# Fuck you, Greek police, may all of you be cuckcolded by diseased gigolos **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215 "2013-10-25T15:09:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/121 "2013-10-28T18:12:18Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Insert the small sentence, “Do you shake hands, miss (mam, madame, or Ms. \_\_\_\_\_, etc.)?” before sticking out your hand (and quite a few feminist do not care for men extending their hands unbidden) and you risk offending no one. That’s the way a gentlemen should act. Jesus, how offensive can you get, suggesting I refer to a woman as “Miss”? Which goes to illustrate, you can’t completely avoid offending everyone. The risk is ALWAYS there. (And “Ms.” won’t work, because there are some anti-feminists that despise that term). And of course you only suggest asking that question of women: you’re still insisting I treat women differently from men, something that risks offense to many feminists. FWIW, I have never in my life heard of a feminist objecting to men offering to shake: can you cite a single feminist (besides possibly yourself) objecting? If you’re trying to avoid being touched, then the simple solution is for you to say, “Oh, no thank you, I don’t shake hands.” This way, instead of 99.9% of the time the interaction having some confused awkwardness around it (“Of course I do, what a weird question, why would you even ask?”), in the 0.1% of cases in which it’s a problem, it’s handled quickly and gracefully by the person for whom it’s a problem. This is really quite simple. An analogy: I’ve got a deathly fear of needles, to the extent that my phobia has earned me an ambulance trip due to a concussion from passing out on an occasion in which I wasn’t going to get a shot. I am confident that my discomfort around needles surpasses your discomfort at shaking hands. And if someone knows about my phobia and talks about their painful shots around me, and does so after I ask them to stop, I think they’re a jerk, and I leave. But if someone talks about painful shots without knowing about my phobia, that’s on me. The phobia is my problem, for me to deal with. It’s something that very, very few people have to this degree, and I need to manage it. Someone who talks about shots around me, knowing that someone MIGHT be afraid but not knowing that I actually AM afraid, isn’t remotely being a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/122 "2013-10-28T18:18:50Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > Wasn’t it ZPG who considers adoption abusive, or am I confusing her with some other foaming fanatic around here? I don’t remember the details, but I seem to recall her saying something about her culture doesn’t do adoption, particularly not of non-relatives. That doesn’t qualify as “abusive”, and it’s not beyond belief that there is a culture that doesn’t hold with adoption. Yes, she’s a bit… fanatical but hell, she has the word “zealot” in her username, what do you expect? ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/123 "2013-10-28T18:19:40Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Insert the small sentence, “Do you shake hands, miss (mam, madame, or Ms. \_\_\_\_\_, etc.)?” before sticking out your hand (and quite a few feminist do not care for men extending their hands unbidden) and you risk offending no one. That’s the way a gentlemen should act. Actually, I think quite a few people would be offended if you asked if they fucking shake hands. That’s pretty culturally insensitive of you, ignoring the hand shaking cultures of the world. I think most people are just going to go about raping with abandon (for certain definitions of rape). Besides, most women say they don’t want to shake hands when they really do. I’m only giving them want they really want. Besides, most of them are asking for it, walking around with revealing gloves, or sometimes with bare hands. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/124 "2013-10-28T18:21:59Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Gentlemen, do not risk behavior that might be offensive to women. That is why they are considered gentlemen, not scum. Gentlemen wait for a woman to extend her hand (i.e. consenting to the behavior). If a female wants to be considered a Lady, and not scum, then she always accepts and shakes a penis extneded towards her. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/125 "2013-10-28T18:31:41Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > If a female wants to be considered a Lady, and not scum, then she always accepts and shakes a penis extneded towards her. No a Lady pulls out her machete and Bobbitizes the jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/126 "2013-10-28T18:35:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Most men that I’ve ever met, as well as me, had no idea that extending a hand might be considered offensive to anyone. Not that I want to agree with **ZPGZealot’s** level of offense (shaking hands is NOT rape), but the prohibition of physical contact between women and unrelated men is by no means restricted to the Roma. Some Jewish groups and quite a few Middle Eastern cultures have this prohibition, and undoubtedly there are others as well. For those living in Western nations, a good rule of thumb might be that if a woman is attired in mainstream clothes and engaged in mainstream business occupations assuming handshaking is OK is probably alright. If, however, she is in ethnic attire it might be better to say “I would like to shake your hand”, thereby giving the women an opportunity to either extend her hand, or to say “in my culture women do not shake hands”. If you are a woman of a group that has this prohibition then a simple statement of “in my culture women do not shake hands” in a calm and non-confrontational manner should be all that is needed. Needless to say, Western Man should not insist but should withdraw his hand with minimal fuss (if he has extended it at all) and state that he did not mean any offense. That really should take care of the problem 99% of the time, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/127 "2013-10-28T18:41:18Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > For those living in Western nations, a good rule of thumb might be that if a woman is attired in mainstream clothes and engaged in mainstream business occupations assuming handshaking is OK is probably alright. If, however, she is in ethnic attire it might be better to say “I would like to shake your hand”, thereby giving the women an opportunity to either extend her hand, or to say “in my culture women do not shake hands”. Yeah, that’s totally reasonable, **for someone aware of this issue**. In many areas, however, encountering a woman for whom it’s an issue is a vanishingly rare occurrence, and they may be excused for being ignorant of the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/128 "2013-10-28T18:44:47Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t remember the details, but I seem to recall her saying something about her culture doesn’t do adoption, particularly not of non-relatives. I’m not really prepared to take **ZPGZealot** ’s claims about her culture at face value. