# Fuck you, right-wing, anti-American traitors! (the effort to stop Fahrenheit 9/11) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 14, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205 "2004-06-14T00:18:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/61 "2004-06-14T05:53:19Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Exactly. And you are going to tell me with a straight face that a Michael Moore flick is going to serve to ‘inform’ the electorate? Puh-fucking-lease. That disgusting fat-body lives on lies, deceit, and time-honored propaganda techniques. Sorta like Rush Limbaugh, huh? Yet, he’s on the air and people can listen or not, as they please. When Moore’s movie gets into theaters, people can choose to go or not, as they please. That’s they way it’s supposed to work. > [@Brutus](#): > > Yes. Well, most of them. A few may actually have intellectually honest opposition to the man, but not many. Any intellectually honest opinion starts with actually seeing the film in question, then doing research via unbiased sources if there are questions. I don’t support Moore unthinkingly. I support the way his films offer up _ideas_ to think about. They’re certainly more interesting than any ideas that right-wingers offer up. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/62 "2004-06-14T05:55:12Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Moore’s movie _is scheduled_ for wide distribution. Do you mean that it’s ok if theater owners are terrorized or intimidated into dropping the film? Theater owners are not going to be “terrorized” by that ludicrous press release. The only thing that “terrorizes” a theater owner is the thought of not getting enough ticket sales and concessions to keep his business going. This is not supression of free speech; this is just a boycott with some hyperbolic rhetoric attached. > [@Equipoise](#): > > > [@SolGrundy](#): > > > > Moore’s already admitted to suppressing the details about his distribution deal for the movie. > > Cite? [Here’s one of them](http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3565069&thesection=news&thesubsection=world). You can find others by doing [a simple Google search](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=michael+moore+disney&btnG=Google+Search). ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/63 "2004-06-14T06:33:48Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Oh? And what would those “true colors” be? “I’d make an effort to stop Michael Moore from ever making a movie again if I could.” From your mouth to God’s ear. Any idiot can support “freedom of speech” for stuff they _want_ to hear; it takes a real American to support “freedom of speech” they _don’t_ want to hear. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/64 "2004-06-14T06:37:56Z")
So far in this thread, Republicans and Democrats have BOTH accused the other side of being anti-American merely for thinking an opinion contrary to their own. Now, at the very least, one side must be incorrect. Is it probable - hell, do you even think it’s possible - that both sides are incorrect? Could it be that neither side is unamerican? Can we all just agree to listen to what the other side has to say even if you personally think it’s doubleminus bad and should lock the speaker in Room 101 until they’re cured? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/65 "2004-06-14T06:43:41Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Oh, I know what’s coming. I’m an evil censor in the same mold as Ashcroft. I would violate the 1st Amendment in my zeal to stifle dissenting opinions. You know how the story goes. > > However, **simply stating that I’d love to get the guy to shut up because he’s a dishonest fuck doesn’t mean that I would do so**. Another blithe assumption on their behalf. Whatever. Really? A “blithe assumption”? Where might people have got the idea that you would actually attempt to get Moore to shut up? Let’s have a look at the post you made only 1 hour and 5 minutes before the one quoted above.: > [@Airman Doors](#): > > **I’d make an effort to stop Michael Moore from ever making a movie again if I could** because he’s a dishonest, morally bankrupt person who makes propaganda films. Does that make me a traitor? Hardly. In case you didn’t know, “I’d” is a contraction of “I would.” So, first you say that you would shut Moore up if you could. Then you say that, in fact, you wouldn’t even if you could, and that anyone who says you would is simply making “blithe assumptions.” Which of those statements represents your true position, and which one is a lie? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/66 "2004-06-14T06:48:12Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Can we all just agree to listen to what the other side has to say even if you personally think it’s doubleminus bad and should lock the speaker in Room 101 until they’re cured? The problem is that once you subscribe to a Democrat or Republican way of thinking you’ve already done the impossible task of taking a dump on your own head. If Brutus loved this film and Reeder hated it their arguments wouldn’t change one goddamn bit. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/67 "2004-06-14T06:58:23Z")
> [@](#): > > The freedom of speech is enshrined in the Constitution for a reason, to allow public debate about issues important to the public good. … So why can’t Brutus or Airman hold the opinion that Moore is a lying hack and should shut up? You’re not… AFRAID of them having that opinion, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/68 "2004-06-14T07:07:20Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > … So why can’t Brutus or Airman hold the opinion that Moore is a lying hack and should shut up? > > You’re not… AFRAID of them having that opinion, are you? They’re welcome to their opinions but it would be nice if they could actually name something that Moore has lied about instead of just hurling the accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/69 "2004-06-14T07:28:06Z")
> [@](#): > > **SPOOFE** : … So why can’t Brutus or Airman hold the opinion that Moore is a lying hack and should shut up? They can. They did. Are you confused? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/70 "2004-06-14T07:32:45Z")
Well as long as we’re talking about movies being distributed, dare I mention _The Passion of the Christ?_ Out of curiosity, I’m only asking for links to Pit threads about that one being shut down. SKG “officials” (among all other distributors) refused to carry it, with an “anonymous” head saying Gibson would never work for them again. So Gibson spent his own money to show it through New Market. He had a story to tell. Moore has a story to tell. Why the uproar? If Mikey believes in it, spend the coin. Oh, and I expect you Moories to decry the 1st Amendment violations of Gibson’s film being denied widespread distribution. ---
