# Fuck you, Disney! (Star-Wars-related) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091 "2014-04-27T02:40:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Shoujin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoujin/32/3884_2.png) [@Shoujin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoujin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/61 "2014-04-27T16:36:44Z")
I’ve read/followed most of the extended universe, so I’m sad to see Disney discard it. That being said, I’m still interested in what they’re going to put out. Really, this was the only way to do it and keep the next series of movies a complete secret. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/62 "2014-04-27T16:53:42Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > This is a GREAT example of the bizarre entitlement attitude many geeks (across many fandoms) have. And I say this as someone still annoyed with the changes Lucas made to the original trilogy. > > Being a geek about anything inherently means being emotionally connected/attached to it. That’s awesome - it means you get a lot of entertainment and happiness out of it. _But your emotional connection does not mean YOU have ANY ownership of it_. You wouldn’t know that if you went by how (many but not all) geeks react when they don’t like something that happens in {fandom}. How dare they??? They’re fucking morons!!! They just ruined the entire {fandom} universe!!! They need to get fucked by a cactus!!! > > Grow.up. The reason your fandom exists is that people worked their asses off to create something amazing. Now you want to hobble their creativity so they do everything exactly as you would like it. What if they don’t want to? What if they NEVER wanted to go in that direction? > > There’s no problem with disagreeing with a creative choice. Of course that’s going to happen. Extended debates about it can be interesting, too. But acting like they have an obligation _to you personally_ is narcissistic and self absorbed. It assumes every fan agrees with your opinions or that your opinions are the only valid ones. > > Just treat the EU as an AU. What’s so hard or terrible about that? This is the problem with a lot of serious geeks in general. People get so obsessed with a media, that it becomes a part of who they are. They’re not someone who like’s Star Wars, they are a Star Wars _fan_/Trekkie/Whovian/etc. They get so attached to their memory and vision of it, that any deviation is seen as a collossal betrayal. They get _way_ too wrapped up in making it their identity. There are a ton of ‘Post Secret’ posts that are some variation of “I base my whole life on [science fiction show]”. -Fans of _supernatural_ obsessed the main characters are gay for each other, and actually hostile toward the actors’ wives. -Bronies in their thirties convinced that Lauren Faust made _My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic_ for them and not for little girls and hostile to the idea that the show was mainly aimed at young audiences. -People who still think _Firefly_ will get rebooted someday. You know, my wife and I watched the film _Misery_ the other night on TV. My wife had never seen it. While watching it, she turns to me and says, "If they remade this movie in 2014, it would probably be Kathy Bates’ character as some massive Star Wars nerd holding George Lucas hostage 😛 " ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/63 "2014-04-27T17:37:55Z")
Well, just because EU material isn’t canon, doesn’t mean the writers can’t take something they like from it, they’re just not obligated to. The OP’s article mentioned a couple things have found their way into the movies. And the Borg Cube takes the Death Star. The Borg have sensors, would immediately see the big laser charging up, and simply move out of the way. It’s designed to hit planets, not track a ship that can pop in and out of hyperspace. A few drones transported onto the DS and it’s assimilation time. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/64 "2014-04-27T17:47:14Z")
Oh, look, there’s a little space over here that no one has shat on yet. Here, let me: I decided a decade or so back that I was being unbearably snobbish by sneering at Star Wars books when I hadn’t even read any of them. After doing some research, I found that the Thrawn trilogy was widely regarded as the best of the best of the books, so I picked them up and read them. I found them to be just barely located on this side of intolerable. Seriously - one typo might have been enough to push them over the edge and cause me to chuck them in the trash. So not only is the extended universe not canon - it’s all incredibly poorly written, too. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/65 "2014-04-27T18:21:15Z")
