# Fuck you, NCAA, you hypocrite greedy shitstains. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855 "2011-05-31T14:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/81 "2011-06-02T00:18:40Z")
That’s irrelevant. If the non-collusive model turns out to be unworkable, so be it. Profitable injustice doesn’t justify injustice. People who spend their money on college athletics now will still have that money to spend on some other sector and the economy will benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/82 "2011-06-02T00:45:02Z")
Is the issue an unequal distribution of the revenue: OK - so who is collecting all of the money? If the school gets it, it is going towards other programs and towards the team and its coaches. If you take away from the school’s revenue, you will get some more cash in the hands of players, but you will kill a lot of other sports. Or are we arguing that there is MORE money that could be earned if we would just let them earn it? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/83 "2011-06-02T01:39:08Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Is the issue an unequal distribution of the revenue: No, the issue is collusion by a cartel to prevent individuals from negotiating for compensation and to prevent competition regarding compensation among members of that cartel. I don’t know how distribution would work out in the absence of such collusion, but whatever it is will be fairer than the current situation. > [@](#): > > OK - so who is collecting all of the money? If the school gets it, it is going towards other programs and towards the team and its coaches. If you take away from the school’s revenue, you will get some more cash in the hands of players, but you will kill a lot of other sports. If that’s the case, then that’s fine. Athletes should not be subject to artificial maintenance of a collusive system simply because someone else benefits from it, in particular the exploitation of individuals athletes’ names, images, an identities long after they’ve stopped playing collegiate sports. ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/84 "2011-06-02T02:47:12Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That’s irrelevant. If the non-collusive model turns out to be unworkable, so be it. Profitable injustice doesn’t justify injustice. People who spend their money on college athletics now will still have that money to spend on some other sector and the economy will benefit. It’s relevant because if the non-collusive model turn out to be unworkable, than there was no injustice in the first place. Everybody was getting a good deal and you destroyed it on a whim, based on some perceived injustice. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/85 "2011-06-02T02:54:06Z")
I see. So if the coal and steel industries had collapsed after institution of employment and compensation laws, you would agree that it was proof that making people work from sunup to sundown in company towns where they could never make enough money to get out of debt and were likely to die from hazardous job conditions was not unjust in the first place? If the cotton industry had collapsed after the elimination of slavery, you would agree that it was proof that there was no injustice in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/86 "2011-06-02T03:06:51Z")
Well if those people went from having a place to live and food on the table, to homeless and starving to death, it would be hard to claim you did them any good. Good news: we won you an 8 hour workday and a 25 cent raise Bad news: It bankrupt the industry, you’re all fired, homeless and destitute, with no other options. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/87 "2011-06-02T03:27:10Z")
For all of you complaining about the restrictions on scholarship athletes, then why advise the high-school senior to not give in to the abuse of the NCAA system and refuse to go to college and then go pro at the first opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/88 "2011-06-02T14:01:06Z")
Because if he doesn’t give in to the NCAA system, he won’t be able to turn pro. At least, not if he plays football. I mean, I “turned pro” by declaring for the NFL draft when I was 22, but I didn’t play college football and no agents called. I didn’t play high school football at all, for that matter. But hey, it made everyone at the party laugh. ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/89 "2011-06-02T18:09:30Z")
That issue is between the NFL and the NFLPA (players association). The NCAA has nothing to do with that. They can run their business how they see fit. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/90 "2011-06-02T20:27:36Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > These and other problems will go away when you dispense of the farce that they are student-athletes. Stop pretending that they’re there to be students. Drop academic qualification requirements. Just fucking pay them to do what they’re really there for. If they choose to take free tuition in exchange for their service, let them defer actually attending classes until after they’ve finished with playing. Should Universities stop pretending to be schools and just admit they are minor league sports franchises? It would be better to have true minor league sports that can bring in anyone they want and pay them anything they wish. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/91 "2011-06-02T20:33:32Z")
> [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](#): > > Should Universities stop pretending to be schools and just admit they are minor league sports franchises? It would be better to have true minor league sports that can bring in anyone they want and pay them anything they wish. If they’re going to be running what is essentially a minor league system, then, yes, that’s exactly what they should do. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/92 "2011-06-03T04:58:30Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > That issue is between the NFL and the NFLPA (players association). The NCAA has nothing to do with that. They can run their business how they see fit. True. But the reason they do that is because NCAA football benefits the NFL by generating ready-made stars. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855/93 "2011-06-10T21:39:06Z")
I guess I still fail to see the point. If a student goes to the NCAA, they get a scholarship and a free college education if they don’t turn pro. If a student is pro calibre, they treat the NCAA like a minor league and make millions of dollars. So two questions: 1. If the system is so unfair and the student wants to make a stand, why can’t they just forgo the NCAA? (Oh wait! They can.) 2. I’ve worked for companies making millions yet earning a pittance. What’s the difference? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-ncaa-you-hypocrite-greedy-shitstains/583855.md?page=4)