# Fuck You Jeb Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713 "2005-06-17T15:29:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/41 "2005-06-18T07:34:43Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > can a christian come along and please explain to me, how is it that people who believe in heaven and eternal happiness and all that come to the conclusion that miss TS was BETTER off alive than dead? not trying to be an ass here but I just cant get my brain around this stance. she was a frigging vegatabe, in some ways worse, she wasnt ever going to get better, the only thing her 15 years of unlife accomplished was a massive financial drain, a truly fantastic load of stupid drama from everyone concerned (except of all people her husband) and the embarassment of the republican party. > > I dont get it. Listen carefully. They know more than you about such things. They know what is right. They will have you follow their ways if you want to or not. You don’t have to get it. They get it and that’s good enough. I don’t get it either. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/42 "2005-06-18T07:56:56Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > can a christian come along and please explain to me, how is it that people who believe in heaven and eternal happiness and all that come to the conclusion that miss TS was BETTER off alive than dead? not trying to be an ass here but I just cant get my brain around this stance. she was a frigging vegatabe, in some ways worse, she wasnt ever going to get better, the only thing her 15 years of unlife accomplished was a massive financial drain, a truly fantastic load of stupid drama from everyone concerned (except of all people her husband) and the embarassment of the republican party. > > I dont get it. What I’ve been wondering is why these people are still spending so much time over Terri’s “Right to life.” Don’t they know that there’s a war on? People are dying every day over there and they aren’t protesting in D.C. **Mandatory disclaimer** : I am not taking a swing at the Bush administration or trying to hijack this thread into a discussion of the Iraq war. I’m just saying that these people are very selective about who has the “right to life.” ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/43 "2005-06-18T13:14:43Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > can a christian come along and please explain to me, how is it that people who believe in heaven and eternal happiness and all that come to the conclusion that miss TS was BETTER off alive than dead? not trying to be an ass here but I just cant get my brain around this stance. she was a frigging vegatabe, in some ways worse, she wasnt ever going to get better, the only thing her 15 years of unlife accomplished was a massive financial drain, a truly fantastic load of stupid drama from everyone concerned (except of all people her husband) and the embarassment of the republican party. > > I dont get it. I’m more agnostic than Christian, but the argument you’ll probably hear is one comparing Terri Schiavo to anyone requiring a lot of help (medical or otherwise). Should we off the profoundly retarded who will never do anything more than drool in a nursing home? You’ll also get the argument that choosing to die is suicide, a sin, and thus as it will be your final action sent you straight to hell. Don’t hurt me too bad; I’m just playing Christian’s advocate. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/44 "2005-06-18T13:20:11Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > can a christian come along and please explain to me, how is it that people who believe in heaven and eternal happiness and all that come to the conclusion that miss TS was BETTER off alive than dead? Let me give it a shot: 1. All life is God’s gift and precious. 2. God determines when it’s time to die. 3. Mere human beings shouldn’t play God and interfere with The Lord’s dictates on life. 4. Therefore life is to be preserved no matter what, even if it means hooking the container for that life up to machines, inserting feeding tubes, jump-starting a heart that stops… Um, that doesn’t sound right. Let me get back to you on that. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/45 "2005-06-18T13:26:16Z")
FYI, you can email the Jebster at \. Will it even be read by the guy, let alone do any good? I seriously doubt it, but it might feel good to send a message anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/46 "2005-06-18T13:39:04Z")
Well, here’s what one proud Catholic, Rick Santorum, [had to say on the subject:](http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05169/523762.stm) > [@](#): > > "I stood up for what I believe was right in defending a disabled person from being executed. I don’t think we should execute disabled people who have not expressed their desire as to how they should be handled, how their life should be dealt with. > > “I don’t think we should end their life simply because they are disabled. That’s a very telling thing about a society that is willing to say that because they are not someone that is normal in the eyes of the world, that they have a life not worth living.” Two things I’d tell Mr. Santorum if he were a member of this message board. [ol][li] Terri Schiavo was not merely disabled, she was effectively brain dead.[/li] [li]Ms. Schiavo did express her desire as to how her life should be dealt with. _It’s just that her parents refused to listen!_[/ol][/li] This Christian’s opinion is that there isn’t anything to fear in death and prolonging Ms. Schiavo’s existence in this manner was a travesty and an injustice. It’s my sincere belief and hope that her soul departed her body 15 years ago. I’m glad her body is free now, too. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/47 "2005-06-18T14:15:23Z")
> [@](#): > > In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie McCabe, the governor said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5 a.m. on Feb. 25, 1990, and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 a.m. He called 911 at 5:40 a.m. > > “Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I am aware of no explanation for the delay,” Bush wrote. "In light of this **new information** , I urge you to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome."bolding mine This is new information? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/48 "2005-06-18T14:23:24Z")
How is any of this “new information”? Haven’t all the facts and various statements from all the court cases and interviews been out there for all who were even the least bit interested to read? Didn’t Jeb bother to educate himself on the whole matter when he first stuck his nose into it? From what I’ve been reading Bush is making his whole assessment of a 40 to 70 minute time gap based on various interviews where MS gave different times and what the Schindler’s lawyer is saying. It was 15 years ago and how many people remember things accurately or will shorten a time and say “I found her around 5am”, when they meant 5:40am. According to the autopsy report the initial call was at 5:40 am, the paramedics arrived and found MS and Bobbie Schindler with TS at 5:52 am. She arrived at Northside Hospital at 6:46am and her blood was drawn at 7:01am. If one of the Schindler’s was there so quick it seems to indicate they were staying with them or that they were close by and MS called them at around the same time as EMS. It hardly sounds like something someone would do if they had done something to her to cause her collapse especially if he actually wanted her dead. Jeb is just being even more dispicable than he was during the whole fiasco. Oh and the fact that Bernie McCabe has agreed to look into it means absolutely nothing. If the governor asked any law enforcement agency to look into some granny’s parking tickets they’d agree. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/49 "2005-06-18T18:07:25Z")
Please keep in mind that the Christian Right does not represent the views of most Christians. They are just the more vocal ones because many believe that they have a right to make their religious beliefs government policy. As usual, I’m with **Siege** on this one. If there had been anything suspicious in the circumstances fifteen years ago, I think the medical staff would have alerted the police. Certainly, someone in the judicial system would have picked up on it in the last fifteen years. This is new information only to Jeb Bush. My question is this. Why should Bush mention the 911 call at all unless he is presecuting Michael Schiavo? Why not simply ask for an investigation into the cause of her collapse? _He_ is the one putting spin on it my implicating Terri’s husband. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/50 "2005-06-18T21:18:08Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > FYI, you can email the Jebster at \. Will it even be read by the guy, let alone do any good? I seriously doubt it, but it might feel good to send a message anyway. **Revtim** , I removed the email address in your post, per [the new rule](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6132864&postcount=5) regarding posting of email or other contact information. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/51 "2005-06-18T22:32:24Z")
Oh, OK. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2005, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/52 "2005-06-18T22:33:40Z")
Really, what this makes me want to “investigate” is the possibility that Barbara Bush was noshing on lead paint chips. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/53 "2005-06-19T02:40:04Z")
I echo the sentiment of the OP. We need a CT of Jeb’s head to see what is sloshing around in there. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2005, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/54 "2005-06-19T03:04:48Z")
_You_ may want to know what’s in there. I don’t. I just ate. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2005, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/55 "2005-06-19T04:46:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Never mind. > > I’m either a terrible communicator when it comes to this point, or a ravening idiot ABOUT this point. > > Or possibly both. Serious question, **Bricker**. You’re a lawyer. If you were a prosecutor, is this a case you would want to run with? If so, what would be the best outcome you could hope for? I’m having trouble understanding this. Bush said this: > [@](#): > > Bush said his request for the probe was not meant to suggest wrongdoing by Michael Schiavo. “It’s a significant question that during this ordeal was never brought up,” Bush told reporters But what could he hope for other than a mere suggestion of wrongdoing by Shiavo? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/56 "2005-06-19T20:45:17Z")
If he doesn’t even know what his own position _is_, there’s no point interrogating him about it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/57 "2005-06-20T00:09:15Z")
[http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article\_display.jsp?vnu\_content\_id=1000964305](http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000964305) > [@](#): > > NEW YORK A pitched battle has broken out between Gov. Jeb Bush and The New York Times–on the newspaper’s editorial page. > > Two days ago, the Times criticized the governor in an editorial called “Autopsy on the Schiavo Tragedy.” While not naming Bush, it denounced “opportunistic politicians” who exploited the case. Today, the Times published a hard-hitting, critical letter from Jeb Bush–and another editorial attacking him. > > Bush, in his letter, said that the Times’ "grotesque and chilling disrespect for the sanctity of life has never been more apparent than in your June 16 editorial…Terri Schiavo was a deeply loved daughter, wife, sister and friend. The fact that her brain was atrophied or that she was blind or could not have been rehabilitated doesn’t change that fact. > > "While many medical professionals said she was in a persistent vegetative state, still other highly respected neurologists said there was a chance that she was not. :rolleyes: I read the veredict of the judge in the Florida case circa 2002, She virtually called those doctors quacks. This nincompoop Governor has no reading comprehension at all. The NY Times response: > [@](#): > > "For most of the nation, that news provided closure on a wrenching episode. But not for Mr. Bush, who asked a state prosecutor to investigate Michael Schiavo, Ms. Schiavo’s husband. Mr. Bush said he wanted to clear up discrepancies in Mr. Schiavo’s statements over the last 15 years about the time that elapsed between his finding his wife on the floor and his 911 call… > > “Of all the politicians who tragically failed to understand and respect the sanctity and privacy of family life in this case, only Mr. Bush seems determined to save face by disturbing the family’s peace further and berating those who had been saying all along that he was going down a terrible road.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/58 "2005-06-20T01:29:33Z")
My mistake, the judge was a He; still, those “highly respected neurologists” were pretending then that their treatments would heal her! They may be neurologists but a couple of them were trying to apply remedies that were completely out of the scope of the condition Ms. Shiavo was. I still wonder why they were not arrested then for malpractice! And they say that Jeb is the smart one of the Bushes? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/59 "2005-06-20T01:35:27Z")
I wonder if jebby isn’t preparing for 2008. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713/60 "2005-06-20T01:44:13Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I wonder if jebby isn’t preparing for 2008. If he is, he’s doing a good job of alienating this Republican. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-jeb-bush/308713.md?page=4)