# Fuck You, Judd Gregg **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598 "2009-02-12T22:07:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/281 "2009-02-17T03:39:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > **tomndebb,** > > I understand how you might interpret the repeated use of of Hussein as an intentional irritant, and therefore, trolling. My question is, as best as you can recall, did anyone ever get a trolling warning/banning/admonition/scolding for the repeated use of “Shrub” or “Chimp” in threads about Dubya? Either here or over in GD where you spend most of your time? Either by yourself or another mod? Are you reading Shodan’s odd posts and ignoring mine? I have not warned anyone on the issue. I did not even rebuke anyone or even address the author of this issue on the point. I certainly have not mentioned his behavior to any other staff member or suggested to anyone that any official action should be taken as the result of his posts. He submitted a series of posts using deliberately taunting language to get a rise out of posters who supported President Obama. This is the Pit; he is welcome to do so. That does not make his posting less an action of trolling, it just means that in this thread, that was the course he pursued. And, as I have noted more than once, an act of trolling is not the same as being a troll, (unless one is the sort who declares that a child who fibbed about the crayon picture on the wall at age two should henceforth and forever be known as a liar–a position I have explicitly rejected). One part of his trolling was a repeated use of the name Hussein. He is, again, welcome to employ it how he wishes. When a poster who had not caught on to what he was doing asked “Why?” the answer was “trolling,” but that does not mean that he should suffer any repercussions for that act as long as it does not become the salient action for which he is known on the SDMB. If he wandered through Great Debates or General Questions, employing “Hussein” at every opportunity in a manner that made it clear that he was tryng to get a rise out of other posters, he might garner some official notice, but an occasional use, even there, would not bring down wrath on his head. > [@magellan01](#): > > Different question: Hussein is the President’s middle name, so why not allow someone to use it all he wants? Might not a better course of action been to tell those offenders to get over it, it’s his name. And if the person repeating it wants to STILL keep repeating it, have him run the risk of looking either childish or having just one trick up his sleeve? Where did you get this question? Who has been subjected to any disciplinary action for employing “Hussein”? (I know one childish poster who will now begin to employ it resolutely, but as you note, he will simply mark himself as childish, to the extent that he is not already perceived so). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/282 "2009-02-17T04:21:48Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I should point out that I used Shrub even when I thought positively about Bush the Younger. Too dignified for me, personally. I prefer Bush the Lesses. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/283 "2009-02-17T05:53:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > All of which has nothing absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand here… The _issue at hand_ here is that House Republicans smiled and coozed over Obama, even asking him for his autograph, right before giving him the shaft on the Stimulus vote. Or was it that California is about to go belly-up? No, maybe it’s whether President Obama is being irresponsible for taking days off and using Marine One and Air Force One. No, that’s not it. I think it’s [about the traitorous assholes](http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/39871) who took President Obama’s picture down from an Air Force Commissary. Or, god, I’M SO FUCKING CONFUSED! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/284 "2009-02-17T06:25:40Z")
What I was talking about in the comment you quoted was **tomndebb’s** having used my supposed meanness to him in the past to justify his not recanting and apologizing for assertions he made with regard to my posting history regarding Barack Obama, assertions which weren’t mere misunderstandings but made up out of whole cloth in the dim recesses of his alleged mind. In short, it was a comment made within the context of the discussion between **tomndebb** and me had nothing to do with congressional Republicans or any of the other things you mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/285 "2009-02-17T07:11:59Z")
blah blah blah ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/286 "2009-02-17T07:28:50Z")
You axed. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/287 "2009-02-17T07:47:06Z")
Well, you got whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/288 "2009-02-17T14:11:01Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Where did you get this question? It’s been asked before - notably in posts #127 and #139 of this thread. > [@](#): > > Who has been subjected to any disciplinary action for employing “Hussein”? Well, since you have clearly (or not so clearly) identified that use as “simple trolling”, then either [ol][li]“simple trolling” is acceptable (as long as it is part of a pattern of trolling, and is done repeatedly within a single thread but not habitually, or if it’s me), or [_]this is a thinly veiled threat to **Stephe96** , or, most likely of all[_][there’s glory for you](http://www.sabian.org/Alice/lgchap06.htm).[/ol][/li]Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/289 "2009-02-17T14:15:46Z")
