# Fuck you, Greek police, may all of you be cuckcolded by diseased gigolos **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215 "2013-10-25T15:09:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/41 "2013-10-26T00:18:27Z")
> [@Kal](#): > > What do you think of cases where Australian mothers sold their babies? Or murdered them? Does that make Australian familial culture look fucked up? **Kal** , I didn’t explain myself properly in the post. What I meant to say was that giving a child away, or selling (whichever scenario ends up being true) can be a good thing if the relinquishing mother is so poor that she can not provide adequately for the needs of the child. I have no problem with that _per se_. In my perfect world, every child has a decent start in life with good food, housing, education and health needs provided for. Giving up a child that you cannot care for **can** be the ultimate act of altruism. However, in this case, (from news reports I have seen, not just tabloid ones either) it appears that the Dimopoulous family were just as impoverished as the birth family. Maria was not afforded a better standard of living, in fact she looks damned neglected, just like all the other kiddies shown on the news reports. Is that meant to be an integral aspect of Roma culture? Is it more important that the history and lifestyle are preserved at the expense of providing adequate care for children? Fuck me…you and ZPG rant and rave about how maligned you are as a peoples, but when shit like this hits the airwaves, how on earth can you defend your precious ‘culture’ when kids are commodified and raised like flocks of chickens? ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/42 "2013-10-26T01:09:17Z")
You call it rant and rave, I prefer to think I’ve been a sarky cunt. As to ‘culture’, you know I’m not Roma but Romanichal. Different, though related, beast. Some aspects of Roma culture (sans dubi-quotes) are as alien to us as they are to you. My lot don’t do that bride price thing, don’t beg, don’t marry that young and don’t have that many kids. I’m a single dad who lives in a two-bed end terrace with a two year old girl (non-blonde; made with my penis) who’s just started nursery and has a moderate to severe Bear in the Big Blue House addiction. What the fuck do I know about living in a fucking shack in Greece? I buy my shopping at Tesco instead of stealing chickens under cover of darkness. In this specific case, from what I know, the kid had a better life than she would if she’d remained with her mother. Still a life mired in poverty, but better than it would have been. I think the police were right to investigate her background, am unsure about them removing her and would certainly prefer her to be placed in the care of people who at least speak her language. Meanwhile, I’ve been both highly entertained and pissed off by press coverage over here and the comment threads that have been spawned. Go Google some front pages of British 'papers from the last week or so. They’ve been brill. It’s quite possible for me to be pissed off by some of the more outrageous 'Gypsies will steal your children!" headlines and the kneejerk removal of two children in Ireland, while also thinking “Oh, shit. Why does the adoptive dad have to look like Cletus?”, finding the possibility (denied by everyone involved) that the child was paid for distasteful and finding the fact that every child involved in all three cases is Roma to be fucking hilarious. That last one mainly because the gobby cunts who were spouting the more racist bullshit online appear to have crawled away. Well, there’re a few still advocating genocide, but there always is. ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/43 "2013-10-26T01:19:11Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Screw the Greek police, the sensationalizing press, and the idiot, brain dead, xenophobic social workers who couldn’t possibly consider Romany capable of handling their own social problems. You view forging legal documents, committing welfare fraud and passing off a child with the casualness one would afford a puppy to be “handling” social problems? > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The fact that they did not take any of the darker children in the encampment in for testing speaks volumes. To your stupidity, yes. If you honestly don’t understand why the figurative patch of vitiligo in a sea of darker skin raised suspicions it speaks volumes to your stupidity. [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ueZ6tvqhk8U#t=19)’s a song to help you work through it. It should be on your level. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/44 "2013-10-26T02:28:36Z")
> [@Crawlspace](#): > > You view forging legal documents, committing welfare fraud and passing off a child with the casualness one would afford a puppy to be “handling” social problems? I find the forging of legal documents and welfare fraud to be Bad Things to Do. You’re being an idiot when it comes to the idea that they treated the child like a puppy. And all their actions are scads milder than the action of taking a child from her caregivers for racist reasons, whether or not the child calls those caregivers “mama” and “daddy.” Show me evidence of abuse that goes beyond a poor child dancing, and I’ll change my tune. But seriously, the claims of abuse are really really stupid. And the penalty for welfare fraud is not, as far as I know, that you lose your kid. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/45 "2013-10-26T02:46:47Z")
Points taken **Kal**. And I have to admit (living in Australia where the only Travelers/Roma are those stupid Grey Nomads in Winnebagoes) that my only experience and/or opinions are vicarious ones gleaned from media coverage and the swathes of info you’ve shared here over the years, for which I thank you by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Napkin\_Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Napkin\_Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napkin_Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/46 "2013-10-26T03:52:29Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’d like to shake the hand of everyone involved. I snorted out loud. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/47 "2013-10-26T04:03:28Z")
