# Fuck you Pakistan. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 27, 2010, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285 "2010-09-27T23:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/41 "2010-09-30T00:26:20Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > Burning. > > And it was a Pekingese, not a Pakistan. This area is enough of a mess without dragging the Chinese into it. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/42 "2010-09-30T02:17:53Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > > [@RedFury](#): > > > > Happy happy oh joy! Just how thrilled those “fuckers” should be! :rolleyes: > > War is hell; shit happens. Perhaps if they’d contol thier own borders innocents wouldn’t die. And whose word are you taking that they are innocents; the very people harboring and supporting the fighters that are crossing the borders and attacking US troops? They don’t have to be thrilled, just give up the bin Laden and look how fast we will leave. Go ahead and let him become a marytor; oh wait he’s not ready to face Allah yet, better to let some young innocents do that first. And here I thought True Believers® were a thing of the past; turns out I was [wrong](http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/29/afghanistan.poll/). Pray tell, do you look under your bed for “evil tararist” before you go to sleep at night? If not, you should. Personally, I’m always on the lookout for banana peels. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/43 "2010-09-30T12:00:26Z")
And now they are getting all [uppity](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/30/AR2010093000145.html?hpid=topnews). > [@](#): > > Pakistani officials said Thursday that they had blocked NATO supply trucks from entering Afghanistan at one key border post after an early morning NATO airstrike that they said killed three Pakistani border security soldiers. > > A senior military official said the move was made in protest of that attack and other recent NATO airstrikes in Pakistan. Pakistan believes the strikes have been carried out as “pressure tactics” meant to force the Pakistani army to conduct operations against al-Qaeda and Afghan insurgents based in the mountainous tribal area of North Waziristan, the official said. The right answer, of course, is fuck 'em. If they are turning a blind eye to bad guys using their land to kill our boys, then they get whatever we have the balls to give them. I give the administration full props, pour a 40 on the ground, etc, for this policy. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/44 "2010-09-30T12:50:57Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > > [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > > > War is hell; shit happens. Perhaps if they’d contol thier own borders innocents wouldn’t die. And whose word are you taking that they are innocents; the very people harboring and supporting the fighters that are crossing the borders and attacking US troops? They don’t have to be thrilled, just give up the bin Laden and look how fast we will leave. Go ahead and let him become a marytor; oh wait he’s not ready to face Allah yet, better to let some young innocents do that first. > > And here I thought True Believers® were a thing of the past; turns out I was [wrong](http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/29/afghanistan.poll/). > > Pray tell, do you look under your bed for “evil tararist” before you go to sleep at night? If not, you should. Personally, I’m always on the lookout for banana peels. Screw the polls; the vast majority of people didn’t even know the differance (or care) between Iraq and Afganistan; that’s why that dumb fuck they elected in 2000 was able to sell that load of crap. The real war should always have concentrated on the Taliban and the people that support them, al qaeda. As long as they are there organizing shit like [this](http://www.examiner.com/geopolitics-in-national/british-jihadists-training-pakistan-to-launch-mumbai-style-attacks) in Pakistan innocents will die when they stand and tolerate living by them. Do you really think if we don’t stand up to them that they will just stop and live in peace and harmony with the rest of civilazation? Thier stated goal is the down fall of Western civilzation and a turn back to the dark ages where religious leaders dictated peoples actions. Screw that; Pakistan needs to grow a pair and take care of thier own internal affairs or we will keep taking shots over the boarder. It’s called reality, deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/45 "2010-09-30T16:39:26Z")
What is _our_ legal authority for going into Pakistan? Does the AUMF authorize military force somehow generally, where needed, rather than in specific nations? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/46 "2010-09-30T16:50:03Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > What is _our_ legal authority for going into Pakistan? Does the AUMF authorize military force somehow generally, where needed, rather than in specific nations? “Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges.” ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/47 "2010-09-30T16:56:26Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > > [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > > > What is _our_ legal authority for going into Pakistan? Does the AUMF authorize military force somehow generally, where needed, rather than in specific nations? > > “Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges.” Hey, that’s my line damnit! 😃 It’s called proactive self presevation and not waiting around with your thumb up your ass while someone is preparing to attack you. Pakistan has nukes, if they were really pissed and didn’t want us killing these guys they could make us stop just by threating to retaliate; but you see they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/48 "2010-09-30T22:30:20Z")
AmeroConned sheeple is mine. But whatever makes you happy dude. _:::shrug:::_ ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/49 "2010-09-30T22:51:04Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > What is _our_ legal authority for going into Pakistan? Does the AUMF authorize military force somehow generally, where needed, rather than in specific nations? In the [past](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,74487,00.html), the legal justification has been that hot pursuit of fleeing enemy forces was part of the inherent right of self-defense. Since the border isn’t really clearly delineated in the first place in many places, it wouldn’t take much for an aircraft to go a few miles into Pakistani territory/airspace and not immediately realize it. [QUOTE=RedFury] The vast majority of those killed have turned out to be innocent civilians, while large numbers of others remain unidentified but classified as “suspects.” [/QUOTE] The link that your cited article uses to support this claim doesn’t work. Given that even the Pakistani military can’t or won’t reach these areas to maintain order, it’s hard to believe these estimates of civilian casualties. Particularly since the Taliban intentionally blur the line between civilians and combatants by refusing to wear uniforms, as well as blending in and hiding among the civilian population before, during, and after their attacks. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/50 "2010-09-30T23:11:47Z")
