# Fuck you, Greek police, may all of you be cuckcolded by diseased gigolos **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215 "2013-10-25T15:09:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/181 "2013-10-29T13:49:56Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > It would be interesting to see the evidence of systematic abandoning of formal education as a deliberate act of self-segregation – maybe conflated with the custom among some groups like the Amish? The Amish conform to local laws regarding minimum education requirements and school attendance, as do some high conservative Jewish groups like the Hasidim in New York City. Neither group encourages higher education but their children are required to and do receive basic literacy skills such that if they do choose to pursue additional education beyond their cultural norm they are able to do so. In other words, yes, they have their own schools, often conduct classes in their own language, but their children aren’t crippled by lack of basic literacy and numeracy. That is distinctly different than a group that simply doesn’t send their kids to school at all. I hasten to add that I don’t for one minute believe such ignorance is _required_ among the Roma, and some members here are proof that it is not, but sub-groups, particularly those that relocate frequently and have no permanent address, are going to have trouble in regards to a useful education in the modern world. There are probably ways around that, if anyone wants to bother making the effort. I also suspect some “homeschooling” types are likewise neglecting their children’s education, no matter how settled they might be. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/182 "2013-10-29T14:12:05Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I also highly doubt that in their home, Maria addresses the D family (that is a lot easier than spelling it out) as mother and father or considers them such though they may be considered her in-laws depending on the arrangements the families made. In-laws?? A six years old would consider them in-laws??? And it’s supposed to make me feel better about the whole thing? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/183 "2013-10-29T14:14:15Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If he’s heard so much about me, he would know I don’t touch flesh with men I am not married to (that’s just one of those things that anybody who has known me for more than five minutes could have told him); therefore, any gesture to that effect is at the very least a deliberate insult. I would probably tell him to go get fucked and walk away. If he deliberately blocked my path at that point he might be going down the stairwell. You are really doing a good job of avoiding the point of our questions! It is entertaining and informative, though, so thanks for that. I’ll reiterate that, when introduced to a woman I have not met before (and absent some other knowledge about their specific cultural practices), I must extend my hand for a handshake, because it’s more likely (where I live) that a random individual woman would be offended and think I’m a scumbag if I _don’t_ offer a handshake (or ask about it) then if I do. I understand I may be risking a very small amount of women thinking I’m a scumbag for offering a hand, but this is a far lower risk to me by offering a hand than by not offering a hand. Hopefully, the education can go both ways, and perhaps if a stranger extends his hand to you, you might give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s doing it because, statistically, a random woman is more likely to be offended if he doesn’t extend the hand than if he does. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/184 "2013-10-29T14:50:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hopefully, the education can go both ways, and perhaps if a stranger extends his hand to you, you might give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s doing it because, statistically, a random woman is more likely to be offended if he doesn’t extend the hand than if he does. NOPE! You’re missing one of the most fundamental characteristics of ZPG Zealot - everyone in the world is required to adapt to HER point of view. Asking her to do the same and accept someone else’s standards is tantamount to raping a puppy. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/185 "2013-10-29T15:02:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > As has been noted (and apparently ignored) **ZPGZealot** is, herself, Romani. She knows about the culture because it is her culture. I didn’t know that. Now I do remember her as the crazy woman she is. I’m still not convinced that she knows a whole lot about Roma culture. I’m still not convinced, either, that “informaly adopting” children is a Roma custom (not that it would be fine if it were, anyway). I’m yet to hear about this kind of adoption being in any way common. I’m not even convinced that there’s such a thing as “Roma culture”. As much as “Roma” seem to be the politically correct word in English, I know for a fact that it is rejected here by several groups, because Roma normally refers to the central European sub-group, and Sintis, Manouches, Gitanos, etc… aren’t necessarily interested in being conflated with them. And I’ve no reason to assume that such of such custom is “Roma” and current rather than someone that used to exist 50 years ago amongst Spanish Gitanos. And when ZPG Zealot makes broad statements about “Roma culture” I wonder how much she actually knows about, in this case, modern days Bulgarian Romas. Especially since she’s American, and presumably isn’t in close contact