# Fuck you, right-wing, anti-American traitors! (the effort to stop Fahrenheit 9/11) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 14, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205 "2004-06-14T00:18:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/21 "2004-06-14T01:37:39Z")
If the movie is all lies and bullshit as Dave posits. Why are the pubbies so afraid of it? ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/22 "2004-06-14T01:57:25Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > I’d make an effort to stop Michael Moore from ever making a movie again if I could… > [@Airman Doors](#): > > However, simply stating that I’d love to get the guy to shut up because he’s a dishonest fuck doesn’t mean that I would do so. Hmmm… Anyway, doesn’t really matter cause you can’t and thus you won’t. As for Moore, I have found that once you sift through some of the nonsense and over-the-top bullshit in his films, there _is_ truth there. And if it takes a pompous, blowhard to shine a little light, then so be it. Those folks who actually have some power and money behind them, and who are trying to suppress/block/whatever the film, should be rightly ridiculed. Mostly cause their net affect will probably be the same as FoxNews suing Franken. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Israfel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/87869e/32.png) [@Israfel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Israfel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/23 "2004-06-14T02:02:41Z")
I don’t see the problem. One side makes a film, the other side “protests” against it. Sounds like free speech in action to me. ---
**Author:** ![cmason32](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@cmason32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmason32)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/24 "2004-06-14T02:05:48Z")
Protesting against a movie is a sure way to guarantee that more people will see it. I don’t understand why people haven’t learned this lesson. ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/25 "2004-06-14T02:08:09Z")
**Reeder** , because people often _believe_ propaganda without doing any fact-checking. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/26 "2004-06-14T02:08:42Z")
Not only are these people anti-American, they’re also idiots. That British newspaper they quote about Moore admitting to wanting to “bring down the American government?” In Europe, they use “government” in the same way that we use “administration.” So while it sounds like Moore wants to bring down the United States, the way it’s quoted here, it really just means that he wants Bush defeated in November. Not that this difference will be pointed out, acknowledged or even understood by the members of BushCult. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/27 "2004-06-14T02:09:20Z")
The _problem_ is that these anti-American assholes are trying to pressure theaters via a [letter-writing campaign](http://www.moveamericaforward.org/MichaelMoore/) into either backing out of their booking agreements or not signing one at all, for those theaters that haven’t decided whether or not to show it. [http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/russo.html](http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/russo.html) says that “some theater owners are reporting receiving death threats.” True or not, there’s an effort underway to “Stop Michael Moore” by shutting his movie down, and that’s just wrong. Once again, fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/28 "2004-06-14T02:12:43Z")
> [@Israfel](#): > > I don’t see the problem. One side makes a film, the other side “protests” against it. Sounds like free speech in action to me. Hear hear. Or is it here here? Whatever. Maybe it’s hear here. Unless the government passes sends in the jack-booted thugs to any theater showing the film and takes everyone into custody, or passes a law banning Moore movies, the first amendment really has nothing to do with it. Moore has the right to make his movie and try to get people to see it, and the people who disagree with him have the right to try to prevent people from seeing it. We all get to choose. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/29 "2004-06-14T02:16:06Z")
> [@Denis](#): > > **Reeder** , because people often _believe_ propaganda without doing any fact-checking. You reckon that’s because Bushco knows all about lies and bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/30 "2004-06-14T02:23:25Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Moore has the right to make his movie and try to get people to see it, and the people who disagree with him have the right to try to prevent people from seeing it. We all get to choose. Yay! If the people who try to prevent it from ever being shown succeed, then you and I don’t get to choose, do we? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/31 "2004-06-14T02:27:25Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > However, simply stating that I’d love to get the guy to shut up because he’s a dishonest fuck… I could say the same thing about the president. It’d be nice if ALL the dishonest fucks would just shut up. However, until that happy day when hell freezes over, I’d rather live in a world where the all the dishonest fucks in the world are free to spew their dishonest fucking at _each other_. When you have dishonest fuckers on both sides of an issue, the spew from one side tends to neutralize the spew from the other. Like a collision between matter and antimatter, the fucking substance goes away, and all that remains of is a small amount of heat. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/32 "2004-06-14T02:27:29Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > If the people who try to prevent it from ever being shown succeed, then you and I don’t get to choose, do we? Even if the fictitious work of Mssr.Moore never graces the silver screen, I’m pretty sure it would come out on DVD, be made available for download, etc. ‘Freedom of Speech’ does not equal ‘You must put this propaganda in the movie theaters or we are living in NAZI GERMANY!’. And if by some some twist of fate the propaganda peice is never released in any form, it’ll just go to show that the good-guys _do_ sometimes win. But I doubt that’ll happen. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/33 "2004-06-14T02:32:15Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Even if the fictitious work of Mssr.Moore never graces the silver screen, I’m pretty sure it would come out on DVD, be made available for download, etc. ‘Freedom of Speech’ does not equal ‘You must put this propaganda in the movie theaters or we are living in NAZI GERMANY!’. > > And if by some some twist of fate the propaganda peice is never released in any form, it’ll just go to show that the good-guys _do_ sometimes win. But I doubt that’ll happen. I take it you’ve seen the movie Brutus. Please enlighten us about the fictitious parts. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/34 "2004-06-14T02:37:58Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > And if by some some twist of fate the propaganda peice is never released in any form, it’ll just go to show that the good-guys _do_ sometimes win. I am so glad that you, too, have no power or money or influence to make your “good guys” win. The world is indeed a better place. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/35 "2004-06-14T02:38:10Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Even if the fictitious work of Mssr.Moore never graces the silver screen, I’m pretty sure it would come out on DVD, be made available for download, etc. ‘Freedom of Speech’ does not equal ‘You must put this propaganda in the movie theaters or we are living in NAZI GERMANY!’. Didn’t say it was. But making it more difficult for people to see opposing viewpoints is against the _spirit_ of Freedom Of Speech, IMHO. And no, I’m not saying it should be illegal somehow for these folks to try to prevent the movie from being played. I just find it cowardly and un-American. > [@Brutus](#): > > And if by some some twist of fate the propaganda peice is never released in any form, it’ll just go to show that the good-guys _do_ sometimes win. But I doubt that’ll happen. When opposing viewpoints are squashed by threats, that rarely means the good guys are winning. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/36 "2004-06-14T02:38:47Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > Seriously, what the hell was that all about? That’s the equivalent of raising an eyebrow and saying, “Oh, he’s one of _them_.” What are these “true colors” you’re talking about? Only thing I’ve read is a poster’s saying that Moore makes propaganda movies, which is a point I agree with 100%. Moore’s hysterics, fact-manipulating, hyperbole, and propaganda are acceptable, but a press release and website that do the same exact thing are not? Does this mean I’m one of _them_ too? Good call! I got the same impression. I think Airman’s true colors are that he can form an opinion on his own and type. Guess I’m “one of them” too. :rolleyes: (except I can’t type very well) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/37 "2004-06-14T02:41:11Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > I take it you’ve seen the movie Brutus. Please enlighten us about the fictitious parts. Even your democrat-sized brain can figure out that since the previous works of Moore were lie-filled propaganda fests, there is no logical reason to expect this one to be any different. Or how about : I am sure you have seen the movie, comrade **Reeder** , since you and your kind are taking some time off from drooling on your shoes to fight for getting it to the theaters. Please enlighten us about why we should give a flipping fuck about a Moore ‘film’? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/38 "2004-06-14T02:43:39Z")
I wish people would stop shitting on this movie before they see it. I don’t like Michael Moore all that much myself. I think his heart is in the right place but he doesn’t quite get the bigger picture. However, I was shocked at how [relatively] objective Bowling for Columbine was. Sure, specific parts were subjective and skewed, but as a whole, the movie was very objective and I liked that. Fahrenheit 9/11 is supposed to be even more objective. Maybe if some of you Bush-zombies would go WATCH THE MOTHER FUCKING FILM you’d be surprised, perhaps even enlightened. ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/39 "2004-06-14T02:46:16Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > You reckon that’s because Bushco knows all about lies and bullshit? What the fuck? Maybe I wasn’t clear. Righties and Lefties _both_ indulge in propaganda bullshit. It’s up to people who want to form their own opinions to do a little fact-checking, no? ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/40 "2004-06-14T02:53:14Z")
I guess I might be “one of them” too. 😛 However, this 'pubbie will watch 911 when it comes out, just because I’ve noticed that amidst the fact manipulation, lies, and distortions, Moore does manage to raise interesting points once in a while. Bowling for Columbine, though primarily bullshit, _did_ raise some interesting questions about the state of our nation… it didn’t answer any of those questions, mind you, but it did raise them. (and Roger and Me was funny as hell, even if I disagreed with Moore’s take on the business world.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205.md?page=3)