# Fuck you, republican animals!!!!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600 "2018-12-24T02:44:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/101 "2018-12-26T19:23:39Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > an insane clown US president is not “elsewhere,” no matter where you live. Nor is his posse of enablers. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/102 "2018-12-26T19:27:48Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The canary is supposed to give warning by passing out, not by going berserk. > [@kayaker](#): > > Yep, asahi is more of a conure, or maybe a caique. And the coal mine is more of a flooded cavern. Yeah, I was really just mocking k9bfriender who said it seriously in another asahi thread: > [@White America doesn't understand democracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-america-doesnt-understand-democracy/824169/120): > > However, like a canary being more sensitive to bad air, and giving a warning to others before they too are overcome, Asashi is more sensitive to perceived authoritarian moves, and gives a warning to others before they too are overcome. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/103 "2018-12-26T19:45:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Yeah, I was really just mocking k9bfriender who said it seriously in another asahi thread: You failed miserably on that, once again. Maybe you just aren’t too good at this sort of thing. And you have outed yourself as not just a troll, but a stalker too. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/104 "2018-12-26T20:06:58Z")
Lol. You don’t know what “stalker” means either. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/105 "2018-12-26T20:18:48Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Lol. You don’t know what “stalker” means either. Someone who just can’t let things go, who brings their failure at trolling another poster from one thread to another, trying desperately to score some internet points with someone, anyone at all? You’re right that’s not really a stalker, stalkers usually aren’t so pathetic as you make yourself out to be. Nice that you don’t even try to rebut my observation of your trollishness. Meh, you are just as tiresome and boring as the last time. Try to do something new, at least. All this feeding, and you still can’t grow as a troll? Once again, you are dismissed. I know I asked you to try to be less pathetic next time, but I realize that that is asking quite a bit of you, I expect that next time, you will be just, or more pathetic as the last, you just aren’t really capable of much more. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/106 "2018-12-26T20:34:17Z")
What’s to rebut? You think a troll accusation requires a denial? Calling you on your blather isn’t trolling. There, rebutted. .But tell me, what do you think of your canary’s performance in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/107 "2018-12-26T20:40:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Wellll… > > Maybe not. He doesn’t seem to be a racist, a Nazi, a Klansman, a supporter of locking up children, a misogynist, a Dominionist, a “Sovereign citizen” (gubmint sux but gimme MINE), a supporter of presidential treason, or any of the other horse shit. > > So, I’d say he’s no where NEAR as bad. Maybe he’s just tired of the nonstop shit show and the so called “people” who support it. As far as the “at least he’s not” list goes, I can add a bunch more, but he’s still annoying. \*\*asahi \*\*would still shine like a beacon in an ocean of deplorables with his sweeping generalizations. He’s like Michael Avenatti in that he’s technically on my side, but sweet Og, just stop with the constant histrionics. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/108 "2018-12-26T20:45:29Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What’s to rebut? You think a troll accusation requires a denial? Calling you on your blather isn’t trolling. There, rebutted. Hmmm, who exactly brought up my “blather” in this thread?" Wasn’t me. Musta been the troll. > [@](#): > > .But tell me, what do you think of your canary’s performance in this thread? Given what I have seen so far, I can tell that you are incapable of reading for context. The point of what I said in that other thread was a dismissal of Asashi’s specific concerns. I was pointing out that Asashi’s behavior was merely a warning, not that he was the problem, and that he wasn’t going to be a part of the solution. If you really wanted to get into it, I could have agreed that the metaphor did not hit on all points, but, as I said in that thread, you doubled down on the stupid, and made wild and ridiculous accusations that could not be taken seriously, as they were so fucking stupid, that I couldn’t believe that a functional adult would make them. So, maybe you are not a troll, but you are just so fucking stupid that no one would ever believe that you are a functional adult. Your choice as to how you wish to be perceived. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/109 "2018-12-26T20:52:27Z")
Oh, I’m stupid? What the hell is ‘I was pointing out that Asashi’s behavior was merely a warning, not that he was the problem, and that he wasn’t going to be a part of the solution.’ supposed to be responding to? Did I say you were saying any of that? No, I was responding to what you actually said and continue to believe: that a whackjob on the internet like asahi has some kind of predictive powers because he is “sensitive” to authoritarianism beyond normal rational people. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/110 "2018-12-26T20:54:06Z")
Get a room! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/111 "2018-12-26T21:00:14Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh, I’m stupid? What the hell is ‘I was pointing out that Asashi’s behavior was merely a warning, not that he was the problem, and that he wasn’t going to be a part of the solution.’ supposed to be responding to? Did I say you were saying any of that? No, I was responding to what you actually said and continue to believe: that a whackjob on the internet like asahi has some kind of predictive powers because he is “sensitive” to authoritarianism beyond normal rational people. Yeah, and that is why you are a stupid, stupid troll. That is not what I said, and it is certainly not what I “continue to believe”. It is only what you have chosen to believe I said, because either you suck at reading, or just an out and out troll just looking to stir up trouble. I don’t care which, as either way, you are tiresome and not out to fight even your own ignorance, so I am done with you. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > Get a room! 😃 Sayin’. It doesn’t matter if we get a room or not, that fucker seems to not be able to stop thinking about me. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/112 "2018-12-26T21:09:42Z")
