# Fuck you, Joe Manchin!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [October 25, 2021, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201 "2021-10-25T23:03:10Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/82 "2021-11-07T01:00:08Z")
The American left is a miracle. Simultaneously responsible for every negative event that happens and too insignificant to consider placating.
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### Author:  [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/83 "2021-11-07T03:08:30Z")
[This article lists the 13 Repubs who voted for the bill.](https://news.yahoo.com/13-house-republicans-defied-kevin-040103671.html)
I’m surprised that Liz Cheney is not among them.
ETA:
> [@](#):
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> - Rep. Don Bacon of Nebraska
> - Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania
> - Rep. Andrew Garbarino of New York
> - Rep. Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio
> - Rep. John Katko of New York
> - Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
> - Rep. Nicole Malliotakis of New York
> - Rep. David McKinley of West Virginia
> - Rep. Tom Reed of New York
> - Rep. Chris Smith of New Jersey
> - Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan
> - Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey
> - Rep. Don Young of Alaska
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### Author:  [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/84 "2021-11-07T03:16:12Z")
> [@Senegoid](#):
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> I’m surprised that Liz Cheney is not among them.
Why? She’s incredibly conservative. On actual policy, there aren’t that many to the right of her. If she has any interest in re-election, voting against it was the right play.
Her claim to fame is that she isn’t budging on the Trump thing. Other than that, I got no use for her.
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### Author:  [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/85 "2021-11-07T03:18:25Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#):
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> If she has any interest in re-election, voting against it was the right play.
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> Her claim to fame is that she isn’t budging on the Trump thing.
Hasn’t she pretty much already torpedoed herself over this?
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### Author:  [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/86 "2021-11-07T03:21:22Z")
Maybe. But her natural inclination would have been to vote against this anyway. It would only be to spite the Republicans to vote for it.
She isn’t a good person. Not even remotely. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree in her case.
It’s just that she’s better than most of the rest of her party. It’s a low, low bar, but there are so few GOPers that clear it that we laud them when they do.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/87 "2021-11-07T20:28:13Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#):
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> On actual policy, there aren’t that many to the right of her. If she has any interest in re-election, voting against it was the right play.
True, and on that list there are a number of already known non-returning members, members from places where a no vote may be held against them with some effect, and Young of Alaska, the Dean of the House, who at this point in his career has No F\*\*\*s Left To Give and will gladly remind you of that if you let him.
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/88 "2021-11-07T20:38:12Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#):
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> The American left is a miracle. Simultaneously responsible for every negative event that happens and too insignificant to consider placating.
Perhaps they should consider joining forces with the radical right. They deserve all the blame they get too, and nobody is in the mood to placate them either.
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### Author:  [@BrickBat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrickBat)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/89 "2021-11-07T21:10:45Z")
I don’t think that’s what he meant. I believe he was making an observation ( or a clever jab, if you will ) that one one hand the democratic party leadership regards the left as largely irrelevant as far as influence goes, yet on the other hand they’re relevant and influential enough to be responsible “for every negative event that happens”.
As for the hard right, they’re all too influential and actively courted by the republican party, not just for their votes, but in setting policy.
Big difference.
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### Author:  [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/90 "2021-11-07T21:27:44Z")
Oh, he knew what that post meant.
It’s just that he was _also_ taking a clever jab, by saying exactly what he believes, which is that he would draw some real vindication from seeing people on the far left identify with the right. They’re going to blame the left for the failures of their own governance either way, but it would be more satisfying if they really believed there was some kind of horseshoe theory in operation. What’s policy have to do with politics, anyway.
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### Author:  [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/91 "2021-11-07T21:33:28Z")
The two ideas: “The left is too small a faction for us to consider their priorities to be important,” and “The left is responsible for us not being able to do good things,” are in conflict if you actually want to do good things.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [November 8, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/92 "2021-11-08T18:09:30Z")
It’s not really that much of a paradox. Throw an 8mm ball bearing at the grille of a ‘54 DeSoto, and you won’t deflect its trajectory, but toss it in the carburetor and you’ll stop it cold.
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### Author:  [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/93 "2021-12-16T23:19:28Z")
> **[Joe Manchin Rejects Democratic Plan to Ban New Drilling in Atlantic and...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/climate/manchin-offshore-drilling-climate.html)**
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> The senator from West Virginia, a coal and gas stronghold, has single-handedly stripped key elements from his party’s plan to tackle climate change.
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/94 "2021-12-16T23:55:19Z")
Fucker’s shithole of a boat needs to get bombarded with lumps of coal.
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/95 "2021-12-17T00:36:15Z")
To a conservative, anything less than “all the time” is a betrayal.
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/96 "2021-12-17T00:58:24Z")
> [@ratatoskK](#):
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> [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/climate/manchin-offshore-drilling-climate.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/climate/manchin-offshore-drilling-climate.html)
Manchin is the handmaiden of the fossil-fuel industry, and that, combined with his sanctimonious posturings whenever he torpedoes a Democratic agenda item, make him deplorable.
But let’s never forget that EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN in Congress will ALSO reject any plan to ban new offshore drilling. (And will reject every other measure introduced in Congress to stop heating up the planet.)
(Yes, I know this particular thread is about Manchin and not about the deplorable Republicans. But: perspective.)
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### Author:  [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/97 "2021-12-17T05:54:25Z")
> [@bobot](#):
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> > [@Pardel-Lux](#):
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> > If a Republican In Name Only is a RINO, is Joe Manchin a [DINO](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00116dino.html)?
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> I think “Republican” about covers Manchin.
He’s a DINO. Why isn’t everyone everywhere calling him that?
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2021, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/98 "2021-12-17T05:58:08Z")
Aye: the best course of action is to drive him from the party! Right?
🤨
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/99 "2021-12-18T01:22:43Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> Aye: the best course of action is to drive him from the party! Right? -
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> 🤨
No, as you well know. If Joe Manchin goes GOP, we get Mitch back.
Still: Manchin does remain a pretty disgraceful individual. (It’s the sanctimony that grates, even more than the opposition.)
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### Author:  [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2021, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/100 "2021-12-18T06:28:26Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#):
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> No, as you well know. If Joe Manchin goes GOP, we get Mitch back.
Right, we need to keep him as one of our pet DINOs.
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2021, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-joe-manchin/953201/101 "2021-12-18T10:07:28Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#):
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> Still: Manchin does remain a pretty disgraceful individual. (It’s the sanctimony that grates, even more than the opposition.)
A nitpick, but I 'll go there, anyway - JM could be as sanctimonious as whoever that David Ogden Steirs character was in _MASH_ (or Kanye West, well, in a slightly psychotic, inchoate way) for all I strongly care, but his oppositional fuckery I find a lot more concerning.
Then again, if you’re specifically homing in on a grating element (rather than a concerning one) then I suppose that can apply more to his sanctimony than toxic obstructionism.
_Don’t want to be,_
_Under the sea,_
_In an octopus’s garden,_
_Getting drilled._
_Joe’d let us in,_
_His, floating bin,_
_And court, the correct toadies, in spades._
_He’d check his_
_An-cient
Ro-lo-deh-ex._
_Then cul-ti-vate more_
_Oil lob-by-ists._
_Joe’d like to be,_
_Rapin’ that sea,_
_As long as his state voters_
_Keep him in._
_With Joe’s clout,_
_Simps, flail about,_
_Watching through the reeds, within the waves._
_(Oh what joy, for Jordan and Dejoy,_
_Fearing that they are, no longer safe.)_
_Fuck Joe Man-chin_
_With, a cac-tus,_
_With no one there,_
_To tell him what to do._
_Don’t want to be,_
_Under the sea,_
_When oil patches come floatin,_
_O’er me._ 😢
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