# Fuck You Pakistan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2011, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524 "2011-06-15T03:45:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/21 "2011-06-15T14:42:36Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > In any case, the nuclear stick that Pakistan wields is nowhere near the aggressive deterrent they would like it to be. And the consequences of them using a nuke are much worse for Pakistan than for anyone else. So again… fuck 'em. You’re stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/22 "2011-06-15T14:59:11Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I have no fear of Pakistani nukes because I am absolutely certain the number one wargame at USSOCOM is “How do we take the nukes away from Pakistan?” And anything commandos can’t accomplish can be finished off by bunker busters. Or vice versa. Pakistan is estimated to have something in the neighborhood of 100 nuclear warheads, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/23 "2011-06-15T15:02:36Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Yes, let’s purposefully annoy a nuclear theocracy with a high level of political instability and substantial numbers of hard-line Islamic death-cult fundamentalists. > > That’ll end well. OK, but there isn’t there some kind of sanity level between this and giving them 3 Billion dollars? Maybe just 1 billion. For coming up with this brilliant thought I could get a few million as an origination fee. I promise to spend some of it on some orphaned kittens and shit. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/24 "2011-06-15T15:21:31Z")
Assuming the arrests of these men are for retribution, I completely agree with the title of the thread, but not the content. I see no reason to care at all about India or Pakistan as military allies; their interests just aren’t ours. That said, I hope the government is doing something realistic to get the people that helped us out of any possible danger. I wouldn’t mind any of them and their extended families being American citizens with pensions, free educations for themselves and their relatives, and maybe a quiet cabin on a lake. They helped us get OBL, the guy who masterminded the worst foreign attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/25 "2011-06-15T15:26:31Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You’re stupid. Hey, that’s my line. Not that I disagree with your assessment, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/26 "2011-06-15T16:39:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [A shit ton, give or take:](http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0503/After-Osama-bin-Laden-s-death-Congress-rethinks-aid-to-Pakistan/(page)/2) Well, that’s more than the US is giving me. Is there any benefit to letting Pakistan be the Palm Springs for terrorists? At least we know where to find them. At any rate, I don’t feel like besties with either Pakistan or India, so if there’s a strong movement towards backing away from them, I don’t have a big problem with it. I’ve always felt we should be BFFs with central and S. America. They are much more “us” than them, so to speak. Of course, we do give them lots of money too. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/27 "2011-06-15T16:52:50Z")
You don’t think the country which bills itself as the birthplace of modern democracy should be on good terms with the largest country to adopt its system of government? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/28 "2011-06-15T16:58:37Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Is there any benefit to letting Pakistan be the Palm Springs for terrorists? At least we know where to find them. No, there’s no benefit to letting terrorists have a free hand even if you have a vague idea where they are. Afghanistan was the Palm Springs for terrorists in the '90s. How did that work out? > [@](#): > > At any rate, I don’t feel like besties with either Pakistan or India, so if there’s a strong movement towards backing away from them, I don’t have a big problem with it. While there are some people who want aid to Pakistan scaled way back - including some Pakistanis who think the country is subsisting on foreign aid instead of developing its economy - I don’t think there’s any real push for getting out of the region. I know the Obama administration feels the U.S. should be paying more attention to India, Pakistan, and South Asia and less to the Middle East, and that makes sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/29 "2011-06-15T17:01:57Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I just give up. Just cut off all friggin aid and back India full-on on Kashmir and whatever else. We should have done this since 1947. Pakistan’s always had military dictatorships and Islamist movements running about while India has preserved something of democracy. Ideally India should never have been partitioned, its been the cause of all this grief. Are we seeing you actually critique Cold War policy, as followed even by the blessed St Ronnie? What happened to containment and roll back? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/30 "2011-06-15T17:03:48Z")
Strictly speaking, India has been closer to communism for much of its history than Pakistan. Communist politics still play a bigger role in India than just about any country that isn’t actually communist, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/31 "2011-06-15T19:19:35Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > If they do “light one off”, then it will almost certainly be at India. India has a second strike capability, so they will almost certainly retaliate. You can then expect to see extremely high casualty levels in two countries with combined populations of 1.4 billion. That’s before you look at the likely collateral effects on Bangladesh (smack in the middle) and China. Minor quibble: Bangladesh is on the other side, not in the middle. The Country Formerly Known as East Pakistan split off in part because of its separation from (West) Pakistan. Not that any nuclear fallout from a, well, nuclear fall-out between India and Pakistan won’t make Bangladeshis’ life miserable. More miserable. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/32 "2011-06-15T19:33:19Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > If they were a normal country they certainly wouldn’t fire them, but then if they were a normal country then examples like yours above wouldn’t happen in the first place. I find it humorous when Americans use terms like “normal country” to suggest a stable nation-state where the law rules and what the government says goes. Such a place is hardly the norm. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > You are willing to put two angry cats in a sack and drop them off a bridge. Fuck 'em, it’ll be messy but they’ll be too far away to harm you and you are glad you won’t have to deal with them any more. If you’re trying to suggest that letting Pakistan and India fight is a dangerous thing to do, that analogy doesn’t strike me as a good one. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/33 "2011-06-15T20:53:30Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > I find it humorous when Americans use terms like “normal country” to suggest a stable nation-state where the law rules and what the government says goes. Such a place is hardly the norm. I’m not American. But even so, They are pretty much a nuclear theocracy on the edge of revolution. For a given value of “normal” they are far from it. > [@](#): > > If you’re trying to suggest that letting Pakistan and India fight is a dangerous thing to do, that analogy doesn’t strike me as a good one. The poster I was replying to seemed happy to let Pakistan plus whoever fight it out as long as they were far away from the US. India probably wouldn’t work as a cat though. They are more of an elephant I suspect. But how would you get an elephant in bag? And would the cat want to fight it if you could? I admit it breaks down under analysis but which analogy doesn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/34 "2011-06-15T20:56:30Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Why are you so damn eager to see millions of people killed? Are you some sort of fucking sociopath or something? > > Here’s the sane alternative to all your moronic posturing: nukes are to be avoided at all costs. Never, ever, ever, EVER again. Period. And what do you do if Pakistan doesn’t feel the same way? ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/35 "2011-06-15T21:20:06Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > What sorts of aid/funds are we giving Pakistan these days? > **[Foreign aid to Pakistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Pakistan)** > > Pakistan receives foreign aid from several countries and international organizations. > Pakistan received $649 million in aid for education in 2015, the highest it had received so far. the aid had increased from $586 million in 2014 to $649 million in 2015. The paper also reports that Pakistan received the most aid out of all the countries in Southern Asia, with India just behind receiving $589 million in 2015. The biggest part of the aid to Pakistan was given for basic education. Out of the to... 18 billion in Military and Economic aid in the last decade, with more promised. I don’t think it’s necessarilly all bags of cash, some of it will be physical objects (say an F-16). I don’t know where to find an itemised list of this aid. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/36 "2011-06-16T04:41:14Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > You are willing to put two angry cats in a sack and drop them off a bridge. Fuck 'em, it’ll be messy but they’ll be too far away to harm you and you are glad you won’t have to deal with them any more. > > Be clear, the size and effectiveness of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal is irrelevant. > These are political weapons. Rather horrifically, the initial devastation they wreak is rather beside the point. The geo-political fallout will circle the globe in fairly short order and form a glowing heap in your back garden. Like most Yanks, I’m from west of the Appalachians. If we assume a regionalist bias, some of us don’t care much about military strikes on American soil, because those strikes will focus on the eastern seaboard, & not reach the interior. A Middle-American who would gladly see a bunch of South Asians dead because they mean nothing to him can rationally be expected to positively welcome any chance of seeing the resented cities of New York & D.C. burn. And any strikes against the USA from countries in the Eastern Hemisphere can reasonably be assumed to ignore the vast interior of the country & fall into the, “America Is New York,” stereotype. I suspect the main reason that there aren’t more Americans working harder to get America nuked is as follows: The sort of person who’s well-traveled enough to know the, “America Is New York,” stereotype exists is probably xenophilic enough not to provoke mass murder in other countries, let alone world war. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/37 "2011-06-16T05:06:16Z")
Of course, most jingoistic types don’t think it through that far. They assume America will always win, & they identify the USA with themselves to some degree. But there is a sick logic to people from the provinces using US power to poke bears, if they hate the older/richer/less-conservative parts of the republic enough. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/38 "2011-06-16T05:36:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Whether or not we give money to Pakistan is dependent on the calculus of there being a net gain to the US for doing so… I accept the RealPolitik approach. It is, however, getting harder to believe that such a net gain actually exists. It is hard to see any gain at all honestly. Let’s be real - the people of Pakistan hate us for supporting a corrupt regime and for the very fact that they rely on the money. The powers (or at least important elements of those powers) that be take the money and use it to line their own pockets, funnel some of it to terror groups, and protect the heads of terror groups while making superficial show of working with us. And they get away with it because they know we feel we need to support them. The only way giving money has influence is if you are willing to stop giving it if you do get reasonable behavior consistent with your self-interest in return. We have not gotten that from Pakistan and continuing to fund them as strongly without getting that in return will result in the aid having even less positive influence in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/39 "2011-06-16T08:11:01Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Minor quibble: Bangladesh is on the other side, not in the middle. The Country Formerly Known as East Pakistan split off in part because of its separation from (West) Pakistan. Apologies, poorly phrased. “Caught in the middle” would give a better sense of how they’re likely to get dragged into it, rather than imply they are physically between the two. ---
**Author:** ![ghenghis\_khan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d2c977/32.png) [@ghenghis\_khan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ghenghis_khan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524/40 "2019-01-25T03:53:46Z")
We can all agree (everyone) this is the best thread in the world!! Fucken Pakistani’s have never done anything other then terrorize people in the world. They also killed 5 to 10 Chinese engineers recently. I have never met a Pakistani I liked in my life. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-pakistan/585524.md?page=3)