The fun part of guerrilla or asymmetrical warfare is that you’re fighting civilians. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/51 "2010-09-30T23:40:23Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > What good are international borders if they can be violated unilaterally? > > That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have an agreement with the Pakistani government that they let us do this as long as they get to denounce it in public. We get to continue “hot pursuit”, they get to denounce it so they won’t have to watch their political career go down the toilet. And the bad guy gets caught. Eventually it is forgotten. It looks like a fair trade to me. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/52 "2010-10-01T04:26:55Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@John\_Mace](#): > > > > What good are international borders if they can be violated unilaterally? > > > > That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have an agreement with the Pakistani government that they let us do this as long as they get to denounce it in public. > > We get to continue “hot pursuit”, they get to denounce it so they won’t have to watch their political career go down the toilet. And the bad guy gets caught. Eventually it is forgotten. It looks like a fair trade to me. Yes, despite my smart-ass _Treasure of the Sierra Madre_ quote, which I could not resist, I agree with this. Also, my understanding is that we do indeed have a quiet agreement with Pakistan. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/53 "2010-10-01T11:41:20Z")
Yes, it’s obvious that there is an understanding between us and Pakistan to allow targeting across the border. Could you see us doing this with any other nuclear power and getting away with it? And since we don’t have a lot of good intel on that side of the border its not a stretch to assume that the Pakistani government is pointing them out to us in quite a few instances. Of course that’s probably just the AmeroConned sheeple in me talking. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/54 "2010-10-01T11:55:58Z")
More hijinks in [Pakistan](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101001/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan). As we used to say in high school, it’s time to pull out. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/55 "2010-10-01T13:18:44Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > More hijinks in [Pakistan](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101001/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan). > > As we used to say in high school, it’s time to pull out. No one was wounded or killed and yet you are ready to pull out? Sounds like an inside job to me; why else would they let the drivers go? To quote your own link: _ **The vast majority travel, however, through the country unharmed and the frequency of attacks reported in the media does not appear to have risen much, if at all, over the last two years** _ Did you even read the artical you linked to and used as justification to call for a pull out. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![felonious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d07c76/32.png) [@felonious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/felonious)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/56 "2010-10-06T22:27:14Z")
Everyone in the entire third worlds hates America…maybe because we are rich. “WE” are not rich at all any of the times I ever checked my finances! When you Pakistanis have a massive flood or you Hatians have a catastrphic earthquake…any time anyone has any disaster, the US of A is always the first one to respond to help and always offers up the most (by far) in financial resources and aide, and yet, you all still hate us. I say myabe we (the US of A) should just stop helping any of you ingrateful @%\*@#@ and just help our own country out for about a decade. If you suffer a catastrophy…Oh well…deal with it! Don’t ask your “enemy” …“the evil infidels”…for any help any more…see how long you last and what your quality of life is then! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/57 "2010-10-06T22:45:57Z")
Not possible for us to pull out as long as we have forces in Afghanistan, a completely landlocked nation. Once we’re out of there, we’re free to go tell the Pakistanis to go fuck themselves with the Devil of their own creation. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/58 "2010-10-07T14:11:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > [Link](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/world/asia/28pstan.html?_r=1&ref=world) for anyone interested. > > > [@](#): > > > > NATO forces in Afghanistan launched two airstrikes against Taliban insurgents on the Pakistani side of the border, killing more than 30 people, military spokesmen confirmed on Monday. > > > > \ > > > > Pakistan was reported on Monday to have criticized the strikes, denying American assertions that the United States has an agreement with Pakistan authorizing so-called “hot pursuit” raids a few miles across the border. In a press statement, the Pakistan Foreign Ministry said the mandate of NATO forces in Afghanistan did not extend beyond the border The [hot pursuit doctrine](http://www.cfr.org/publication/13440/can_states_invoke_hot_pursuit_to_hunt_rebels.html) in international law is sufficiently fuzzy that Pakistan’s consent is arguably irrelevant when pursuing non-state actors operating out of Pakistani territory and not prevented from doing so by the Pakistani government. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/59 "2010-10-07T14:23:46Z")
> [@](#): > > “pressure tactics” meant to force the Pakistani army to conduct operations against al-Qaeda and Afghan insurgents based in the mountainous tribal area of North Waziristan Ghu forbid that pressure tactics should be applied to force them to meet their obligations under international law. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285/60 "2010-10-07T14:37:09Z")
> [@felonious](#): > > Everyone in the entire third worlds hates America…maybe because we are rich. “WE” are not rich at all any of the times I ever checked my finances! > > When you Pakistanis have a massive flood or you Hatians have a catastrphic earthquake…any time anyone has any disaster, the US of A is always the first one to respond to help and always offers up the most (by far) in financial resources and aide, and yet, you all still hate us. > > I say myabe we (the US of A) should just stop helping any of you ingrateful @%\*@#@ and just help our own country out for about a decade. > > If you suffer a catastrophy…Oh well…deal with it! Don’t ask your “enemy” …“the evil infidels”…for any help any more…see how long you last and what your quality of life is then! It’s funny how you added Haitians in the mix there. I wonder why you did that. :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/555285.md?page=4)