# Fuck you Frontier House, fuck you with a chainsaw! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2002, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782 "2002-05-02T02:35:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/41 "2002-05-03T00:23:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hosayf \* > \*\* > Please accept my humble apology for not thinking before I post, and thank you for pointing my idiocy out to me. \*\* Honestly, this is way weird. Nobody apologizes to me here. Ever. LoL And, honestly, there’s no need to apologize, just realize the difference between packing a kitten in a cube to make it shaped like that, and killing an animal for a meal. They don’t show such “appalachian” shit on TV here, but if I saw it, I’d say it was a bit extreme for TV. Just my highly overrated .02. Sam ---
**Author:** ![racinchikki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@racinchikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racinchikki)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/42 "2002-05-03T00:27:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shirley Ujest \* > \*\*Awwwww, ferget the pig. > > Anyone else notice that the only black/african-american guy and his dad (and eventually his white bride) were given the only house that had to be built from scratch. > > I fully expected to see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton there protesting. \*\* Well, the only black people on the show were also the only ones who had any experience doing this sort of thing - Mr. Brooks the elder had grown up on a farm, and the younger Mr. Brooks also had farming experience. So they had an advantage over the other folks. Of course, somebody will probably cry “racism!” anyway. It’s the nature of things, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Hosayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/2acd7d/32.png) [@Hosayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hosayf)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/43 "2002-05-03T00:56:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GaWd \* > \*\* > > Honestly, this is way weird. Nobody apologizes to me here. Ever. LoL > > And, honestly, there’s no need to apologize, just realize the difference between packing a kitten in a cube to make it shaped like that, and killing an animal for a meal. They don’t show such “appalachian” shit on TV here, but if I saw it, I’d say it was a bit extreme for TV. > > Just my highly overrated .02. > > Sam \*\* Oh I totally understand the difference, dude. That was a complete mental lapse because there is no way in hell that that is animal cruelty. I really honestly can make no explanation as to why I saide it was because that is alot less cruel than going to MCDonalds IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![voguevixen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5ac83/32.png) [@voguevixen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voguevixen)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/44 "2002-05-03T03:24:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by comradegonzo \* > \*\*Perhaps I’m an extremist for having a problem with killing animals to make a TV show seem more realistic, but I think I’m right. \*\* Just curious, but had the pig not been killed on the show, what do you think would’ve happened to it? Hint: it would not have gone back to it’s office job. They did not kill it to make it more “realistic,” they killed it because pigs are raised to be killed for meat. They wanted pig meat and had to kill the pig to get it, they couldn’t cut off a sliver and let it grow back or something. I totally don’t have a problem with that and I don’t even eat meat. ---
**Author:** ![Tamex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Tamex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamex)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/45 "2002-05-03T04:29:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by comradegonzo \* > \*\*I think the chicken and the snakes (and im sure there are others) might be easier to justify, since the participants did need food. The pig was killed less to provide needed food, but for the fair at the end of the show. They had food, but killed the pig as a luxery, knowing that the pig didn’t need to die for their survival, even within the context of the show. > I think it was killed as part of the game, I mean… historical simulation, killed to make a TV show seem more realistic. Perhaps I’m an extremist for having a problem with killing animals to make a TV show seem more realistic, but I think I’m right. \*\* OK, I haven’t watched the show, but… :rolleyes: If I spent a whole lot of time and hard work raising a pig on a farm, I’d want some sort of return on my investment. Yes, only two scenarios would have been remotely realistic: A) Kill and eat the pig, or, B) sell the pig to someone else who is going to kill and eat it. If you’re not going to do that, why raise a pig at all? I think that this shows you that life, even in the pioneer days, is not merely about “survival”. It sounds like they had a party and had some hard-earned porkchops. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/46 "2002-05-03T07:07:54Z")
So now we are at the point where some people (the OP) can’t handle an animal getting slaughtered for food on TV. That is fine, but it was reality in 1883. This points out exactly why most of us wouldn’t last a fucking week back then. Sorry your sensibilities were offended, but get a grip. The show was about frontier life in the 1880’s. People actually killed animals back then. Yes they fucking slaughtered animals and fucking ate them. Just like now, but we generally don’t have to kill our own food. (unless you hunt, which I do) What is the fucking problem? I don’t know why people are whining about this. So the kids freaked. I would bet most kids circa 1880 didn’t give a shit about the pigs etc. They were simply FOOD! How the fuck do you think the homesteaders survived, by going to Safeway? It was pointed out that roughly only one out of three homesteaders made the 5 years it took to own the land. I would bet a lot of them got starved out. Why are you so tripped out about an animal getting slaughtered for food when it was the norm for the era, as it is now? ---
**Author:** ![InternetLegend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/internetlegend/32/13154_2.png) [@InternetLegend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InternetLegend)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/47 "2002-05-03T07:18:06Z")
I don’t eat meat, but this strikes me as a more honest and straightforward way of getting food than going to a supermarket. If anyone has a problem with the slaughter of animals, it would make more sense to picket the local grocery store than to object to the fact that they showed the event (or, rather, the aftermath) on TV. It would have probably been better had the parents tried harder to keep their son from getting attached to the pig, but if the kid eats bacon, that’s where it comes from, and he should know it. I have vivid memories of the description of hog-butchering in Little House in the Big Woods, too, **Zev**. That may, in fact, be one reason I don’t eat meat now (the “bladder as a football” part really stuck in my mind for some reason). ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/48 "2002-05-03T07:43:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by shell \* > \*\*Uh, you may not want to know this, but in my experience with butchering hogs, we didn’t shoot them in the head… we slit their throat and saved the blood to make sausage. We also kept the brain (good with scrambled eggs), intestines (sausage casing), fat (rendered down for lard), et cetera and ad nausem. Very little of any critter I’ve ever helped butcher was wasted. > > I doubt that many children these days understand exactly where and how their food really comes from, unless they’ve grown up on a traditional farm. Must have been one heck of a shock for that poor kid on the Frontier House program. \*\* What did he name the pig, anyway? I haven’t seen the show, so I’m getting a pretty funny picture of it all in my head (“Oinky! Nooooo!!!”). I think the only reason I’m not a vegetarian (beside the fact that I really don’t like vegetables) is the face that I can push stuff like **shell’s** account out of my mind. The first time I heard “Meat is Murder” in high school I gave up meat for a couple of days - then I succumbed to the wily charms of a corny dog. I’m actually reading “The Jungle” now, which of course is about the meat-packing industry in the early days before we had all these silly regulations like “No scooping dead rats, along with the poison that killed them and their droppings into the sausage machine.” If my carnivorous leanings survive this tome, they shall be intact forever. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2002, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/49 "2002-05-03T14:14:36Z")
“And the Clunes leaving to get food from the outside? WTF? Make a bow and shoot a deer dammit.” To be fair to the Clunes (who generally were jackasses), Pappa Clune brought a gun with him for the express purpose of hunting, but was told he **couldn’t** hunt because game wasn’t legally in season. The show participants may have been living in 1883, but the calendar over at the Fish and Game Department still says 2002. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2002, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/50 "2002-05-06T05:23:40Z")
[Homer] mmmm…fresh pork chops… [/Homer] ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_Bowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@Doug\_Bowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_Bowe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2002, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782/51 "2002-05-06T06:05:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Bredin \* > \*\*“And the Clunes leaving to get food from the outside? WTF? Make a bow and shoot a deer dammit.” > > To be fair to the Clunes (who generally were jackasses), Pappa Clune brought a gun with him for the express purpose of hunting, but was told he **couldn’t** hunt because game wasn’t legally in season. The show participants may have been living in 1883, but the calendar over at the Fish and Game Department still says 2002. 🙂 \*\* –For the record, they did have fresh venison provided by the local Crow Chief (the tribe _could_ hunt). With the gift of a deer came a lesson about where this homesteader’s land came from, and at what price. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-frontier-house-fuck-you-with-a-chainsaw/106782.md?page=2)