# Fuck you ESPN on the Bartman doc **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2011, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837 "2011-09-28T02:31:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/41 "2011-09-28T20:00:01Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Instant replay might have saved Bartman’s life. How do you figure that gonzomax? As for who to blame for the Cubs’ failure, I agree wholeheartedly with Freddy the Pig’s post above, and with the OP’s assertion that ESPN ain’t all it is cracked up to be. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/42 "2011-09-28T23:03:19Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Also, fuck Tony Kornheiser of ESPN. He’s not funny and he doesn’t know sports, and he’s kind of a dick. Kornheiser is also, from what I have read about him, a remarkably thin-skinned dick. He just loves to dish it out, but doesn’t seem to be able to take it. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/43 "2011-09-28T23:50:12Z")
> [@Cell\_Guy](#): > > Cub fans still celebrate the 1908 World Series. Unfortunately this Bartman thing isn’t going away soon. WTF? How do they celebrate it? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/44 "2011-09-28T23:52:08Z")
> [@brittekland](#): > > Yes, Bartman was hung by his balls and treated badly however Bartman moment was the pivoting point of the game if you watched. Yes, I’m biased and also I understand anyone could’ve done the same thing. But as a suffering Chicago Cubby fan waiting for a century also should’ve been smarter and should’ve known to stay out of the way.\*\* Hey, but then I say if Cubbies ever win Chicago will never be quite the same and will lose the city’s certain persona forever\*\*. Why can’t they just root for the White Sox? ---
**Author:** ![brittekland](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@brittekland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brittekland)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/45 "2011-09-28T23:55:14Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Why can’t they just root for the White Sox? Who they? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/46 "2011-09-29T02:18:54Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Why can’t they just root for the White Sox? No. People are either White Sox fans or Cubs fans; you aren’t both. It just doesn’t work that way. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/47 "2011-09-29T02:23:07Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Instant replay might have saved Bartman’s life. Did he die without me realizing it? ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/48 "2011-09-29T02:58:21Z")
Who the fuck is this Bartman guy? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/49 "2011-09-29T04:26:16Z")
Cubs fans shouod thank Bartman, if they had gone on to win they wouldn’t nbe the lovable losers anymore, they would be just another team or worse insufferable d-bags like the Red Sox fans. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/50 "2011-09-29T12:57:08Z")
This is all missing the fact that even if they had gotten to the World Series they would have lost anyway. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/51 "2011-09-29T13:25:43Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > This is all missing the fact that even if they had gotten to the World Series they would have lost anyway. To be honest, I’d settle for the Cubs just making the World Series. I don’t care if they actually win or not. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/52 "2011-09-29T14:10:14Z")
My favorite Bartman trivia: Chad Fox, of Milwaukee and Florida, was the winning pitcher in both the Brant Brown Dropped Fly Ball Game and the Bartman Game. Later he came to the Cubs and promptly blew out his arm in a career-ending injury. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/53 "2011-09-29T15:29:17Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > Later he came to the Cubs and promptly blew out his arm in a career-ending injury. This is what your English teacher was talking about when she said to avoid redundancy. Consider “Later he came to the Cubs.” See how that conveys the same information in fewer words? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/54 "2011-09-29T15:33:31Z")
> [@brittekland](#): > > Who they? The Chicago baseball fans. They have 2 teams, one of which just won. Seems like the city should be just fine even though one of their teams hasn’t won for a century. Its like basketball fans in LA, I think. I’m a Lakers fan and they’ve won a lot, but if they hit some down years and the Clippers were to win, I’d still be happy as an LA basketball fan. We make fun of the Clippers and their fans, but we’ll still cheer when they do well. Probably the parade may be bigger for a Clippers championship than a Lakers one, just because of the novelty > [@Telemark](#): > > No. People are either White Sox fans or Cubs fans; you aren’t both. It just doesn’t work that way. That doesn’t make any sense to me. They’re in the same city! ---
