# Fuck you non-tippers! Fuck you a lot! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 2, 2004, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243 "2004-01-02T06:33:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/121 "2004-01-06T02:59:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\*The problem with your suggestion **lezlers** is that this restaurant is so small, it only has one section. There’s usually one girl working as a waitress, one girl who brings us chips, and that’s _it_. Basically, the only way to avoid her is to stop eating there, and despite the nasty sauce,it’s the best Mexican place we’ve found around here. \*\* Simple solution: keep sending it back until she gets it right. In my experience, wait staff who keep causing extra work for the kitchen by getting orders wrong usually get told pretty damn quickly to get their act together. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/122 "2004-01-06T03:57:54Z")
**pepperlandgirl** , talk to the manager. And leave a tip of two cents. This lets the waitress know that you didn’t forget her tip, but that you were not pleased with the service. Seriously, talk to the manager. If the place is that small, then they can’t afford to piss off any regular customers. ---
**Author:** ![Urban\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Urban\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urban_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/123 "2004-01-06T06:20:27Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > **Urban Ranger:** > I have no right to be upset if they choose not to tip me? Are you really suggesting that you think that? Tipping is a customer’s judgement of a server. Good point. I was going to let it slide, but you brought it up. I only read your side of the story, that you provided great service. Perhaps you really believe that, but you are not the judge, your customers are. If for one reason or another, they thought you provided inadequate service, it’s their judgement not to leave you a tip. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > If some one comes into your place of business and decides not to pay you and walks out. Is that ok? Did they not pay the bill? > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > Add to that the fact that they spit in your face and told you that you sucked at your job and that it wasn’t worth a penny. Wrong. You are paid by your restaurant, which gets its money from the customers. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > Furthermore, you should now pay them for the horrors that you have visited on them. 😕 As I said, that’s a problem with your particular restaurant. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > That’s what it equates to when you don’t tip a server. Exactly. If you don’t agree, then fuck you. You know what? If I were your customers, I wouldn’t tip you too considering the kind of attitude you have. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > I invite you to go into a restraunt in the US and tell your server that tipping is optional and that you don’t really feel like tipping that day. See if you don’t get the absolute worst service possible. That’s okay, there is a thing called The Manager. I make sure he gets all the details. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > As for it being the only table that I waited on, yes it was. Learn to read. Last table of the night. Only table in the place. I took good care of them for an hour and got nothing. Nothing. Last table of the night is not the same as the only table you waited on that night. Somebody needs to learn how to read, but it’s not me. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > I also live in Dallas. That’s a pretty big city. You may have heard of it. You should look into Hooked on Phonics if it’s still around it may help you on that reading disorder that you seem to have. That is caused by your inability to perceive reality correctly. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs_ > I don’t even know what this means exactly. My money comes from the customer’s pockets. The owners pay us $2.13 an hour. How many hours would that take to pay the rent? More than I would like to count. So I get paid (or not) by the customer. Last I heard, there’s a thing called minimum wage. Unless, for some strange reason, that is not applicable to you. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/124 "2004-01-06T06:21:14Z")
Yeah, that’s just weird that she _never_ gets it right? Does she speak English? Do you speak Spanish? Maybe it’s a language barrier. If it’s not that, then she just blows, and I’d take **Lynn’s** advice. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/125 "2004-01-06T06:24:40Z")
Dammit, Mr. Cheapskate snuck in there, that last post was directed to **pepperlandgirl**. **UrbanRanger** , considering all of your ridiculous “points” have been rebutted in this thread and in every other tipping thread on these boards, I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re just trying to start shit. Your pathetic justifications of being a cheapass are really, really tired. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/126 "2004-01-06T06:28:00Z")
She speaks English. We went there a few weeks ago and I ordered a dry Garcia burrito, and the man right behind us ordered after us a regular Garcia burrito. He got served first and his burrito was _dry_ and mine was not. _sigh_ See? She got the order right that time, she just sent it to the wrong table. I guess next time we’re there, we’ll be taking **Lynn’s** advise. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Darn_Snake_Legs)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/127 "2004-01-06T06:40:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Urban Ranger \* > \*\*Good point. I was going to let it slide, but you brought it up. I only read your side of the story, that you provided great service. Perhaps you really believe that, but you are not the judge, your customers are. If for one reason or another, they thought you provided inadequate service, it’s their judgment not to leave you a tip. \*\* Wrong. Your point is crap. I have been a server for this restaurant for about five years. I know when I give good service and I know when I give excellent service and all the degrees in between. > [@](#): > > \*\*Wrong. You are paid by your restaurant, which gets its money from the customers. \*\* Wrong. Read the thread. I am paid **$2.13** by the restaurant. If you think that this is a living wage or even a minimum wage then you are one hell of a daffy bitch. > [@](#): > > \*\*😕 As I said, that’s a problem with your particular restaurant. \*\* It strikes me that you are easily confused. It is an issue with the restaurant industry in general. It will not change because there is no incentive. It is the way that the system works. If people are not all assholes