does not override C-canon anymore. C-canon is simply no longer canon. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/35 "2014-04-27T08:33:59Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …and? Lucasfilm (by way of Lucas Licencing) actually determined the canon rules which author and fans have been using over the last few years. GL could have stepped in at any time to lay down new rules, but he didn’t. Until now. Hence the OP. The rule is that the films over-rule the EU stuff, which is what’s happening. Indeed, the fact that the rule is that way suggests pretty strongly that they knew they might do this at some point. Again, I think they’ve been pretty open about the fact that this would happen if they decided to make more movies. I don’t really follow SW stuff very closely compared to a lot of other people, (I’ve read one book, played one video game and watched the cartoon) and that’s what I understood the policy to be. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/36 "2014-04-27T08:52:40Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The rule is that the films over-rule the EU stuff, which is what’s happening. Indeed, the fact that the rule is that way suggests pretty strongly that they knew they might do this at some point. …again to be clear: its not just the matter of films over-ruling EU in canon. EU is no longer canon. Personally I pretty much ignored the EU. There were plenty of decisions made that I thought were horrible. Characters like Thrawn and Mara Jade were very awesome though, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see them introduced into the new movies somehow. I have less faith in J.J. Abrams. I personally don’t like the direction he has taken the Star Trek franchise and now he is in charge of two of the most iconic franchises ever made: which worries me. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/37 "2014-04-27T09:37:09Z")
I was already expecting this movie to suck, because J.J. Abrams is a hack that walks like a man. I would only have declared parts of the EU uncanon, but we _are_ better off without fuckers like Traviss. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/38 "2014-04-27T09:43:56Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …again to be clear: its not just the matter of films over-ruling EU in canon. EU is no longer canon. It’s its own canon, which so far as I can tell, was always the case. > [@](#): > > I have less faith in J.J. Abrams. I personally don’t like the direction he has taken the Star Trek franchise and now he is in charge of two of the most iconic franchises ever made: which worries me. I didn’t like the new ST films either. But SW seems like it suits Abrams style a lot more then Trek, so I remain (probably foolishly) optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/39 "2014-04-27T10:36:21Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > It’s its own canon, which so far as I can tell, was always the case. …well technically everything is its own canon. EU is now no longer part of continuity as it used to be. It is something else now. And I agree: Star Wars fits JJ Abrams style would suit Star Wars better. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/40 "2014-04-27T11:03:46Z")
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