**Author:** ![brittekland](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@brittekland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brittekland)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/55 "2011-09-29T15:49:50Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > The Chicago baseball fans. They have 2 teams, one of which just won. Seems like the city should be just fine even though one of their teams hasn’t won for a century. > > Its like basketball fans in LA, I think. I’m a Lakers fan and they’ve won a lot, but if they hit some down years and the Clippers were to win, I’d still be happy as an LA basketball fan. We make fun of the Clippers and their fans, but we’ll still cheer when they do well. Probably the parade may be bigger for a Clippers championship than a Lakers one, just because of the novelty > > That doesn’t make any sense to me. They’re in the same city! I grew up watching Cubs on WGN literally everyday. You could hardly ever see White Sox games on TV. I’ve actually gone to Sox games more than Cubbies because you could always get seats at White Sox games back then. Even these days I go to box suits all the time because I get invited… but not to Cubs much :mad:. Cubs are my team and I feel a bit like I’m watching some other city team when I’m at Sox game. I can’t help that. I’ve always been a north sider. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/56 "2011-09-29T15:53:40Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > To be honest, I’d settle for the Cubs just making the World Series. I don’t care if they actually win or not. That isn’t true, really. Once you get there, you want to win and you’re angry when your team doesn’t win. Trust me, I know. I speak as an Indians’ fan who suffered through the sixties, seventies and eighties, and am still ticked off about the '95 and 97 World Series, to say nothing of blowing the 2007 ALCS to Boston. ---
**Author:** ![AndyPolley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/57 "2011-09-29T15:58:58Z")
> [@bup](#): > > \*Merkle \*became a verb, in fact, meaning ‘to not arrive.’ > > Also, fuck Tony Kornheiser of ESPN. He’s not funny and he doesn’t know sports, and he’s kind of a dick. I’d like to take a moment to defend Tony Kornheiser. First off…he is funny. Secondly, he not only ‘knows sports’, but he understands why people like sports. He’s more of a casual fan than an analyst, but I’ve always enjoyed his insights. I appreciate how he has little interest in actually interviewing athletes, but would instead ask questions of sports reporters & columnists. Also…AndyPolley! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/58 "2011-09-29T16:20:11Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > That doesn’t make any sense to me. They’re in the same city! But it’s true. It’s only recently that I’ve begun to see this “Chicago fan” bullshit. You have to pick sides, that’s just the way it is. Generally, this is decided for you geographically. If you’re a South Sider, you’re a Sox fan. If you’re a North Sider, a Cubs fan. It’s a toss-up for the West Side, but I think these days it leans more White Sox. I’m a relative rarity: a South Side Cubs fan, and I know some North Side White Sox fans, too (usually, the offspring of transplanted Sox fans.) And this isn’t exclusively a Chicago or even American thing. I believe New Yorkers are the same way about the Yankees and Mets (at least the Mets fans I know are). And, of course, there’s the famous soccer rivalries like Rangers and Celtic (although that’s imbued with a lot more than just your standard sports rivalry.) Now, I don’t actively root against the Sox or anything (I’ve probably been to more Sox games in my life than Cubs games because of where I live), but when they won the World Series a few years back (in rather impressive fashion), I honestly didn’t feel any sort of joy/pride/camaraderie with the team or whatever that feeling is when “your” team wins the championship. It may as well have been the Royals winning the World Series for all that it meant to me. Except that I wouldn’t be hearing the end of it soon from my White Sox fan friends… ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/59 "2011-09-29T16:20:33Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#): > > I’d like to take a moment to defend Tony Kornheiser. First off…he is funny. Google Tony Kornheiser funny: About 224,000 results (0.18 seconds) Google Tony Kornheiser dick: About 276,000 results (0.15 seconds) ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837/60 "2011-09-29T16:32:10Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Google Tony Kornheiser funny: About 224,000 results (0.18 seconds) > Google Tony Kornheiser dick: About 276,000 results (0.15 seconds) Science! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-espn-on-the-bartman-doc/597837.md?page=4)