> [@Morelin](#): > > I’m pretty sure Lucas himself said they were never going to be canon when he let the authors start writing them. …I’m pretty sure I’ve already addressed that. Lucasfilm hired someone who’s job it was to address continuity and canon. Which is what this guy did: and he did it extremely well until yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/66 "2014-04-27T18:24:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ok. > > And now some stuff is going to happen on film that will overrule C-canon. So what’s the problem again? > > I mean, you just admitted that. …I’ve already stated there is no problem! Are you unable to read my posts Bricker? C-canon is no longer canon: so it is not going to be over-ruled. It is not canon any more. It previously existed in continuity, and now it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/67 "2014-04-27T18:28:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > **Banquet Bear** : > > In the EU, the leader of the pre-Empire Senate was referred to in many different works as “The President of the Senate.” But in “Phantom Menace,” we learn his title is actually “Supreme Chancellor.” Thus proving the EU was not canon. > > In the EU, Raith Sienar gave Grand Moff Tarkin the plans for the Death Star. In actuality, that was false: in “Attack of the Clones,” it was clearly the Geonosians giving the plans to Count Dooku (Tyranus) to take to Chancellor Palpatine (Siduous). Thus proving the EU was utterly wrong, and therefore not canon. Same objection to the superlasing beam (in the EU developed by Lemelisk). > > In the EU, the Clone Masters were the opponents of the Republic in the Clone Wars. Wrong! It was the Separatists. > > The EU said the the Republic fought in the Great Sith War. Except not, since in Attack of the Clones we learn that there hasn’t BEEN a full scale war since the creation if the Republic. > > In short: the prequel films laid waste to a whole bunch of EU “canon but not.” Disney is not any more obligated to follow EU fake canon than that. > > Or do you take the position that the prequel films are themselves not canon? …what the hell are you talking about? EU was canon because Lucasfilm said it was. They hired a guy to keep it all consistent and he set the rules. Obviously inconsistencies popped up over time: but that doesn’t “prove” that the EU wasn’t canon, or the films weren’t canon. As of yesterday the EU is no longer canon. I’m not arguing for one way or the other. I’m explaining what the situation was: as people keep on getting it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/68 "2014-04-27T18:33:36Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You were expecting the new movies to be adaptations of 20-year-old novels and comic books they don’t own the rights to? Huh? They DO own the rights to them. They own the rights to the _Star Wars_ franchise now, thus they technically own the rights to anything connected, like works published in connection with them. As for the canon, the rule was always the movies came first, then the books (as long as they didn’t contradict anything in the movies). So yes, the books WERE indeed considered canon. Like I said, not a HUGE deal, but it does mean that some loose ends won’t be tied up (Like the Mortis plot? Or possibly Ben finding out about his mother’s family? And no Wraith Squadron!) So this kinda sucks. I don’t think the fans “own” the franchise. Just that it sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/69 "2014-04-27T18:49:13Z")
On the other hand, in the extended Whedonverse (EW), [everything is canon](http://www.cracked.com/video_18775_8-mind-blowing-connections-between-works-joss-whedon.html), even stories produced by different studios with no connection to each other. And in the end, it is all a plot by Dr. Horrible, as influenced by Don John, thereby linking the Whedonverse to the entire canon of Shakespeare and by thence to nearly all of Western literature. So…Shakespeare/Whedon (and by association, Akira Kurosawa, who Lucas has often attempted, poorly, to copy from/pay homage to) wins the thread. What were we talking about again? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/70 "2014-04-27T18:53:35Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > What were we talking about again? Ewoks. And Jar-Jar. Can we make both of them not canon? Actually, has anyone noticed the similarity between Jar-Jar and Jay-Jay? Huh? Coincidence? I wonder… ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/71 "2014-04-27T19:26:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Ewoks. And Jar-Jar. Can we make both of them not canon? Never happened. They were both just fantastical hallucinations brought on by psychic oversimulation of midichlorians by Vita-Rays which the Emperor used to unsuccessfully attempt to breed a race of super soldiers. Instead, he ended up with the malformed creatures which were so defective he had to hide them underneath ineffectual plastic ‘armor’ and refer to as ‘stormtroopers’ in the vain hope that someone would be convinced to fear them despite their total inability to hit any target even with a barrage of fire and were so vulneranble to attack that even a glancing blow would cause the to explode like roman candle, no doubt due to the fact that their reactive armor plating was build backwards, resulting in a catastophic, cascading inward blast. That Luke Skywalker, a marginally talented farmhand could defeat entire hordes of stormtroopers despite having only a paltry amount of training from a nearly blind, self-professed “Jedi Master” who allowed his entire school to be destoyed due to a complete lack of perception, argues for stormtroopers and the Empire in general being completely ineffectual and incompetent. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/72 "2014-04-27T20:18:59Z")
