This area is enough of a mess without dragging the Chinese into it.
And here I thought True Believers® were a thing of the past; turns out I was wrong.
Pray tell, do you look under your bed for “evil tararist” before you go to sleep at night? If not, you should. Personally, I’m always on the lookout for banana peels.
And now they are getting all uppity.
The right answer, of course, is fuck 'em. If they are turning a blind eye to bad guys using their land to kill our boys, then they get whatever we have the balls to give them. I give the administration full props, pour a 40 on the ground, etc, for this policy.
Screw the polls; the vast majority of people didn’t even know the differance (or care) between Iraq and Afganistan; that’s why that dumb fuck they elected in 2000 was able to sell that load of crap. The real war should always have concentrated on the Taliban and the people that support them, al qaeda. As long as they are there organizing shit like this in Pakistan innocents will die when they stand and tolerate living by them.
Do you really think if we don’t stand up to them that they will just stop and live in peace and harmony with the rest of civilazation? Thier stated goal is the down fall of Western civilzation and a turn back to the dark ages where religious leaders dictated peoples actions. Screw that; Pakistan needs to grow a pair and take care of thier own internal affairs or we will keep taking shots over the boarder. It’s called reality, deal with it.
What is our legal authority for going into Pakistan? Does the AUMF authorize military force somehow generally, where needed, rather than in specific nations?
“Badges? We ain’t got no badges. We don’t need no badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges.”
Hey, that’s my line damnit! 
It’s called proactive self presevation and not waiting around with your thumb up your ass while someone is preparing to attack you. Pakistan has nukes, if they were really pissed and didn’t want us killing these guys they could make us stop just by threating to retaliate; but you see they don’t.
AmeroConned sheeple is mine. But whatever makes you happy dude.
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In the past, the legal justification has been that hot pursuit of fleeing enemy forces was part of the inherent right of self-defense. Since the border isn’t really clearly delineated in the first place in many places, it wouldn’t take much for an aircraft to go a few miles into Pakistani territory/airspace and not immediately realize it.
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The vast majority of those killed have turned out to be innocent civilians, while large numbers of others remain unidentified but classified as “suspects.”
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The link that your cited article uses to support this claim doesn’t work. Given that even the Pakistani military can’t or won’t reach these areas to maintain order, it’s hard to believe these estimates of civilian casualties. Particularly since the Taliban intentionally blur the line between civilians and combatants by refusing to wear uniforms, as well as blending in and hiding among the civilian population before, during, and after their attacks.
The fun part of guerrilla or asymmetrical warfare is that you’re fighting civilians.
We get to continue “hot pursuit”, they get to denounce it so they won’t have to watch their political career go down the toilet. And the bad guy gets caught. Eventually it is forgotten. It looks like a fair trade to me.
Yes, despite my smart-ass Treasure of the Sierra Madre quote, which I could not resist, I agree with this.
Also, my understanding is that we do indeed have a quiet agreement with Pakistan.
Yes, it’s obvious that there is an understanding between us and Pakistan to allow targeting across the border. Could you see us doing this with any other nuclear power and getting away with it? And since we don’t have a lot of good intel on that side of the border its not a stretch to assume that the Pakistani government is pointing them out to us in quite a few instances. Of course that’s probably just the AmeroConned sheeple in me talking. :rolleyes:
More hijinks in Pakistan.
As we used to say in high school, it’s time to pull out.
No one was wounded or killed and yet you are ready to pull out? Sounds like an inside job to me; why else would they let the drivers go? To quote your own link:
The vast majority travel, however, through the country unharmed and the frequency of attacks reported in the media does not appear to have risen much, if at all, over the last two years
Did you even read the artical you linked to and used as justification to call for a pull out. 
Everyone in the entire third worlds hates America…maybe because we are rich. “WE” are not rich at all any of the times I ever checked my finances!
When you Pakistanis have a massive flood or you Hatians have a catastrphic earthquake…any time anyone has any disaster, the US of A is always the first one to respond to help and always offers up the most (by far) in financial resources and aide, and yet, you all still hate us.
I say myabe we (the US of A) should just stop helping any of you ingrateful @%*@#@ and just help our own country out for about a decade.
If you suffer a catastrophy…Oh well…deal with it! Don’t ask your “enemy” …“the evil infidels”…for any help any more…see how long you last and what your quality of life is then!
Not possible for us to pull out as long as we have forces in Afghanistan, a completely landlocked nation. Once we’re out of there, we’re free to go tell the Pakistanis to go fuck themselves with the Devil of their own creation.
The hot pursuit doctrine in international law is sufficiently fuzzy that Pakistan’s consent is arguably irrelevant when pursuing non-state actors operating out of Pakistani territory and not prevented from doing so by the Pakistani government.
Ghu forbid that pressure tactics should be applied to force them to meet their obligations under international law. :rolleyes:
It’s funny how you added Haitians in the mix there. I wonder why you did that. :dubious: