# Fuck You, Judd Gregg **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598 "2009-02-12T22:07:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/201 "2009-02-13T20:54:44Z")
On the other hand, if it were “whine”, she would be Dom fucking Perignon. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/202 "2009-02-13T20:58:04Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Guess that means I wasn’t wrong. Oh, I think he qualifies as family, doesn’t he? I mean, I feel like I’m a part of my family. Don’t you feel like you’re a part of your family? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/203 "2009-02-13T21:03:54Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Oh, I think he qualifies as family, doesn’t he? I mean, I feel like I’m a part of my family. Don’t you feel like you’re a part of your family? I think it only counts if at least one other person in the family uses it. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/204 "2009-02-13T21:08:27Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > I think it only counts if at least one other person in the family uses it. As Bush himself said in Washington, D.C., on May 2, 2007, “Wisdom and strength, and my family, is what I’d like for you to pray for.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/205 "2009-02-13T21:25:25Z")
Too late. By that point in his administration, we were all praying for _ourselves_. Just how lame is it to give \*yourself \*a nickname? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/206 "2009-02-13T21:46:48Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Christ, Obama is a moron. If my life were on the line and I had one person to choose to help me with his or her full attention, either with the power of the office behind him or her or not, and Obama were one of the choices and you or W or Cheney the other, I’d pick Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/207 "2009-02-13T21:53:07Z")
Unless I needed someone shot in the face, then I’d pick Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/208 "2009-02-13T21:58:48Z")
Cheney botched even that. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/209 "2009-02-13T22:44:34Z")
I didn’t say I wanted anybody dead. What do you take me for? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/210 "2009-02-13T23:03:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My guess is that Gregg expected to have more input and to have been more of a moderating influence (i.e., he expected true bipartisanship) and he didn’t anticipate the I-won-the-election-so-fuck-you attitude that Obama seems to have been displaying since he took office. I never cease to be amazed at these RW posts that are not only detached from reality but an **inversion** of reality, as if they are posted from some alternate Earth where all the politicians have the same names but everything else is Bizarro. In this particular instance, the reality is more like [this.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=01302009&type=c) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/211 "2009-02-13T23:08:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > In this particular instance, the reality is more like [this.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=01302009&type=c) Or even [this](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html). ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/212 "2009-02-13T23:13:46Z")
There was certainly bi-partisanship _against_ Obama’s impending train-wreck of a ‘stimulus package’ - 7 Democrats joined the Republicans to wisely vote against it. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/213 "2009-02-13T23:26:40Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > - 7 Democrats joined the Republicans to wisely vote against it. Stick with the losers, ehh? Now _that’s_ sage advice! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/214 "2009-02-14T03:05:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > [Quote=tomndebb] > Simple trolling. > > The larger question is why anyone responds to obvious trolling. You mean the way you did? So now calling the President names is trolling? Even if it really is his name, and not “Shrub” or something like that. _:shrugs:_ We have taken another step towards defining trolling as “any post that mocks one of the sacred cows of liberalism”. [/QUOTE] I have not responded to **Stephe96** ’s trolling, so you are either lying or stupid, (or both, of course). I answered a question by another poster. As to your further claim about definitions, your post indicates that you are again, lying, stupid, or both. Simply using a right-wing racist’s appellation for the president is not trolling and I never said it was. However, repeatedly posting the same formulaic opening to nearly every post, using a construction that will clearly irritate the more easily goaded left-wingers on the board, is trolling and since the use of the president’s middle name was a core piece of that action, the answer to the question “_why?_” is answered by the broader response, “_because he is trolling_.” It does not bother me that he is insulting either the president or posters on the Left any more than it bothers me when you behave in the same fashion. (It would be nice if you participated in **GD** rather than dropping your line in that Forum, but since your nonsense is neither more nor less idiotic than the nonsense spewed by some of the more hostile, unthinking members of the Left, I figure it all balances out. Intelligent posters and those seeking to learn will ignore you just as they ignore the Lefty extremists, so no serious harm is done by any of the partisans who have nothing to contribute but hatred.) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/215 "2009-02-14T03:08:59Z")
So…I didn’t see a mod hat, but do we have a mod telling us that we have a troll loose on the board? I thought there were rules against that. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/216 "2009-02-14T03:16:07Z")
I have always figured that there is a difference between committing an act and being an actor defined by that action. A basically honest person may occasionally lie. A basically civil person may occasionally spew vile and violent epithets. A poster whose habits do not include trolling may occasionally troll a particular thread. Since **Stephe96** has not been habitually trolling **Great Debates** , I will not make the assumption that his actions on the first page of this thread are indicative of his character regarding trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/217 "2009-02-14T03:17:22Z")
Hey, **tom**! You owe me a couple of apologies! (Well, more than two, actually, but I’m only making an issue of the major ones.) [Cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10821519&postcount=124) So, how’s about it? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/218 "2009-02-14T03:48:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So, how’s about it? Are you going to apologize for all the insults you have hurled at me when I have hurled none at you? Or are you simply going to hide behind a screen of disingenuousness regarding your comments about Obama and insist that I apologize for interpreting your comments in ways you don’t like? I suspect that I would disagree about posts where you claim to have been “neutral.” (And were you deliberately misreading my post, here? I have never claimed that you get anything from Hannity or Beck, (they are probably too 21st century for you, anyway :p). I simply noted that your opinions tend to resemble theirs. Too much work for too little payback on my part. You’ve expended all the good will capital I have extended to you over the years. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/219 "2009-02-14T03:49:01Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I have always figured that there is a difference between committing an act and being an actor defined by that action. Well, it’s like the joke with the punchline “But you fuck one sheep…” I don’t think I agree with you, though. An x-er is someone who does x. If someone lies, they’re a liar, for instance. They’re not neccesarily a habitual liar, or a person who’s general dishonest, but they are, in that one instance, a liar. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/220 "2009-02-14T03:58:05Z")
The problem with claiming that someone is an (_x_)-er is that no one ever notes that lack of the word “habitual” and nearly everyone assumes that it is present. I understand the motivation for saying that a person who has ever told a lie or trolled a thread “is” a liar or a troll, but I think that it leads to faulty conclusions. Should every person who ever pocketed a stick of gum they did not own between the ages of three and nine be labeled a thief for the rest of their lives? I am particularly reluctant to throw out the label “troll” for the obnoxious actions by a poster in a single thread that would cause that poster to be banned. It seems like a bit of overkill. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598.md?page=12)