**Author:** ![cmason32](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@cmason32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmason32)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/71 "2004-06-14T07:47:51Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Oh, and I expect you Moories to decry the 1st Amendment violations of Gibson’s film being denied widespread distribution. Huh? At its peak, _The Passion of the Christ_ was playing in [3,408](http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941/numbers.php) theaters. How does that constitute being denied widespread distribution? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/72 "2004-06-14T07:49:32Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > [Here’s one of them](http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3565069&thesection=news&thesubsection=world). You can find others by doing [a simple Google search](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=michael+moore+disney&btnG=Google+Search). Um, how does a story saying Moore knew a year earlier than he said that a potential distribution deal wasn’t going to go through translate into Moore is suppressing details about his _current_ distribution deal? Further, what details of that deal beyond the ones disclosed [here](http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,9724287%255E1702,00.html) do you think are relevant? > [@](#): > > INDEPENDENT Canadian studio Lions Gate Films will distribute director Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 911 documentary film, critical of President George W. Bush, in the US. > > It would work in association with the Weinstein brothers and IFC Entertainments, the groups said late yesterday in a statement. > > Harvey and Bob Weinstein, who purchased the rights to the documentary from the Walt Disney Co, through their Fellowship Adventure Group, Lions Gate Films, and IFC Entertainments had joined to distribute Moore’s award winning documentary in US theatres beginning June 25, the statement said. > > Pay TV rights would be handled by Showtime, Lions Gate’s Pay TV partner, the statement said. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/73 "2004-06-14T07:50:37Z")
> [@](#): > > **SolGrundy** : …this kind of propaganda does nothing to promote rational thought, it simply polarizes people into an “Us vs. Them” mentality, shouting stupid labels at each other in an attempt to dismiss or undermine the other person’s entire viewpoint. Maybe some good comes of it. You re right that the stupid labels don’t help. In fact they are a poor substitute for rational debate. But if the movie is shown, we can talk about the ideas presented and whether or not the information is accurate. What is inaccurate, if anything, should be exposed. What is accurate may be of importance. But notice that it is not the _movie_ itself that has actually caused polarization here. It hasn’t even been released yet. I support the right of Michael Moore to make the film and the rights of theater owners to show it. I also support the right of people to boycott and protest through peaceful means. In my own life I have found it helpful to know the arguments from “the other side.” BTW, I have found **Airman Doors** to be generally more open-minded than many of the people that I frequently disagree with politically. Besides, he showed his true colors in service to his country not so long ago – and for that, I am grateful. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/74 "2004-06-14T07:54:22Z")
> [@cmason32](#): > > Huh? At its peak, _The Passion of the Christ_ was playing in [3,408](http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941/numbers.php) theaters. How does that constitute being denied widespread distribution? Yes, _ **once Gibson’s company distributed it!!** _ My fault for thinking you’d actually get the gist of the post. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/75 "2004-06-14T07:59:02Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Airman Doors** showed his true colors in service to his country not so long ago – and for that, I am grateful. As every American should be. Next time anyone sees a man or woman in uniform, interrupt thier day to shake thier hand and say thanks. Trust me, they’ll appreciate it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cmason32](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@cmason32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmason32)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/76 "2004-06-14T08:04:27Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Yes, _ **once Gibson’s company distributed it!!** _ > > My fault for thinking you’d actually get the gist of the post. I believe that though Icon Pictures (Gibson’s company) produced the film, it was actually [distributed](http://www.newmarketfilms.com/about.cfm) by [Newmarket Films](http://www.newmarketfilms.com/filmDetail.cfm?FID=13). Is this not correct? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/77 "2004-06-14T08:15:43Z")
> [@](#): > > **duffer** : Oh, and I expect you Moories to decry the 1st Amendment violations of Gibson’s film being denied widespread distribution. To the best of my knowledge, there were no 1st Amendment violations regarding _The Passion of Christ_. The government made no attempt to keep it from being distributed. No law requires a corporation to release a film. They probably lived to regret that they didn’t, however. It is one of the top ten highest grossing films in US history. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/78 "2004-06-14T10:00:29Z")
**Airman** et al please form an orderly queue and enter this thread with the **lies** Moore has made. An analysis of his lies in F 9/11 would be of great help as I like the vast majority of the rest of the world haven’t seen it yet 😉 > **[Michael Moore = Liar. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261449)** > > Every single time Michael Moore gets mentioned, somebody calls him a liar, propagandist, or whatever. My simple request (I haven’t seen any of his films): Tell me what he lied about. I don’t want to know what he exaggerated- I want to know what he’s... ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/79 "2004-06-14T10:21:28Z")
Moore is a parasite that leeches off the title of a great book against the expressed will its author. He didn’t even bother to return a phone call from Bradbury, a man so much greater that Moore will ever be. Bad form Moore! You can trust me on this one because I know everything: **Michael Moore is great big fat idiot.** ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/80 "2004-06-14T11:56:49Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Moore is just a jerk. If he was a poster here, I’m sure he’d get banned in no time. I doubt that. After all, **Reeder** and **Brutus** are still around. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205.md?page=5)