like you it works well and benefits all involved. > [@](#): > > \*\*You know what? If I were your customers, I wouldn’t tip you too considering the kind of attitude you have. \*\* You as a customer wouldn’t know that I was upset with you. I am a professional. Your shit attitude is not enough for me to sacrifice my job. The bad service would not appear to be malicious. I would simply devote as little energy to you as possible. > [@](#): > > \*\*That’s okay, there is a thing called The Manager. I make sure he gets all the details. \*\* Most managers have been waiters. Try explaining to that manager that you started the meal as a total bitch/bastard and that you don’t think that you were accorded enough effort given your attitude. I’m sure that you will get a great response. > [@](#): > > \*\*Last table of the night is not the same as the only table you waited on that night. Somebody needs to learn how to read, but it’s not me. \*\* Nope. It was just the only table that I waited on that hour. As I have said, I’m no math major but: (1 table’s tip + hourly wage - tip pool) / (time served) = total hourly wage. In this case it looks like this: (0+2.13-3)/1 = -.87 I have thusly paid to serve a table. > [@](#): > > \*\*Last I heard, there’s a thing called minimum wage. Unless, for some strange reason, that is not applicable to you. \*\* It’s not applicable. Read the thread. I know it’ll take a while, but it just may help you to avoid looking like you are completely ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/128 "2004-01-06T14:33:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Urban Ranger \* > \*\*Last I heard, there’s a thing called minimum wage. Unless, for some strange reason, that is not applicable to you. \*\* That’s the point, **Urban Ranger**. Minimum wage is NOT applicable to restaurant servers. Anywhere in the US. Period. The entire restaurant industry works this way. Perhaps you should boycott restaurants in protest at this incredible outrage rather than going to them and refusing to tip your servers. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2004, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/129 "2004-01-06T14:41:34Z")
**Urban Ranger** - for the sake of restaurant servers everywhere, PLEASE start boycotting immediately. Your refusal to go to restaurants where you are expected to tip will be celebrated by servers far and wide. ---
**Author:** ![51\_cent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/a88e57/32.png) [@51\_cent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/51_cent)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/130 "2004-01-07T03:16:28Z")
Like I mentioned before, the restaurants are making a killing off the backs of their servers. Paying them 2.13 per hour, the same wage that has been paid to them since probably the 1980s is inadequate. These people deserve to make at least minimum wage, which is about 5.50 per hour. Paying 2.13 is a travesty because as mentioned before waiters have to do “side work” which consists of numerous activities before they can leave their shift. A server can be stuck in their restaurant for 2 hours after shift cleaning their sections, rolling silverware, plus doing kitchen cleaning duties. Then the OP has to pay (or tip out) the ushers and the bus boys. I mean, come on! That is a travesty that the restaurant is forcing the servers to help pay for others. I worked in a Cracker Barrell restaurant in Mississippi several years ago. C.B. is a good place for people who have no experience serving and want to learn how. Also, I did not have to handle money, the customer had to pay up front. A lot of Pentecostal types came in there, and for some odd reason loved to come in 10 minutes before closing. This is annoying because I am trying to get all my other labors completed while keeping my eye on the window, plus the fact my feet hurt like hell and I wanted to get out of there. These people would maybe give me 2 bucks which is not worth it in the long run. Lastly, I worked in another place, I was new there. Another server (the head server) thought she was a drill sargeant and ordered me to pull up my pants legs. I asked why? To see if I was wearing the correct color of socks (black not white). I refused her request. She told me not to get smart with her, that she was the “head server” and all that garbage. If I had the wrong color socks, I was to be “fined” with rolling more silverware. It is really a Catch 22. Waiting tables sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bren_Cameron_1)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/131 "2004-01-07T03:46:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Paying them 2.13 per hour, the same wage that has been paid to them since probably the 1980s Oh, no. There’s been a raise since then. My first job was in…let me see, now…1983, and at the time, waiter minimum was $2.01. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Darn_Snake_Legs)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/132 "2004-01-07T04:52:24Z")
Well, now that’s progress! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Boo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@Boo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/133 "2004-01-07T21:01:32Z")
back when I bussed tables the wait staff was supposed to put 10% of their tips in jar that would then be split between the bus people. If a waitrer/ess made $20 in tips, they’d put $2 in the jar…if they made $40 in tips, they’d put $2 in the jar…if they made $100 in tips, they’d put $2 in the jar. then they’d bitch about not getting tipped enough. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/134 "2004-01-07T23:54:06Z")
Our restaurant handled tipping out bartenders/busboys differently. When we turned in our money to the manager at the end of the night, it was accompanied by a print out of our total sales for the day. Our tip out was calculated from sales and handed directly to the managers to be equally divided between all the bussers. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/135 "2004-01-08T00:41:30Z")
**Urban Ranger** , the choice to tip or not to tip is yours. However, to chalk up not tipping for good service to anything other than cheapness is absurd. You’re cheap. Fine. You shouldn’t inflict your cheapness on servers who are paid 75% less than a living wage based on the fact that people tip. Leave the table for someone who will tip. ---
**Author:** ![Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bren_Cameron_1)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243/136 "2004-01-08T01:31:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by My Darn Snake Legs \* > \*\*Well, now that’s progress! 😛 \*\* Oh, yes. Isn’t it wonderful? BTW, for comparison, the regular minimum wage at the time was $3.35. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-non-tippers-fuck-you-a-lot/222243.md?page=6)