# Fuck You, Judd Gregg **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598 "2009-02-12T22:07:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/41 "2009-02-12T23:50:36Z")
What the bloody fuck does that have to do with what a self-centered worm Judd Gregg is for backing out of his commitment to the American People? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/42 "2009-02-12T23:50:54Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Christ, Obama is a moron. Takes one to know one. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/43 "2009-02-12T23:52:09Z")
Or more precisely, it takes one to believe Obama’s one. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/44 "2009-02-13T00:03:29Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I love it. Barack “I screwed up” Obama humiliated once again! How the fuck was Obama humiliated? Gregg promoted himself for the job extensively, made conditions for his replacement, which Lynch and Obama both agreed to and carried out, and then withdrew because he didn’t want to carry out Obama’s priorities, which he somehow didn’t figure out before. > [@Stephe96](#): > > Gregg very likely doesn’t want to be anywhere near Hussein’s disastrous Hogzilla ‘stimulus’ package. Oh, you’re promoting the old ‘spending isn’t stimulus’ canard, and claiming that the bill is filled with pork. By the way, why do you keep calling Barack Obama ‘Hussein’? George Bush was known by his middle name to his family, so it developed into a national nickname. The same is not true for the current president. > [@elfkin477](#): > > I’m glad he withdrew. I didn’t trust Lynch to keep his promise to appoint another republican to Judd’s seat anyway. Given that he already picked a Republican to fill it.. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/45 "2009-02-13T00:04:55Z")
I think this whole Gregg thing was designed to embarrass Obama, but it’s not working out that way. Egg on the face belongs to Gregg here. Is this all the GOP can do? Do they even get that we all need to work together now? I guess not. I have no problem leaving them on the side of the road. Payback’s a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/46 "2009-02-13T00:10:05Z")
My guess is that Gregg expected to have more input and to have been more of a moderating influence (i.e., he expected true bipartisanship) and he didn’t anticipate the I-won-the-election-so-fuck-you attitude that Obama seems to have been displaying since he took office. I’m still trying to maintain a wait and see attitude about Obama, but I have to admit I’m less than impressed so far, what with his “You can’t listen to Limbaugh” lecture to the Republicans; his Cabinet member contretemps; his “Of course there’ll be pork in a government bill” attitude toward the stimulus package; and the"I won the election" attitude I mentioned above. Intransigence, ham-handedness and amateurishness are the vibes I’m getting so far, and they come as both a surprise and a dissapointment. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/47 "2009-02-13T00:12:52Z")
That “I won the election” attitude you mentioned above is your own speculation. It’s just as possible that Gregg demanded far more than Obama was willing to give; the Republicans certainly seem to be playing an all-or-nothing game. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/48 "2009-02-13T00:18:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My guess … SA’s “guess”? Well, I’ll give that one all the respect it is due. Is there anything less than completely none? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/49 "2009-02-13T00:20:02Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > That “I won the election” attitude you mentioned above is your own speculation. It’s just as possible that Gregg demanded far more than Obama was willing to give; the Republicans certainly seem to be playing an all-or-nothing game. I have to leave for a moment but Google “Obama” plus “I won the election” and you’ll see that it’s not speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/50 "2009-02-13T00:23:23Z")
Should he have stayed if he thought the package was wrong and that he wasn’t going to do the job like he wanted or was offered? If all Secretaries are simply advisors why go to all the senate confirmation and everything? (i know the constitution and everything…).Just add the guys to his Blackberry contacts and call them when he needs advice. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/51 "2009-02-13T00:25:42Z")
I think Grigg probably expected to be able to dictate whatever terms he wanted just like all those dipshit neocons were accustomed to doing to Bush. When he finally figured out Obama intended on actually being the President, he bitched out like a petulent little girl. A little while ago, I was reading about Gates and Petraeus getting all pissy when Obama told them he really was going to stick to his withdrawal plans and if they didn’t like it they were perfectly welcome to go fuck themselves. Gates had gotten the idea that he’d bring in Petraeus, that Petraeus would play the wise heroic general, and use a bumnch of military jargon and that Obama would would be so intimidated he would crumble. Word was, Petraeus came out of the meeting looking very unhappy, and that Obama hadn’t been the least bit intimidated by his Patton act. I think a lot of these conservatives keep making the mistake of thinking Obama is some pussy like Dukakis or Carter, and they keep getting their panties in a wad when he doesn’t just fold up and he tells them he’s calling the shots and that’s the end of it. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/52 "2009-02-13T00:26:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m still trying to maintain a wait and see attitude about Obama, but I have to admit I’m less than impressed so far, what with his “You can’t listen to Limbaugh” lecture to the Republicans; Limbaugh is a reactionary blowhard whose only goal is blasting Democrats. His viewpoint on any matter is neither necessary nor desired. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > his Cabinet member contretemps; Which we discovered before they were even voted upon, as opposed to finding out in 2010. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > his “Of course there’ll be pork in a government bill” attitude toward the stimulus package; A while ago you found fault with his idealism. Now you complain about pragmatism? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > and the"I won the election" attitude I mentioned above. Where I come from, the party that wins the election gets more power. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Intransigence, ham-handedness and amateurishness are the vibes I’m getting so far, and they come as both a surprise and a dissapointment. Intransigence? _Intransigence?!_ You pusillanimous pissant, every single House Republican voted against the stimulus bill, on which they had far more input than they should have, and all but three Senate Republicans\* as well, and _Obama_ is the intransigent one?! \*Snowe and Collins voted for it, as they often do, and Specter’s facing reelection next year in a state that voted for Obama by eleven points. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/53 "2009-02-13T00:29:10Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Should he have stayed if he thought the package was wrong and that he wasn’t going to do the job like he wanted or was offered? > > If all Secretaries are simply advisors why go to all the senate confirmation and everything? (i know the constitution and everything…).Just add the guys to his Blackberry contacts and call them when he needs advice. You’d have a point if he hadn’t so aggressively campaigned to get this job to begin with. He knew he wasn’t going to work for Reagan. Nothing he found out subsequently should have been a surprise for him. I don’t think he found out anything new about Obama’s policies, I think he just found out he wasn’t going to be able to push Obama around and make him change them. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/54 "2009-02-13T00:34:28Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I love it. Barack “I screwed up” Obama humiliated once again! But unlike Daschle and Richardson, at least Republican Gregg is not stepping down under a cloud of suspicion and scandal! 😛 Gregg very likely doesn’t want to be anywhere near Hussein’s disastrous Hogzilla ‘stimulus’ package. > [@Stephe96](#): > > Maybe Obama found out that, shockingly, Gregg actually paid his taxes. :eek: > [@Stephe96](#): > > Huh? President Hussein and the Democrats are in complete control. Why in the world would the country completely collapse?😕 > [@Stephe96](#): > > Hey, maybe the third time will be the charm when it comes to Hussein choosing a Commerce Secretary. Judd Gregg saw the impending train-wreck that is Barack “I screwed up” Obama’s “stimulus package” and, wisely, decided he wanted no part of it. My new hero! > [@Stephe96](#): > > Never mind that Biden is a plagiarist. Even Barack seems to be coming around to the fact that his VP is an absolute idiot! > > “You know, I don’t remember exactly what Joe was referring to…not surprisingly.” Join the club, Hussein! > [@Stephe96](#): > > And the hits just keep on coming for Barack “I screwed up” Obama. The day after Obama stupidly said “that if Congress passes our plan, this company [Caterpillar] will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off,” the company’s CEO, Jim Owens gave Hussein a bitch-slap of reality: “I think realistically no. The truth is we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again.” > > Full story here: [http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html](http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html) > > Christ, Obama is a moron. And to think we could have had a fake war “hero” who never met a jet he couldn’t wreck. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/55 "2009-02-13T00:36:10Z")
