# Fuck you Fox News--There was terror attack in 2002 on US soil **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 12, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250 "2009-11-12T01:14:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Cleveland_Steamer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/1 "2009-11-12T01:14:05Z")
Remember? [http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/04/lax.shooting/index.html](http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/04/lax.shooting/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/2 "2009-11-12T01:19:27Z")
And your point is? What does this have to do with FOX News? Help us out here, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/3 "2009-11-12T01:21:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And your point is? What does this have to do with FOX News? Help us out here, dude. grasping at straws here, i’d guess the Faux News crowd is crowing about how “the first terror attack on US soil since 2001” happened on a Democratic President’s watch. like i said, drawing that \*\*completely \*\*out of thin air. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Cleveland_Steamer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/4 "2009-11-12T01:23:05Z")
The Fox News liars keep talking about Fort Hood being the first terror attack on US soil since 9/11. And let’s not forget their bullshit about Bush preventing any more terror attacks on US soil after 9/11. I hope every person on Fox News gets raped by diseased bobcats. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/5 "2009-11-12T01:47:15Z")
So a guy on a murder rampage = terrorist attack now? Which terrorist organization is claiming credit? What political aims was this “terror attack” supposed to accomplish? Bonus question: does Fox news know what a terrorist is? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/6 "2009-11-12T01:49:03Z")
By this definition, there was also a pretty big terrorist attack at Virginia Tech. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/7 "2009-11-12T01:53:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Bonus question: does Fox news know what a terrorist is? of course they do. it’s a three-part analysis: Q1: is the person from the middle east? of middle eastern extraction? does he look like someone from the middle east? check. proceed to question 2. Q2: would calling this a “terrorist” act make Democrats look bad? Conversely, would calling this person a “terrorist” help out Republican policies? check. proceed to question 3. Q3: did the perpetrator of the incident like country music, NASCAR, or anything else that our viewers identify with? no check. person is a terrorist. q.e.d. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/8 "2009-11-12T01:59:24Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > Q3: did the perpetrator of the incident like **country music** , **NASCAR** , or anything else that our viewers identify with? Watch it, Sparky. I like those things and I think Faux News are a bunch of fargin’ iceholes. 😃 > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > By this definition, there was also a pretty big terrorist attack at Virginia Tech. Well, you know, the VT shooter didn’t _look_ like an American to the Faux News demographic. _rolls eyes_. Must have been a turrist attack. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/9 "2009-11-12T02:00:49Z")
Or the LA Fitness shooting in Pittsburgh – after all, the guy was raging about his “hatred for women.” Or even the murder of Dr. Tiller. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/10 "2009-11-12T02:04:58Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Watch it, Sparky. I like those things and I think Faux News are a bunch of fargin’ iceholes. 😃 fox viewers are a subset of nascar and country music -philes, that’s all i can say about that 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Cleveland_Steamer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/11 "2009-11-12T02:09:27Z")
LAX attack was terrorism because the shooter intended to coerce the US’s Palestinian policy. What was Hassan’s intent? We don’t know yet. But we do know the Fox News liars need a hot bobcat injection. ---
**Author:** ![Rack-a-Bones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rack-a-Bones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rack-a-Bones)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/12 "2009-11-12T02:41:34Z")
Was a the [shooting at the Jewish center](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010104022_apwajewishcentershooting.html) in Seattle terrorism? How do we define terrorism, versus hate crime, versus losing your fucking marbles? I suspect something very close to what **Rumor\_Watkins** wrote is pinned up next to the monitor of every computer at Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/13 "2009-11-12T02:42:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And your point is? What does this have to do with FOX News? Help us out here, dude. There’s no wrong time to say “Fuck you, Fox News”, really. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/14 "2009-11-12T02:45:18Z")
Don’t we have an omnibus “Fox News is Full of Dicks” thread now? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/15 "2009-11-12T02:49:11Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#): > > There’s no wrong time to say “Fuck you, Fox News”, really. Well, you got me there. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Cleveland_Steamer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/16 "2009-11-12T02:52:07Z")
> [@Rack-a-Bones](#): > > Was a the [shooting at the Jewish center](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010104022_apwajewishcentershooting.html) in Seattle terrorism? Naveed Afzal Haq tried to get the US to withdraw from Iraq as part of his attack. He may have also been trying to change the US’s and Israel’s (among others) Middle East policies. So, it appears to have been terrorism. Completely ineffective terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/17 "2009-11-12T11:55:31Z")
> [@The\_Cleveland\_Steamer](#): > > The Fox News liars keep talking about Fort Hood being the first terror attack on US soil since 9/11. The anthrax mailings don’t count? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/18 "2009-11-12T13:11:23Z")
I think there are two kinds of terrorist attacks: those who do it coordinated with a group (obviously Al Qaeda, but there are others, and not always religious… ELF and FALN come to mind). And those loners who do so, while motivated by terroristic goals, who are not connected or acting under the orders of any coordinated terror organization. It’s pretty clear to me, and I think most people, that this guy fall within the 2nd category; he was supposedly yelling Allah Akbar while he was shooting, and beforehand he supposedly had been emailing the crazy Falls Church imam who skipped the US for Yemen. So it’s pretty clear that this was in fact a terror attack, by that measure. The one in 2002 would also qualify I suppose, but since it didn’t kill any Americans, maybe it gets downplayed? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/19 "2009-11-12T13:27:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The anthrax mailings don’t count? Heck, the anonymous mailing of white powder in envelopes counts, and that’s become a bigger fad than hijacking a plane to Cuba in the late 60’s. It’s gotten so big that it hardly makes headlines anymore, but people are still terrorized: [NYPD: 5th UN mission sent white powder package](http://www.fresnobee.com/641/story/1705955.html) > [@](#): > > Published online on Tuesday, Nov. 10, 2009 > A fifth foreign mission to the United Nations has received an envelope with a suspicious white powder inside, police say. > > The mission to the United Kingdom reported receiving the envelope Tuesday at its One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza offices, on Second Avenue and East 47th Street. > > Hundreds of workers were evacuated from the office tower after the envelope was found Tuesday afternoon. > > “I was scared,” said Lindsey Morrone, who works on the 16th floor. “There were people in the office walking around with napkins over their faces, in fear that the spores could be spread through the ventilation system.” This might not have been such a big, continuing problem if Bush had bothered to catch the perpetrator of the original attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250/20 "2009-11-12T13:46:02Z")
From the cite offered by the OP: > [@](#): > > The final decision whether to label the shooting as a terrorist act by a lone gunman rests with FBI headquarters in Washington, which will review the conclusion of its investigators before making an announcement. What did the FBI decide? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-fox-news-there-was-terror-attack-in-2002-on-us-soil/517250.md?page=2)