[quote=“Shodan, post:288, topic:485598”] Well, since you have clearly (or not so clearly) identified that use as “simple trolling”, then either [list=1][li]“simple trolling” is acceptable (as long as it is part of a pattern of trolling, and is done repeatedly within a single thread but not habitually, or if it’s me), or this is a thinly veiled threat to **Stephe96** , …[/li][/QUOTE] Y’know, when I was a mod, there were any number of posters that I personally believed were trolls, yet I also moderatorially believed that there was insufficient evidence to take official action. That’s not a contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/290 "2009-02-17T14:58:36Z")
[quote=“Shodan, post:288, topic:485598”] It’s been asked before - notably in posts #127 and #139 of this thread. Well, since you have clearly (or not so clearly) identified that use as “simple trolling”, then either [ol][li]“simple trolling” is acceptable (as long as it is part of a pattern of trolling, and is done repeatedly within a single thread but not habitually, or if it’s me), or [_]this is a thinly veiled threat to **Stephe96** , or, most likely of all[_][there’s glory for you](http://www.sabian.org/Alice/lgchap06.htm).[/ol][/li][/QUOTE] Three swings and all misses. You left out the most obvious probable case: his actions were simply not sufficiently serious to warrant Mod action. Just as it is extremely rare to find a location where one will be ticketed for exceeding the speed limit by fewer than five miles per hour, even though, technically, exceeding the speed limit by even one mile per hour violates the law, the trolling in which he engaged in the first page or so of this thread, (much as minor cases of threadshitting in which you and your corresponding lefty mates engage in GD), is simply too minor an irritant to justify slamming with a hammer. ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/291 "2009-02-18T00:24:20Z")
On a minor side note, every time I see this thread title I think for a moment that it says “Fuck you Judge Dredd.” ---
**Author:** ![Claptree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@Claptree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claptree)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/292 "2009-02-18T12:42:57Z")
> [@photopat](#): > > On a minor side note, every time I see this thread title I think for a moment that it says “Fuck you Judge Dredd.” You are not alone [QUOTE=Claptree] By the way, am I the only one consistently doing double-takes every time I see Gregg’s name? It just will not stop reading Judge Dredd. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/293 "2009-02-18T14:48:28Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Three swings and all misses. > > You left out the most obvious probable case: his actions were simply not sufficiently serious to warrant Mod action. Just as it is extremely rare to find a location where one will be ticketed for exceeding the speed limit by fewer than five miles per hour, even though, technically, exceeding the speed limit by even one mile per hour violates the law, the trolling in which he engaged in the first page or so of this thread, (much as minor cases of threadshitting in which you and your corresponding lefty mates engage in GD), is simply too minor an irritant to justify slamming with a hammer. Did you really mean to say that a little trolling is okay? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/294 "2009-02-18T17:44:14Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Did you really mean to say that a little trolling is okay? How deliberately dishonest, not to say disingenous, for you to deliberately misinterpret what he said. 😃 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/295 "2009-02-18T18:28:55Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Did you really mean to say that a little trolling is okay? I think what he’s saying is that a little nose-tweaking is okay, and in the Pit, a little calling out a nose tweaker as “trolling” is allowed, even for moderators who happen to be posting as private citizens. As always, of course, serious accusations of trollery are best handled behind the scenes through the “Report Post” icon. For instance: > [@Shodan](#): > > How deliberately dishonest, not to say disingenous, for you to deliberately misinterpret what he said. > > Regards, > Shodan Shut the fuck up, you fucking troll. Not to speak for **tom~** of course. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/296 "2009-02-18T18:48:57Z")
Wow, everyone’s so uptight around here. In light of the fact that there seems to be a bit of confusion as to the topic, let me [refresh your memories](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmNiTwHOsM). ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/297 "2009-02-18T19:48:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > For instance:Shut the fuck up, you fucking troll. No, I don’t think I will. Of course, this kind of mindless, knee-jerk response, in which you post to a thread something merely to irritate, is characteristic of a certain, rather low and not terribly entertaining form of drivel. No doubt the best you can do. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/298 "2009-02-18T19:54:21Z")
Pardon me while I savor the irony… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/299 "2009-02-18T20:04:33Z")
I assume “the irony”, in this case, means “some stranger’s asshole”. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/300 "2009-02-18T20:09:03Z")
I do often compare your posts to strangers’ assholes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598.md?page=16)