> [@Napkin\_Sandwich](#): > > I snorted out loud. I double snorted: not only an invitation to a vigorous rogering, but your very user name too. Ahhh the good old days. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/48 "2013-10-26T04:14:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Probably not. I doubt the majority of Americans ever leave America; and the number is even smaller if you discount those who visit Mexico and Canada. > > \*\ > \* > According to [this article](http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/02/04/americans.travel.domestically/) only 30% of Americans even have a passport; and that number is up from the past. Still even if it’s only 30%, 92 million people with passports is more than the entire population of the UK, never mind Canada. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/49 "2013-10-26T04:26:59Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > [Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](http://news.yahoo.com/test-proves-bulgarian-woman-mother-mystery-girl-135631019.html) > > She was Romany all the time, living with a Romany family who took her in because her mother was a poor olive picker and couldn’t afford another child. . That’s what the mother says. However there has been a number of cases of children _sold_ to Romany “mothers”, and then used to beg and such, in several European countries (being organized by gangs, not merely by the individual parents/adoptive parents). And in Greece, these have commonly been children of poor Bulgarian mothers (I don’t remember the prices quoted for babies, but it’s a rather nice amount). So allow me not to assume that the mother is telling the truth and wasn’t paid to give away her child. Besides, where is it perfectly fine to give birth to a baby, not registering the birth, and give it away to some random person because you’re too poor to take care of it, without any involvement of the authorities? And then fake the baby documentation? Can you mention a modern country where this would be acceptable and not considered at the very least highly suspicious? Finally, the adoptive mother has 14 children, and the documentation for several of them is highly dubious. In particular, according to official documents, she gave birth to something like three children in the same year IIRC. Even in the best case scenario, the adoptive mother commited a number of unnacceptable delicts. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/50 "2013-10-26T04:28:46Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > You do realize that criminals have rights? That the child had rights also which included not be jerked away from her community and her caretakers. They could have arrested the couple, but released the child in the hands of any number of Romani in the community. According to reports, the child is perfectly happy to have been removed from her “family”. Abnormally so, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Springtime\_for\_Spacers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Springtime\_for\_Spacers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Springtime_for_Spacers)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/51 "2013-10-26T04:33:17Z")
> [@Crawlspace](#): > > To your stupidity, yes. If you honestly don’t understand why the figurative patch of vitiligo in a sea of darker skin raised suspicions it speaks volumes to your stupidity. [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ueZ6tvqhk8U#t=19)’s a song to help you work through it. It should be on your level. This idea that the existence of fair hair/skin among the children of Romani peoples indicates “something wrong” (up to and including that any random blond girl child must be flipping Maddie) is fucking stupid at best and malicious racial profiling at worst. From Wikipedia, an overview: > [@](#): > > Stereotypically, darker skin is seen as a racial characteristic among the Romani. This attitude has proliferated the myth of the “True Romani”, an inadvertent discriminatory term described by some Romani scholars as one that “…allowed writers and policy-makers to dismiss people as an unwelcome social blot on the land, people of ‘little or no Romani blood’ who gave the ‘True Romany’ a bad name.”[15] > Blonde hair, fair skin and blue eyes are not uncommon features among both the Roma and British Romani groups. Examples include lighter-skinned Roma who were conscripted into fighting units during WWII; a Slovakian Roma called Otto Baláš wrote an account that stated: “They also took my cousin Pal’o. He didn’t look like a gypsy—He was white.”[16] Other light-skinned Roma were able to pass as non-Gypsies and avoid the Romani genocide or Porajmos, as in the case of Vojtěch Fabián, who told a doctor he was a Roma but was admonished: “Never say you’re a Gypsy, you don’t look like one” and consequently was able to hide his Romani ethnicity from the authorities.[16] Some Roma have been noted as passing for Slovak or Hungarian despite being of Romani descent,[17] while the Bulgarian Roma, musician Ivo Papazov, has stated of the light skinned phenotype: “I am one of the few light skinned people in my family but I know I am Romani.”[18] Tdlr Racial mixing, recessive genes - understanding that Romanis can be fair themselves or have fair kids not rocket science. Kal, you have done well to preserve your equinamity this past week. ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/52 "2013-10-26T04:36:28Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’d like to shake the hand of everyone involved. Maybe not the diseased gigolos. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/53 "2013-10-26T04:37:53Z")
> [@Kal](#): > > Now that it’s confirmed that Maria is Romani, he has pretty much no comment. How odd. He was very talkative when she was a blonde angel. Why the fuck whether or not the girl is Romani change anything? Because, she’s Romani, people should be allowed to “informally adopt” her to get social benefits (at best) or just buy her to beg and steal as it happened in other cases? And I know that there aren’t any evidence at the moment of the latter scenario. But there’s a reason why you’re not allowed to “informally give babies to adoption”. In particular preventing human trafficking for nefarious purposes. And “adopting” secretely and faking documentation doesn’t speak in favour of the sooo nice adoptive parents. ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/54 "2013-10-26T04:57:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Show me evidence of abuse that goes beyond a poor child dancing, and I’ll change my tune. But seriously, the claims of abuse are really really stupid. Show me where I made the claims of abuse. What you might be having difficulty understanding is the analogy I made about her “adoption”, the informality of which I likened to the sort of thing one might do if their dog had puppies. If this is how the Romany are “handling” their social situations, describing it as “capable” is humorous. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > And the penalty for welfare fraud is not, as far as I know, that you lose your kid. She’s not their kid. Did you not get the memo? Nor, as far as I know, do they have legal custody. They were not vetted to ensure they were stable, law abiding people who had the means to support her. Given the arrest record of one (armed robbery), current means of support (welfare fraud) and social situation (guns, drugs, stolen credit cards) it’s highly unlikely they would pass that vetting. ---