with any current European group. Even more so suince she’s crazy regarding at least one “custom”, and I’ve no reason to assume her other statements are more reliable. > [@](#): > > None of us here know that, but you’re assuming that the young girl in question is unhappy with her “adopting” family, whereas **ZPGZealot** is not. Except the poster I was responding to who seemed to know she had been with those “parents” for a long time and that she was happy with the arrangement. Given the circumstances, I see no reasons to make such assuptions. > [@](#): > > While what you state about abandoning children is true, in my country, and quite likely others, parents offering children for adoption actually do get a say in who adopts the child, and what religion/culture that child will be raised in. It’s not at all unusual these days for parents to actually do the selecting of the adopting parents for legal adoptions. Not everyone chooses to do things that way but it is certainly an option in some places. I admit I didn’t know it could work this way, even though it does make sense. However, doing so “informally” without overview is completely unacceptable since it could open to so much abuse or conceal so many things. Especially when the pick is that bad (family living of welfare, already 13 children, criminal father). ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/186 "2013-10-29T15:47:30Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’m still not convinced that she knows a whole lot about Roma culture. As you note, the Roma/Romani/Gypsies/etc. are a large and diverse diaspora. Talking about “the Roma” is like talking about “the Jews” - only the broadest generalities are accurate, and you constantly have throw in statements about there being many diverse groups of them > [@](#): > > I’m still not convinced, either, that “informaly adopting” children is a Roma custom (not that it would be fine if it were, anyway). I’m yet to hear about this kind of adoption being in any way common. I’m not entirely convinced of it, either, but since it’s a feature of many cultures and sub-cultures around the world it’s at least plausible. > [@](#): > > I’m not even convinced that there’s such a thing as “Roma culture”. As much as “Roma” seem to be the politically correct word in English, I know for a fact that it is rejected here by several groups, because Roma normally refers to the central European sub-group, and Sintis, Manouches, Gitanos, etc… aren’t necessarily interested in being conflated with them. I’m not even sure “Roma” is universal in the Anglosphere. Here in the US “Romani” is a frequent label and even “Gypsy”, because it doesn’t have as much baggage in the US as it does in Europe. Again, it’s such a broadly dispersed group of people one word alone probably won’t be accepted by all of them. Even so, the group involved in this custody issue would most likely be from the group(s) currently referred to as Roma so it’s not inappropriate in this context. > [@](#): > > I admit I didn’t know it could work this way, even though it does make sense. However, doing so “informally” without overview is completely unacceptable since it could open to so much abuse or conceal so many things. I agree, these days formalizing such arrangements should be done. Even if it’s just a matter of sending a kid to live with relatives rather than an actual adoption there are matters of legal guardianship that are best clarified by a written document properly witnessed and filed. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/187 "2013-10-29T15:51:15Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’m still not convinced that she knows a whole lot about Roma culture. She is from the Balkans. I don’t remember if she was born there and came here or just traveled back and forth. Although I do shake my head at some of the things she believes I do not think she is lying about that. I do find it funny that the main opponent against Roma stereotypes on this board is a Fortune Teller that scams people out of money. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/188 "2013-10-29T16:05:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Probably not. I doubt the majority of Americans ever leave America; and the number is even smaller if you discount those who visit Mexico and Canada. > > \*\ > \* > According to [this article](http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/02/04/americans.travel.domestically/) only 30% of Americans even have a passport; and that number is up from the past. This does show that Americans don’t leave the USA much, it doesn’t show the opposite, as in the USA the Passport is pretty much never used for ID purposes, whilst it is in other nations. So, in other countries you might well get a passport even if you never intend to leave th eborders. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/189 "2013-10-29T16:08:02Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > I have nothing to add regarding the Greek police, but I just want to say that “may all of you be cuckolded by diseased gigolos” is the most hilarious curse I’ve heard in the past six months, maybe a year. +1 to the OP just for the title alone. It’s actually stupid as hell and shows the OP doesn’t know what “cuckolded” means, in all likelyhood. What the OP is wishing is that the police officers \*wives \*get infected, not the police officers themselves. And no, one doesn’t nessesarily lead to the other. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/190 "2013-10-29T16:08:57Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If he’s heard so much about me, he would know I don’t touch flesh with men I am not married to (that’s just one of those things that anybody who has known me for more than five minutes could have told him); therefore, any gesture to that effect is at the very least a deliberate insult. I would probably tell him to go get fucked and walk away. If he deliberately blocked my path at that point he might be going down the stairwell. Thanks for the response! I’ve learned two things from this answer: 1. You’re not comfortable answering the question asked. Let’s assume that his way of knowing about you is one in which he doesn’t know about your cultural taboo: maybe whoever talked with him thinks you’re crazy but is too nice to say so, so just left that detail out, or maybe he knows you from some official faculty list or something. Remember, we’re trying to create a scenario in which someone who doesn’t know about your taboo extends a hand to you, and to figure out whether you’ll murder someone for that. 2. More importantly, we learn that, despite what you said before, you’re not willing to use lethal force against someone who extends a hand to you for a handshake, FOR THAT ACTION. This is different from what you said before, and it makes you slightly less of a complete nutjob, for which I am grateful. Now, since you might kill someone for trying to rape you, but you won’t kill them for offering you a handshake, do you see how that might be a fairly important and relevant difference between a handshake offer and rape? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/191 "2013-10-29T17:24:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I agree, these days formalizing such arrangements should be done. Even if it’s just a matter of sending a kid to live with relatives rather than an actual adoption there are matters of legal guardianship that are best clarified by a written document properly witnessed and filed. And after all, it usually means better results: from being treated as the child’s primary contact by schools and hospitals, to things such as being able to insure said child. A coworker of mine from Texas couldn’t add the kid to her insurance until adoption was finalized because he was her grandchild, not her child; nor could she get him in the state-sponsored program because she made too much money (her husband was retired, the child’s parents were both in prison for two different things). They were the child’s guardians, but without an adoption they just got screwed from both sides; in other locations, guardianship is enough, but it’s still a lot easier to have the papers for it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/192 "2013-10-29T17:35:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > 1. More importantly, we learn that, despite what you said before, you’re not willing to use lethal force against someone who extends a hand to you for a handshake, FOR THAT ACTION. This is different from what you said before, and it makes you slightly less of a complete nutjob, for which I am grateful. I’ve suspected all along that she’s just playing Internet Tough Gypsy, and in real life is a fluffy kitten who luuuuuuuvs being hugged. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/193 "2013-10-29T17:51:20Z")
> [@Sorgine](#): > > And after all, it usually means better results: from being treated as the child’s primary contact by schools and hospitals, to things such as being able to insure said child. A coworker of mine from Texas couldn’t add the kid to her insurance until adoption was finalized because he was her grandchild, not her child; nor could she get him in the state-sponsored program because she made too much money (her husband was retired, the child’s parents were both in prison for two different things). They were the child’s guardians, but without an adoption they just got screwed from both sides; in other locations, guardianship is enough, but it’s still a lot easier to have the papers for it. I think you’re right, but this is only part of the picture. In an ideal world, the government treats everyone with scrupulous fairness, justice tempered only by mercy. In an ideal world, everyone does the right thing when it comes to getting government services. But in our world, the Roma have a long mistrust of the government, and the feeling’s mutual. Many Roma don’t trust the government to treat them with fairness; it seems that, unless they see a direct benefit from a government interaction, they’d prefer not to have the interaction. And it seems like many folks in the Greek government by default assume the worse of Roma citizens. So we don’t live in the ideal world. We live in a world in which the government is sometimes unfair, and we live in a world in which people don’t always file the proper paperwork. The question is, given this non-ideal world, what’s the best way of dealing with it? I remain profoundly unconvinced that removing the child from caregivers’ custody is the best response to a lack of paperwork. I dealt with a case a few years ago in which a mom moved out of town, leaving her kid with a friend. This was far from ideal for the kid, but it was better than putting him in a foster home, and when social services found out, it dealt with the situation by helping bring the kid’s custody status into the light of the law, helping the caregiver (and, eventually, the mom, once she was tracked down) sign the appropriate documentation. That’s how such situations should be dealt with. Of course, the ideal would have been for the mom to do everything right to begin with, but lacking that ideal, social services did the best they could with the non-ideal circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/194 "2013-10-29T19:03:47Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If he’s heard so much about me, he would know I don’t touch flesh with men I am not married to (that’s just one of those things that anybody who has known me for more than five minutes could have told him); therefore, any gesture to that effect is at the very least a deliberate insult. I would probably tell him to go get fucked and walk away. If he deliberately blocked my path at that point he might be going down the stairwell. I want to say this in the nicest possible way. \*You are one fucking crazy person and you need help immediately. \* ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/195 "2013-10-29T20:18:31Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > (that’s just one of those things that anybody who has known me for more than five minutes could have told him) So do only wear a t-shirt that says, “I AM ROMA YOU WILL NOT DARE TO SHAKE HANDS WITH ME YOU RAPIST SCUM!!!” every single time you leave your house or someone comes over to your house? Because that’s the only way I can think of that someone will know that about you within 5 minutes of meeting you. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/196 "2013-10-29T20:31:07Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Because that’s the only way I can think of that someone will know that about you within 5 minutes of meeting you. Actually, I can’t believe you don’t see how this works: 1. You meet ZPG. 2. What do you do when you meet someone new? You offer to shake hands. 3. ZPG pushes you down a staircase. 4. As you lie crumpled and bleeding at the bottom, wondering why, dear god why, someone else who knows her wheels up to you in the wheelchair they’ve been confined to ever since they met her and says, “Oh yeah, ZPG tries to murder people who offer to shake her hand.” No way that would take more than five minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/197 "2013-10-30T01:52:17Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The idea that Roma avoid education is largely a myth. Poor people often avoid education because in the United States at least, education beyond high school costs and it’s often of more immediate necessity for their young people to go to work to help support the family. I am Roma. I have a master’s degree in library science. My mother-in-law is a nurse midwife. My husband is an engineer. And while his father does not have a formal higher education degree, he owns a business and has taken numerous courses to aid in that process. I was discussing US families who take their kids out of school after 6-7 years. That’s fucked up. I have no evidence that such behavior is typical among American Roma, and my best less-than-informed guess is that it’s atypical. Because it’s so fucked up. It’s not unusual for a poor American person to go to work after high school. And during the 1950s, IIRC most Americans ended their education in high school. That said, Americans have valued education in general for hundreds of years and most immigrants grasp that principle almost instantaneously. My strong language reflects this cultural consensus. I agree with LHoD that the situation in Eastern Europe is more complex. Another article noted that the children of Roma immigrants to the UK do reasonably well in school, though they are labeled as retarded in the Czech Republic, etc. It takes them about a year to catch up. Which is another of the world’s infuriating aspects, as Czech secondary schools that the Roma are blocked from attending are pretty decent. Here’s a snippit from a report quoted by The Economist on Dec 14, 2011, relating to Roma immigrant experiences in British schools: All the parents interviewed during this study valued the overall atmosphere at school, their children’s feeling of being welcome there and their experience of equal treatment, equal opportunities, and the absence of anti-Roma sentiments and racism expressed by their children’s non-Roma peers and teachers, which they all said their children had experienced in various forms in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. They all said the prospect of their children’s education and employment was one of the most powerful driving forces behind their decision to move to the UK. Many of them thought it would take generations to change these practices and attitudes in Slovakia and the Czech Republic and some doubted whether they would ever change. All of them believed their children’s chances to succeed later on in life were much better in Britain than in Slovakia and the Czech Republic. [PDF!] [http://www.romaeducationfund.hu/sites/default/files/publications/ref\_uk\_report\_nov2011\_screen\_singlepages.pdf](http://www.romaeducationfund.hu/sites/default/files/publications/ref_uk_report_nov2011_screen_singlepages.pdf) [PDF!] Economist, sub req [Flourishing abroad, derided at home](http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/12/roma-education-uk) ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/198 "2013-10-30T22:17:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Actually, I can’t believe you don’t see how this works: > > 1. You meet ZPG. > 2. What do you do when you meet someone new? You offer to shake hands. > 3. ZPG pushes you down a staircase. > 4. As you lie crumpled and bleeding at the bottom, wondering why, dear god why, someone else who knows her wheels up to you in the wheelchair they’ve been confined to ever since they met her and says, “Oh yeah, ZPG tries to murder people who offer to shake her hand.” > > No way that would take more than five minutes. Of course. I feel stupid and ashamed for my dumb idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215.md?page=9)