The ewoks were awesome, and anyone who says otherwise I’d an imperial sympathizer ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/73 "2014-04-27T20:32:24Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The ewoks were awesome, and anyone who says otherwise I’d an imperial sympathizer The Empire was only trying to subjugate the systems. Ewoks go around trying to to eat people. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/74 "2014-04-27T21:06:57Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Actually, has anyone noticed the similarity between Jar-Jar and Jay-Jay? Huh? Coincidence? I wonder… You-sa HUSH! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/75 "2014-04-27T21:14:15Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The ewoks were awesome, and anyone who says otherwise I’d an imperial sympathizer > [@Aquadementia](#): > > The Empire was only trying to subjugate the systems. > Ewoks go around trying to to eat people. Cannibal Teddy ears. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/76 "2014-04-27T21:20:59Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > This is the problem with a lot of serious geeks in general. People get so obsessed with a media, that it becomes a part of who they are. They’re not someone who like’s Star Wars, they are a Star Wars _fan_/Trekkie/Whovian/etc. They get so attached to their memory and vision of it, that any deviation is seen as a collossal betrayal. They get _way_ too wrapped up in making it their identity. There are a ton of ‘Post Secret’ posts that are some variation of “I base my whole life on [science fiction show]”. Yeah, fans like that have a curiously reactionary attitude in that they want more material, new sequels, except that the sequels have to be the same as they remember from the first time they liked it, or it’s \*weird and strange and wrong. \* There’s never any room for change or growth or new ideas or different interpretations, it all has to be preserved exactly as it was or they get all “Abrams, you have betrayed my [DEL]childhood[/DEL] [DEL]adolescence[/DEL] [DEL]twenties[/DEL] [DEL]thirties[/DEL] fandom!” ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/77 "2014-04-27T21:54:24Z")
But is Splinter of the Mind’s Eye canon? Can we get some hot Force witches in the new movies? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/78 "2014-04-27T22:01:44Z")
I’m pleased as punch that they’re ignoring the Extended Universe. I’d be even happier if they ignored the prequels but I’ll take what I can get. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/79 "2014-04-28T00:02:36Z")
> [@Morelin](#): > > I’m pretty sure Lucas himself said they were never going to be canon when he let the authors start writing them. Lucas says a lot of shit. He says at various times that he always planned for nine movies, that he never planned for nine movies, that a movie about a trade dispute is for kids, that he always meant for Greedo to shoot first and if you don’t like that, fuck off, he’s already got your money. Honestly, if it weren’t for the fact that the man owned the franchise, you could’ve said that George Lucas was the last person you should listen to when it comes to matters Star Wars. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Ewoks. And Jar-Jar. Can we make both of them not canon? Ewoks are fine, and Jar Jar was not even in the top ten of things that suck about the prequel trilogy. I’ve got my fingers crossed they take the prequels out of canon, though, for all of the other reasons that they suck. Anyway, the angst over this decision is… well, it’s fun for me to watch, at least. As is the pre-judgment of the new flicks before we even have bare rumors, almost. Folks! We’re getting new Star Wars movies! George Lucas no longer has creative control! How is this not awesome? They may suck, but I’m going to be rooting for them not to until they come out. Incidentally, had a thought while writing this post: Wookieepedia’s kinda fucked now, isn’t it? Heh. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091/80 "2014-04-28T00:21:48Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > I was already expecting this movie to suck, because J.J. Abrams is a hack that walks like a man. I would only have declared parts of the EU uncanon, but we _are_ better off without fuckers like Traviss. If the choice is between JJ Abrams and Kevin J Anderson, which is the Scylla and which the Charybdis? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-disney-star-wars-related/687091.md?page=5)