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/129 "2013-10-28T18:50:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So when it’s a friendly gentleman who happens to be ignorant of your customs, then it’s no big deal, right? Of course not - any violation of a cultural norm, even unintentional, is a crime. That why, as a Jew, if someone were to offer me a BLT, I’d assume he was a Nazi and shoot him. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/130 "2013-10-28T18:54:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not really prepared to take **ZPGZealot** ’s claims about her culture at face value. You shouldn’t. [Here she offers a high five](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16786207&postcount=70). How is that not the same as a handshake/rape? ---
**Author:** ![Dolomite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@Dolomite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dolomite)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/131 "2013-10-28T18:55:52Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Haven’t there been similar cases in America recently where parents adopted children legally but then transferred them illegally to other families when they got tired of the children? Yes. [Reuters Investigates - The Child Exchange](http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1) ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/132 "2013-10-28T19:04:59Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > You shouldn’t. [Here she offers a high five](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16786207&postcount=70). How is that not the same as a handshake/rape? Because it’s over the internet; therefore, no actual physical contact occurs. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/133 "2013-10-28T19:11:05Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Because it’s over the internet; therefore, no actual physical contact occurs. The thought should never even occurred to you if it’s so ingrained in your culture. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/134 "2013-10-28T19:12:09Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Because it’s over the internet; therefore, no actual physical contact occurs. Did you check first to see if the person you offered it to comes from a culture that considers virtual high fives to be offensive? Did you ask them if it was okay to offer it? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/135 "2013-10-28T19:23:14Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > The thought should never even occurred to you if it’s so ingrained in your culture. Get serious, the term is very common in American culture and net message board culture. Women highfive each other all the time. In meat space I would be just as comfortable doing so with a man if we were both wearing gloves. And like any other sort of physical contact it is perfectly polite for a woman to extend an invitation for a man to engage in it with her. What is not acceptable is for a man to demand the right to have physical contact with a woman against her express wishes. See the difference? Probably not. The idea that women have the right to say no about having their bodies touched seems to be alien to so many men. You know, I am beginning to wonder if most of the controversary over the Maria case couldn’t be traced to the fact that it was her mother (you know, the woman) who seems to have made the decision to place the child with the D family. I suspect that if her father announced he gave the child to the D’s a lot less people would be so concerned. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/136 "2013-10-28T19:25:59Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Did you check first to see if the person you offered it to comes from a culture that considers virtual high fives to be offensive? Did you ask them if it was okay to offer it? Only one culture can be correct (hint: it’s not yours). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/137 "2013-10-28T19:35:39Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Get serious, the term is very common in American culture and net message board culture. Women highfive each other all the time. In meat space I would be just as comfortable doing so with a man if we were both wearing gloves. And like any other sort of physical contact it is perfectly polite for a woman to extend an invitation for a man to engage in it with her. What is not acceptable is for a man to demand the right to have physical contact with a woman against her express wishes. See the difference? Probably not. The idea that women have the right to say no about having their bodies touched seems to be alien to so many men. You know, I am beginning to wonder if most of the controversary over the Maria case couldn’t be traced to the fact that it was her mother (you know, the woman) who seems to have made the decision to place the child with the D family. I suspect that if her father announced he gave the child to the D’s a lot less people would be so concerned. So it’s alright for the woman to demand contact but not the man? Or is it your little word game that a woman _offers_ contact but a man _demands_ it. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/138 "2013-10-28T19:39:56Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Of course not - any violation of a cultural norm, even unintentional, is a crime. That why, as a Jew, if someone were to offer me a BLT, I’d assume he was a Nazi and shoot him. Just like a Gentleman. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/139 "2013-10-28T19:43:27Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So it’s alright for the woman to demand contact but not the man? > Or is it your little word game that a woman _offers_ contact but a man _demands_ it. Which gender has the longest history of raping the other? Hint, it’s not the one with vaginas. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215/140 "2013-10-28T19:43:59Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > And like any other sort of physical contact it is perfectly polite for a woman to extend an invitation for a man to engage in it with her. What is not acceptable is for a man to demand the right to have physical contact with a woman against her express wishes. I’m going to assume that this “against her express wishes” is an elaborate typo, since you’ve not been talking about expressed wishes, but rather about what should be assumed. You probably meant to type “unexpressed wishes.” As such, if you think it’s okay for a woman to engage in the behavior but not the man, you’re sexist scum. There are men who are uncomfortable touching women, and for a woman to get to operate according to standards men don’t is obnoxious and perpetuative of patriarchy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-greek-police-may-all-of-you-be-cuckcolded-by-diseased-gigolos/672215.md?page=8)