**Author:** ![Springtime\_for\_Spacers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Springtime\_for\_Spacers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Springtime_for_Spacers)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/55 "2013-10-26T05:14:04Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Why the fuck whether or not the girl is Romani change anything? Because, she’s Romani, people should be allowed to “informally adopt” her to get social benefits (at best) or just buy her to beg and steal as it happened in other cases? > > And I know that there aren’t any evidence at the moment of the latter scenario. But there’s a reason why you’re not allowed to “informally give babies to adoption”. In particular preventing human trafficking for nefarious purposes. And “adopting” secretely and faking documentation doesn’t speak in favour of the sooo nice adoptive parents. What it changes is the perception that this story was about "gypsies stealing european children, specifically pretty blonde ones _just like Maddie_ (whose sad story is back in the news at the moment). Now that Maria is “only another gypsy” much of the tabloid excitement has gone. And the fact is that this is a relief to those who feared a child stealing\* witch hunt with police and social services all over Europe being set on Romani families whose colours didn’t match. \*Child stealing in the sense of the authorities taking children away from families until their provenance was proved. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/56 "2013-10-26T06:09:28Z")
> [@Crawlspace](#): > > You view forging legal documents, committing welfare fraud and passing off a child with the casualness one would afford a puppy to be “handling” social problems? Truly, that is the crux of it. ZPG Zealot is aptly named in all the derogatory sense of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/57 "2013-10-26T06:23:09Z")
> [@Springtime\_for\_Spacers](#): > > This idea that the existence of fair hair/skin among the children of Romani peoples indicates “something wrong” (up to and including that any random blond girl child must be flipping Maddie) is fucking stupid at best and malicious racial profiling at worst. From Wikipedia, an overview: > Tdlr Racial mixing, recessive genes - understanding that Romanis can be fair themselves or have fair kids not rocket science. > > Kal, you have done well to preserve your equinamity this past week. You put “something wrong” in quotations as if it were something I said. It’s not. I said her appearance raised suspicions which lead to further inquiry which didn’t hold up. ZPG pretending to not understanding why it was only the child that stuck out like a sore thumb that raised suspicion is pathetic. Her outrage is manufactured and something tells me if they \*had \*then gone through and inquired about all the children she’d be foaming about that. And sure, Romany people can have light features even if their parents don’t, but it’s far more complex with far more genes in play than the simple recessive patterns you learned in school and you’d expect some of their siblings (real ones not those made up to exploit the welfare system) to have some similar features – kind of like how she looks quite bit like her [biological siblings](http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow/idUSBRE99N0R920131025#a=3). ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/58 "2013-10-26T06:59:01Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Why the fuck whether or not the girl is Romani change anything? The post you’re quoting is talking about how Mr. Yannopoulos, director of the charity caring for Maria, was quite a chatty fellow when it was suspected that she was an abducted white girl and/or blonde angel. Previously happy to provide the press a quote, he suddenly has no comment when the girl is shown to be Romani. This is a change in attitude that I find facinating. As to why the fuck the girl being Romani appears to have changed that attitude, you’d be better off addressing your inquiry to Mr. Yannopoulos. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/59 "2013-10-26T14:58:43Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > According to reports, the child is perfectly happy to have been removed from her “family”. Abnormally so, in fact. Those reports are coming from people that a) took her away from her for racist reasons and b) haven’t bothered to question that child in the language she is most familiar with. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/60 "2013-10-26T15:04:48Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Why the fuck whether or not the girl is Romani change anything? Because, she’s Romani, people should be allowed to “informally adopt” her to get social benefits (at best) or just buy her to beg and steal as it happened in other cases? > > And I know that there aren’t any evidence at the moment of the latter scenario. But there’s a reason why you’re not allowed to “informally give babies to adoption”. In particular preventing human trafficking for nefarious purposes. And “adopting” secretely and faking documentation doesn’t speak in favour of the sooo nice adoptive parents. Have you read anything that has been posted? It’s highly doubtful this Roma family practiced “adoption” as non-Roma do. The informal nature of placing children with other families to raise however is a natural reaction to having Roma children snatched up and given to strangers by the adoption industry. Why didn’t these people go through lawyers? Probably because a.) they couldn’t afford it, and b) experience has taught them to distrust outside legal authorities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215.md?page=4)