# Fuck you MSM. Just fuck you. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 21, 2006, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519 "2006-02-21T20:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/1 "2006-02-21T20:07:22Z")
I’ve had it. 3 days of riots in Nigeria over the cartoons. 35 (non-muslims) confirmed dead, some set on fire, 30 churches burned down as well as western-associated hotels. Others have counted 50 dead in one city. Not a fucking peep from the NYT and most other MSMs. Now it’s Monday and the Christians decide to fight back and this is what we get from the AP: “Anti-Muslim Riot in Nigeria Turns Deadly” [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nigeria\_sectarian\_violence](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nigeria_sectarian_violence) This is no longer spin. This is near totalitarian control of information. You know, the same totalitarian control that the MSM claims Bush is wielding. Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/2 "2006-02-21T20:16:43Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > I’ve had it. 3 days of riots in Nigeria over the cartoons. 35 (non-muslims) confirmed dead, some set on fire, 30 churches burned down as well as western-associated hotels. Others have counted 50 dead in one city. Not a fucking peep from the NYT and most other MSMs. [Peep](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/21/international/europe/21russia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) > [@](#): > > Death Toll in Nigeria Reaches 24 > > LAGOS, Nigeria, Feb. 20 (Agence France-Presse) — The death toll in weekend violence in Nigeria over the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad has risen to 24, the Red Cross said Monday, with 230 people wounded. > > Twenty-one people died in Maiduguri, in the north, and three in Katsina, said the Red Cross officer in charge of disaster management, Adronicus Adeyemo. > > Protesters in Maiduguri turned on the Christian minority, burning churches and shops, and troops and police officers were deployed to restore order. [Peep](http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Brazil-Churches-Cartoon-Crisis.html): > [@AP](#): > > The protests – and bloodshed – have intensified with at least 45 deaths blamed on unrest, including at least 15 people killed in Nigeria on Saturday as mobs burned churches and hunted for Christians. On Monday, a radical Islamic leader in Pakistan, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, called for more protests I searched [NYTimes.com](http://NYTimes.com) for “Nigeria” before responding to this OP. Did you search before posting? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![scule](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@scule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scule)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/3 "2006-02-21T20:36:13Z")
MSM? What makes this funny is that from a public health perspective, MSM means men who have sex with men (we use this term since not all men who engage in same-sex partnering self-identify as homosexual). What does MSM mean in the sense it is being used here? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/4 "2006-02-21T20:38:40Z")
> [@scule](#): > > MSWhat does MSM mean in the sense it is being used here? I assume it stands for Mainstream Media. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/5 "2006-02-21T20:40:17Z")
1.What the fuck is MSM? 2. What exactly are you alleging? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/6 "2006-02-21T20:41:28Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > I assume it stands for Mainstream Media. That makes sense. Paranoia that the mainstream media is out to get Christians is one of the signature symptoms of CPC. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/7 "2006-02-21T21:05:06Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > That makes sense. > > Paranoia that the mainstream media is out to get Christians is one of the signature symptoms of CPC. Except that I’m an atheist. I definitely don’t think the media is out to get Christians, but I do believe they do their best avoid mentioning that instances of violence are associated with Islam. ---
**Author:** ![scout1222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@scout1222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scout1222)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/8 "2006-02-21T21:08:21Z")
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who didn’t know what MSM meant. Microsoft Messenger? What the hell? Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/9 "2006-02-21T21:08:33Z")
> [@scule](#): > > MSM? What makes this funny is that from a public health perspective, MSM means men who have sex with men (we use this term since not all men who engage in same-sex partnering self-identify as homosexual). What does MSM mean in the sense it is being used here? Yeah, that was seriously my take on it too, even though I knew it was something to do with condemning the New York Times and, apparently, Yahoo/the AP. Thanks for the heads-up, **Lord Ashtar**. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/10 "2006-02-21T21:08:32Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > [Peep](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/21/international/europe/21russia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) > > [Peep](http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Brazil-Churches-Cartoon-Crisis.html): > > I searched [NYTimes.com](http://NYTimes.com) for “Nigeria” before responding to this OP. Did you search before posting? > > Daniel I suppose you don’t see the irony of having to search for it? Look at the NYT homepage. Not a mention of over 40 dead and 30 churches burned. Twenty dead in a Baghdad carbomb? Yup. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/11 "2006-02-21T21:09:35Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > This is no longer spin. This is near totalitarian control of information. You know, the same totalitarian control that the MSM claims Bush is wielding. Fuck you. OK. Before we start rioting and burning stuff down ourselves, can we inquire just who you think is spinning what? Who in the US benefits from (supposedly) concealing Muslim wrath against Danish cartoons in Nigeria? Just what conspiracy do you think is taking place here? A more reasonable hypothesis would be that the press has rather adequately covered the uproar over the Danish cartoons and that and while the riots in Nigeria continue the trend, it’s not \* new \* news. And, not to put too fine a point on it, but it is Nigeria – a country that’s far away and has few trading or cultural ties with the US. As near as I can tell, the AP article you cited contained a full description of the events that took place, at least compared to other reports I’ve seen on the net. And the description of events was sufficiently horrific that it doesn’t appear that any coverup is taking place. I guess what I’m saying is that I’m willing to be outraged just as soon as you point out what there is to be outraged about. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/12 "2006-02-21T21:12:50Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > 1.What the fuck is MSM? I assumed the enlightened participants in this forum knew what it meant. But, like a fish doesn’t realize it’s in water, you probably don’t realize that there is any other media besides mainstream. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/13 "2006-02-21T21:14:19Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > I suppose you don’t see the irony of having to search for it? Look at the NYT homepage. Not a mention of over 40 dead and 30 churches burned. Twenty dead in a Baghdad carbomb? Yup. Are you a fucking idiot? He had to search for it because the Muslim rioting happened days ago while the Christian rioting is new. New news replaces old news on the website. However, from your own cite: > [@Yahoo!](#): > > The violence appeared to be in reprisal for anti-Christian violence Saturday in the mostly Muslim northern city of Maiduguri in which thousands of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad attacked Christians and burned churches, killing at least 18 people…Saturday’s protest over the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad in Maiduguri marked the first violent demonstrations over the issue in Nigeria. Police say at least 18 people, most of them Christians, died, and 30 churches were burned down. The Christian Association of Nigeria said at least 50 people were killed in the violence. So, your own cite mentions that the Christian riots were in response to the Muslim riots targeting non-Muslims. You, sir, are truly an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/14 "2006-02-21T21:18:22Z")
If you believed the AP (alternative -as opposed to associated - press), you might buy into the crap about Clinton urging the [“Europeans to convict the publishers”](http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C02%5C18%5Cstory_18-2-2006_pg1_7) of the editorial cartoons in question. ---
**Author:** ![scout1222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@scout1222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scout1222)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/15 "2006-02-21T21:23:06Z")
Boy, it’s a good thing you added that winking smilie in there, **KidC**. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/16 "2006-02-21T21:30:28Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > I suppose you don’t see the irony of having to search for it? As opposed to what, Rumpelstilskin bounding up with a clipping of the article and laying it at my feet? Ever since **Unclebeer** mentioned PJ O’Rourke’s magnificent quote\*, I’ve been seeing evidence of it everywhere. Daniel - Life is full of ironies for the stupid. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/17 "2006-02-21T21:31:29Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > [Peep](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/21/international/europe/21russia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) > > [Peep](http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Brazil-Churches-Cartoon-Crisis.html): > > I searched [NYTimes.com](http://NYTimes.com) for “Nigeria” before responding to this OP. Did you search before posting? > > Daniel Are you motherfucking kidding me??? Mentioned 5 paragraphs down in an aside to a story called “Conflicts cited at Christian Conference?” and another entitled "2nd Russian Paper Shut Down in Cartoon Furor.? Please, tell me you’re not this fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/18 "2006-02-21T21:33:27Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > I assumed the enlightened participants in this forum knew what it meant. But, like a fish doesn’t realize it’s in water, you probably don’t realize that there is any other media besides mainstream. 😉 Or, you know, maybe some of us work in fields that use that abbreviation to mean something totally different, and find that transition just a tad confusing. It’s also annoying to have to read and analyze the post to merely understand the title; it would have been nice to see “mainstream media (MSM)” in the first couple of sentences. Upon the initial skim of your post, I caught the Muslim mentions at first and was trying to figure out what it meant in that context; i.e, which “M” was “Muslim” and where Alternately, maybe you could’ve just spelled out the goddamned words in the title since “Fuck you, mainstream media. Just fuck you.” doesn’t get truncated anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/19 "2006-02-21T21:35:01Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > Upon the initial skim of your post, I caught the Muslim mentions at first and was trying to figure out what it meant in that context; i.e, which “M” was “Muslim” and where :smack: “…and where it explained the rest of the acronym.” ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519/20 "2006-02-21T21:37:26Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > I suppose you don’t see the irony of having to search for it? Look at the NYT homepage. Not a mention of over 40 dead and 30 churches burned. Twenty dead in a Baghdad carbomb? Yup. The anti-Christian riots happened on Saturday. You’d therefore expect to see them on the homepage on either late Saturday Sunday, or Monday. Any later than that (such as today, Tuesday), and you’d probably have to search for the article. The anti-Muslim riots happened early Tuesday morning. Since they happened _today_, they are currently the top story. Idiot. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-msm-just-fuck-you/345519.md?page=2)