Lol, it’s exactly what you said. In this very thread. I really love the old unrelenting confidence though. Shows you’ve really put your time in the internet flamewar trenches. No troll, you. Just keep pretending you didn’t say what you said and everyone who disagrees is the troll. Classic. Oh, and also I’m ‘stalking’ you because I recalled an earlier thread where you defended the nutjob OP of this thread. Also, a classic. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/113 "2018-12-27T00:25:07Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I don’t think that is what your examples show. They seem to be more like cautionary tales about leveraging connections to skate past building codes. Both of those fires would have been far less disastrous with better exits and fire code adherence. Whether the patrons went apeshit had little to do with it- their fates were mostly sealed. > > They don’t prove your point. Instead, they leave wiggle room to argue in favor of going apeshit- in a situation where the theater is on fire, there is only one exit and not everyone is going to get out, maybe the guy who goes apeshit has an advantage. Maybe that’s why we evolved the response in the first place. > > Even so, I’ll concede that humans have gained way more mileage out of evolving the cool, rational aspect. Are you a fucking retard? First, like I said, it was an analogy. Even then, those who went apeshit got trampled, jammed against the doors and making it impossible to open them. People died because others trampled them into the floors. Had they REMAINED in control of themselves, they would’ve found out, “hey, this situation is fucked up, but if we remain calm, we can find a way to get everyone out.” (Granted, human beings generally don’t work that way. Often in disasters, we revert to our lizard brains. But it usually doesn’t work out in our favor) If the only solution you have is to run around and scream, “FUCK YOU TRUMP!!!”, I’m sorry, you deserve to get taken in. Because you’re a fucking dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/114 "2018-12-27T00:44:53Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Not hostile to that idea at all. I am hostile to the suggestion that either nothing or too little is being done. I am also hostile to the idea that dragging Republicans into the street to shoot them is a viable plan. > > Having an idea of particular ideas you’d personally like implemented is well and good, but guess what? Trump is in the White House and the Republicans hold the Senate. You aren’t going to get those nifty legislative plans signed into law until we get them replaced. And the rest? What are you going to do about them? Voting the current batch of Republicans out of power is all good and fine, but it won’t change their nature; the hoi polloi will still vote for whoever throws them their red meat and the meat throwers will still be cool with right-wing authoritarianism. What are you going to do about that? I don’t advocate violence so much as just predict it. I’m all for, as I said, enshrining these norms McConnell and friends piss on into law so they can’t misbehave like this again. Putting elections in the hands of a non-partisan organization might not be a bad idea either, considering the relentless need Republicans have for what I’m told is Voter Confidence. These ideas may all suck; I’m not any sort of political strategist. But thinking all will be well once Trump and his current band of idiots are out of power is a mistake because Republicans will Republican again. And so I asked “what then?” Something will have to be done about them Republicans other than unelecting them or this will all start over. And the next guy may be smarter and more competent than Trump. He could hardly be less so, right? > [@](#): > > And to absolutely put a fine point on it, the POV you are defending (the OPs) is one where ‘the plan’ is absolutely to violate democratic norms and oppose Republicans violently, even to the point of denying them basic democratic rights, to deny their essential humanity, and to incarcerate or execute them without proper trial just for holding their own personal repugnant views. Not so. I believe your political institutions still have enough life in them such that current and future fascist wannabes can be stopped before they start. Violent revolution isn’t the only solution at this point. Pretty sure I’ve never advocated incarceration or execution without a trial. However, I’m all for punching the nazi. Always punch the nazi. It’s what they’re there for. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/115 "2018-12-27T04:30:45Z")
> [@skywatcher](#): > > nor is his posse of enablers. 😉 iswydt ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/116 "2018-12-27T05:16:30Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > But thinking all will be well once Trump and his current band of idiots are out of power is a mistake because Republicans will Republican again. And so I asked “what then?” Something will have to be done about them Republicans other than unelecting them or this will all start over. Ah, well this is the key point. I don’t think they’ll ever be completely out of power. It’s like planning on what to do once you get a billion dollars. I’m working on just how I’m supposed to get there in the first place, and you’re taking me to task for not having a plan ready for it - I’m not sanguine about the chances we’ll ever really get there at all, so it’s more in the realm of daydreams than realistic scenarios. But in any case, the ‘what then?’ still involves educating the populace so the situation is less likely to happen again. And preserving their voting rights. And doing something about extreme gerrymandering. And in being ever vigilant and working to prevent at least the worst of the assclowns from holding power in the first place. As for beyond that, there are already some anti-corruption measures floating about, which the current batch of Republicans have been fighting. There’s been an increase in discussions, at the very least, and tests in different voting methods (including ranked systems, which I do like), in judicial term limits, in just about every aspect of our government. Are there definite plans that can be realized soon? No, because no single idea has the support of a sufficiently large group. That’s again where short timeframes are unreasonable. Democracy is supposed to work as a marketplace of ideas and, unfortunately, it really does take time for any of these ideas or plans to develop and win the support of a sufficient number of people. So, yes, there are plans in motion. There’s no single plan or set of plans because we’re not a fucking autocracy and don’t plan on becoming one. As with anything involving several different groups of people with often wildly different priorities, getting buy-in on a ‘master set’ of plans or even a vague singular platform is difficult to impossible. That’s supposed to be a feature, actually. That does put us at risk for a repeat of the current mess, but the alternative, if the OP is representative, appears to be an equally ridiculous tyranny of the left, which the left is generally pretty good about avoiding from the get-go. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/117 "2018-12-27T15:34:53Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Lol, it’s exactly what you said. In this very thread. I really love the old unrelenting confidence though. Shows you’ve really put your time in the internet flamewar trenches. No troll, you. Just keep pretending you didn’t say what you said and everyone who disagrees is the troll. Classic. > > Oh, and also I’m ‘stalking’ you because I recalled an earlier thread where you defended the nutjob OP of this thread. Also, a classic. My god, you are tiresome. You think I “defended” Asashi? That’s beyond stupid on your part. I was dismissing what he was saying, pointing out that his flipping out is just a symptom of the environment that we are in. People were all complaining about his posts, and that he was not offering solutions, I was just pointing out that that was not any more helpful. He has nothing useful to say that we don’t already know, and he has no solutions other than crazy reactionary and unproductive ideas, but bitching and whining about that is not any more productive. You seem to think that canaries have some super sense, this isn’t the MCU, you dumb fuck. They are not super sensitive, they are overly sensitive. They succumb when healthy adult humans do not, as Asashi has succumbed where healthy stable minds (unlike your own) do not. And you really are having trouble quitting me. From your first completely unprovoked stupid post out of the blue, declaring that that is not what a canary in the coal mine is, to where you went after Asashi, incorrectly naming me as his defender, then in this thread, thinking that you would be clever and think that your drivel is mocking, you have been pursuing me. I would note that you posted what you “recalled” before I ever posted in this thread. You were not responding to something that I said, you made the decision to bring it up on all on your own. You were thinking of me! I’d be flattered, but then, it’s you, so I’m not. Now, note how other posters responded to “your claim” that Asashi was a canary. They didn’t call you out, or claim you didn’t know what a canary was, they just gave examples of metaphors that they felt better fit. That’s constructive. Those are good posters, and even though they were thinking that your claim there was original to you, and not your pathetic attempt of dragging up something from several days ago and a thread away, they offered helpful suggestions to improve your metaphor, rather than try to claim that you have said something that you clearly have not. Your little one liners are not constructive. They do not further progression of discussion, they do not provide any new or interesting ideas, they do not provide any useful information. They are just stirring up shit in order to score yourself some self awarded internet points, or trolling for short. Just accept it, you offer nothing useful or productive to contribute to this board, so you are left to simply snipping at the ankles of your betters. You know that you will win a shit throwing contest, because you _like_ being covered in shit, and that’s a win in your shitty little mind. But troll on, my friend, if that is what makes you happy, troll on. Just don’t think that anyone is impressed or even amused by your dancing around covered in your own shit. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/118 "2018-12-27T16:15:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Are you a fucking retard? First, like I said, it was an analogy. > > Even then, those who went apeshit got trampled, jammed against the doors and making it impossible to open them. People died because others trampled them into the floors. > > Had they REMAINED in control of themselves, they would’ve found out, “hey, this situation is fucked up, but if we remain calm, we can find a way to get everyone out.” > > (Granted, human beings generally don’t work that way. Often in disasters, we revert to our lizard brains. But it usually doesn’t work out in our favor) > > If the only solution you have is to run around and scream, “FUCK YOU TRUMP!!!”, I’m sorry, you deserve to get taken in. Because you’re a fucking dumbass. No, I am not retarded, Guin. At least I have never been diagnosed… I think you are misunderstanding me. Is staying calm usually better than going apeshit? Yeah, I agree with your conclusion. But your examples don’t really support the conclusion. You have presented examples where people are in a death trap and their behavior doesn’t really matter- calm or apeshit, there is but one exit and they are doomed. How does that prove your point? Trapped people whose hair is literally (in the literal sense of literal) on fire aren’t helped by a lecture. They’re helped by a priori regulation in the form of building and fire codes, because once they’re trapped in a badly designed, burning building, it is too late to behave their way out of it. Do you see? Yeah, staying calm is better. And I sure hope the current situation is not analogous to a death trap. I believe that is the case, and so disagreeing with your poor analogy is not the same as disputing your conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/119 "2018-12-27T16:57:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > . > > You seem to think that canaries have some super sense, this isn’t the MCU, you dumb fuck. You really are a complete idiot; guess that’s why you assume everyone else is. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600/120 "2018-12-27T17:06:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But troll on, my friend, if that is what makes you happy, troll on… But you’ve been feeding the troll, investing dozens of paragraphs of invective. If people here didn’t react, the trolling would be less intrusive. ::sigh:: This thread is a perfect example of “When the Dope goes bad.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-republican-animals/826600.md?page=7)