# Fuck you, Judge Littlejohn **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 7, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326 "2010-10-07T03:09:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/181 "2010-10-12T21:58:14Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Given that we are always told how the right-wing crazies are balanced by the left wing crazies, can we now see all the left wing commentators who are discussing a Second Amendment solution to Judge Littlejohn, and the left win preachers who are calling for prayers that Judge Littlejohn dies so he can be replaced? Well… > [@silenus](#): > > The judge should be removed, disbarred, tarred, feathered, and exiled from the country for life. Fuck him and the horse that fucked his mother! But not shooting. Er… > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > FucAnyone that throws someone in jail for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance under color of law deserves whatever consequences come to him, either legal or illegal. Well, even though he said “whatever consequences, either legal or illegal” he probably didn’t mean shooting either. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > There are a lot of liberals who opposed McCarthyism and loyalty oaths in the 50s and there are more of us now. And some of us are armed. We are not afraid to defend our rights to not say the pledge and we aren’t going to be pushed around by a bunch of cowardly conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/182 "2010-10-12T22:00:14Z")
Well, I _did_ express the hope that he would step on a land mine. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/183 "2010-10-12T22:01:29Z")
I suspect that **villa** , in using the term “commentators,” was referring to people who actually have a public forum and a following in these matters, not some random anonymous folks on the internet. But i also suspect that you knew that already. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/184 "2010-10-12T22:01:41Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@SteveG1](#): > > > > So the “final answer” is to let the judge do whatever he wants, enforce whatever personal “thing” he wants, and lock up anyone he wants. > > > > I have “a problem” with that answer. Everyone should be accountable to someone or something. Everyone, even a judge. > > He is accountable to the Judicial Conduct people, and ultimately to the State Supreme Court. I don’t think he’s going to get away with this without some sort of sanction. My understanding is that there has been at least one, and possibly several, complaints filed with the Judicial folks. > > Dunno about whether a complaint can be made anonymously. My guess would be no, considering the Judge had a sixth amendment right to confront his accuser. I would say “No” to anonymous complaints. Anonymous would make spurious spitework complaints against innocent ones far too easy. If there are complaints filed against him, then great. It’s in the works. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/185 "2010-10-12T22:06:07Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I suspect that **villa** , in using the term “commentators,” was referring to people who actually have a public forum and a following in these matters, not some random anonymous folks on the internet. > > But i also suspect that you knew that already. Indeed. I would have thought anyone would have realized that is what commentators referred to. I will try to be more specific next time. What word can I use that better indicates I mean “people who comment on current events and comment in such a way that their commentary is broadcast to a wide range of people who listen to their commentary” as opposed to “anonymous people on an internet message board”? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/186 "2010-10-12T22:39:23Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > He is accountable to the Judicial Conduct people, and ultimately to the State Supreme Court. I don’t think he’s going to get away with this without some sort of sanction. My understanding is that there has been at least one, and possibly several, complaints filed with the Judicial folks. > > > > Dunno about whether a complaint can be made anonymously. My guess would be no, considering the Judge had a sixth amendment right to confront his accuser. > > I would say “No” to anonymous complaints. Anonymous would make spurious spitework complaints against innocent ones far too easy. If there are complaints filed against him, then great. It’s in the works. The person who makes the complaint can be anyone. So, if I’m the lawyer and don’t want the judge to screw all my clients, I just tell my buddy the terrible things the judge has done He writes to the JCC that he’s heard some disturbing things about Judge Littlejohn and asks for someone to look into it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/187 "2010-10-13T01:03:44Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The person who makes the complaint can be anyone. So, if I’m the lawyer and don’t want the judge to screw all my clients, I just tell my buddy the terrible things the judge has done He writes to the JCC that he’s heard some disturbing things about Judge Littlejohn and asks for someone to look into it. OK, and then it gets filed and the complaint moves forward. Hopefully he will get dismissed or fired whatever they call it. ---
**Author:** ![Library\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cab0a1/32.png) [@Library\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Library_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/188 "2010-10-13T05:43:16Z")
> [@villa](#): > > > [@mhendo](#): > > > > I suspect that **villa** , in using the term “commentators,” was referring to people who actually have a public forum and a following in these matters, not some random anonymous folks on the internet. > > > > But i also suspect that you knew that already. > > Indeed. I would have thought anyone would have realized that is what commentators referred to. I will try to be more specific next time. What word can I use that better indicates I mean “people who comment on current events and comment in such a way that their commentary is broadcast to a wide range of people who listen to their commentary” as opposed to “anonymous people on an internet message board”? So it is only contemptible if you have a TV show or radio? Does a blog at least count as tacky? ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/189 "2010-10-13T18:58:05Z")
> [@Library\_Boy](#): > > > [@villa](#): > > > > Indeed. I would have thought anyone would have realized that is what commentators referred to. I will try to be more specific next time. What word can I use that better indicates I mean “people who comment on current events and comment in such a way that their commentary is broadcast to a wide range of people who listen to their commentary” as opposed to “anonymous people on an internet message board”? > > So it is only contemptible if you have a TV show or radio? Does a blog at least count as tacky? Yes it is tacky. But I am sick and tired of the equivalency game. Whereby we are always told when we criticize FoxNews that MSNBC is as bad; or criticize Glen Beck to hear that Michael Moore is as bad. They’re not. It’s complete bollocks. While the left can’t be overly proud of itself, the extent to which the right has debased legitimate political debate dwarfs any action by the left. It isn’t so much a plague on both your houses… It’s “Lary Lefty, you go and clean your room this instant,” and “Roger Rightie, put your hands in the air and stop forcibly sodomizing the neighbors’ bedridden grandmother.” The guilt isn’t even close. Which is why I wanted figures on the left who are national, popular commentators and political leaders who would ask, for example, people to pray for the death of this judge. And apparently there aren’t any. What a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/190 "2010-10-13T19:18:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I suspect that **villa** , in using the term “commentators,” was referring to people who actually have a public forum and a following in these matters, not some random anonymous folks on the internet. > > But i also suspect that you knew that already. And I suspect that when **The Second Stone** said what he did, he wasn’t advocating murder. But YOU knew that, just as you knew the same thing was true for earlier politicians that have used similar intemperate language. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/191 "2010-10-13T19:22:57Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@SteveG1](#): > > > > So the “final answer” is to let the judge do whatever he wants, enforce whatever personal “thing” he wants, and lock up anyone he wants. > > > > I have “a problem” with that answer. Everyone should be accountable to someone or something. Everyone, even a judge. > > I’m not sure that’s the consensus. I’m hearing some say that it’s more complicated than simply making a principled stand, as you have your client’s interests to consider. Regardless, I’m on the side of the lawyer in this one, and would have refused to say the pledge. Probably wouldn’t make a big deal out of it (unless I’m thrown in jail). Once my case was over and I didn’t have to worry about my client’s interests, I would write the judge a respectful letter suggesting that leading the courtroom in the Pledge might not be a good idea, and suggesting we have lunch sometime to discuss. If he continued doing it, I’d file a complaint with the Judicial Conduct Commission. Of course, if all he did was file a complaint with the JCC, the judge would probably have gotten a slap on the wrist and we’d never have heard of it. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/192 "2010-10-13T19:26:04Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > I remember when Judge Liljon was only concerned with what was crunk, and issued the landmark case “What! v. Okaaay!” Then he changed his name and got all lame. Yeeeaaahhhhh! You just made my day. 🙂 Oh and uh…Judge was wrong and I avoid The South and hope it continues to avoid me. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/193 "2010-10-13T19:59:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And I suspect that when **The Second Stone** said what he did, he wasn’t advocating murder. > > But YOU knew that, just as you knew the same thing was true for earlier politicians that have used similar intemperate language. Do you not think that religious leaders advocating people pray for the death of Supreme Court justices were, you know, advocating that people pray for the death of Supreme Court justices? ---
**Author:** ![Library\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cab0a1/32.png) [@Library\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Library_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/194 "2010-10-13T20:15:17Z")
> [@villa](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > And I suspect that when **The Second Stone** said what he did, he wasn’t advocating murder. > > > > But YOU knew that, just as you knew the same thing was true for earlier politicians that have used similar intemperate language. > > Do you not think that religious leaders advocating people pray for the death of Supreme Court justices were, you know, advocating that people pray for the death of Supreme Court justices? I’m perfectly willing to state that, at the present time, some of the right-wing loonies that have media access are farther out than the left-wing loonies that have media access. And this proves what? ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/195 "2010-10-13T20:37:10Z")
It proves that some of the right wing loonies with media access are further out than the left-wing loonies that have media access. It suggests that the constant arguments of equivalence are patently false, and I would suggest exist only to prevent the right having to face up to the dangerous monster it has created, fed, and nurtured. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/196 "2010-10-13T20:47:44Z")
Why to you put all those verbs in a _past_ tense, **villa**? ---
**Author:** ![Library\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cab0a1/32.png) [@Library\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Library_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/197 "2010-10-13T20:48:31Z")
I would also suggest it is a bad idea to give a pass to the dangerous monster the left has created, fed and nurtured just because it is not quite as bad as the one on the right. The We Kill Babies club can legitimately say that the We Kill and Eat Babies club is crazier than they are, but it does not mean people should flock to them as the better alternative. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/198 "2010-10-13T21:01:10Z")
> [@Library\_Boy](#): > > I would also suggest it is a bad idea to give a pass to the dangerous monster the left has created, fed and nurtured just because it is not quite as bad as the one on the right. > > The We Kill Babies club can legitimately say that the We Kill and Eat Babies club is crazier than they are, but it does not mean people should flock to them as the better alternative. Wouldn’t it be logical to be more concerned about the side that is very dangerous first, _then_ deal with the side that is somewhat dangerous? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/199 "2010-10-13T21:10:25Z")
> [@Library\_Boy](#): > > I would also suggest it is a bad idea to give a pass to the dangerous monster the left has created, fed and nurtured just because it is not quite as bad as the one on the right. > > The We Kill Babies club can legitimately say that the We Kill and Eat Babies club is crazier than they are, but it does not mean people should flock to them as the better alternative. There you go with the equivalency again. Seriously, you’re comparing the Cloverfield monster to one of the misfits of Ashanti. ---
**Author:** ![Library\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cab0a1/32.png) [@Library\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Library_Boy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326/200 "2010-10-13T21:11:33Z")
Not when one is told that the only way to deal with the more dangerous side is to place all of your trust (and power) into the not-quite-as-dangerous side. I just don’t like the mindset of “we don’t have to fix our side, because the other is worse” any more than Villa seems to like “we don’t have to fix our side because the other is just as bad”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-judge-littlejohn/556326.md?page=11)