One of Gregg’s former aides is [involved in the Abramoff lobbying scandal.](http://cbs5.com/national/Judd.Gregg.staffer.2.926681.html) As far as I can tell, there’s no dirt on Gregg himself, but this story emerged only about a week ago, so who knows what else might be brewing? ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/56 "2009-02-13T00:49:11Z")
Could someone provide the link to the original documents? You know, the actual words of what authority Gregg thought he’d have, and then what they told him he’d actually be getting? The whole he said/he said back and forth, so we can see precisely where Gregg is lying. Especially the part where they told him in advance the census bureau would not be reporting directly to him. We do have all this information, right? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/57 "2009-02-13T00:50:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My guess is that Gregg expected to have more input and to have been more of a moderating influence (i.e., he expected true bipartisanship) and he didn’t anticipate the I-won-the-election-so-fuck-you attitude that Obama seems to have been displaying since he took office. > > I’m still trying to maintain a wait and see attitude about Obama, but I have to admit I’m less than impressed so far, what with his “You can’t listen to Limbaugh” lecture to the Republicans; his Cabinet member contretemps; his “Of course there’ll be pork in a government bill” attitude toward the stimulus package; and the"I won the election" attitude I mentioned above. > > Intransigence, ham-handedness and amateurishness are the vibes I’m getting so far, and they come as both a surprise and a dissapointment. Huh? Unlike Bush, who claimed a “mandate” and said he had (somehow) acquired political capital and now planned to spend it, Obama actually has that capital. But that is irrelevant to this situation: Gregg ASKED for the position. If he stated his desire to work with Obama, the onus is on him for backing out before he even, well, WORKED with Obama. I’m not seeing ham-handed, on intransigence, either. I am seeing some amateurishness, but W was not exactly polished at the end of his stint, either. Obama is just beginning. So much for slack from the conservatives, eh? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/58 "2009-02-13T01:00:28Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > So much for slack from the conservatives, eh? :rolleyes: Were you actually expecting any? Each and every success of the Obama Administration (all 8 years of it, Ghu willing) is another stone removed from under the Conservatives, who are just showing the country and the world how morally and intellectually bankrupt they really are. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/59 "2009-02-13T01:22:44Z")
Purely anecdotal, a [Hill staffer wrote in](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/02/timing.php) to Talking Points Memo with this: > [@](#): > > \*It’s hard not to think that Gregg’s withdrawal, with the grumbling about the census and the stimulus, was not timed to cause the most damage possible to the Obama administration. Releasing the statement just as Obama took the stage in Peoria was clearly designed to undermine the President’s event. The fact he scheduled a presser only seems to confirm it. The classy exit would have been to wait til tomorrow afternoon to quietly bow out. Basically Gregg decided not just to politely decline, but rather to blow shit up and burn the bridge behind him. Do not think this portends good things for the wider political climate. > > If the larger GOP strategy can be describe as putting all of their chips on “FAIL”, this has to be seen as a significant addition to that pile, no\*? This doesn’t make President Obama look bad at all. He reached out to a Republican, and, yet again, was slapped by a Republican. President Obama will keep trying, and Republicans will keep slapping, and no one walks away smelling nicer and more reasonable than a probably bemused President Barack Hussein Obama. The American people are watching. They see. They know. Come on 2010! For the first time in my life, I’m impatient for and looking forward to a mid-term election. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598/60 "2009-02-13T01:23:55Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > So much for slack from the conservatives, eh? :rolleyes: I _am_ cutting him some slack. I’ve had very little to say in the way of negative things about Obama up to this point. These are just things I’m seeing that are starting to cause me some concern. Maybe they’ll prove not to be the worthy of that concern or maybe they’ll prove to be harbingers of things to come. We’ll just have to wait and see. Either way, what do you expect from conservatives, that we’ll just put our brains in neutral and turn a blind eye to everything he does in the name of cutting him some slack? I think you have unrealistic expectations if you think that every time someone expresses concern about the way he’s doing things, or defends one of his opponents, they’re betraying their willingness to cut him some slack. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judd-gregg/485598.md?page=4)