# Fuck you, right-wing, anti-American traitors! (the effort to stop Fahrenheit 9/11) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 14, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205 "2004-06-14T00:18:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/161 "2004-07-04T17:02:59Z")
_Farenheit 9/11_ in its first weekend is **far more profitable** than _Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban_ in its first weekend. _F911_ cost [$6 million to produce and $10 million to distribute](http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2004/FH911.php), and [grossed $23 million in its opening weekend](http://movies.yahoo.com/boxoffice/latest/rank.html), for **a return of 69%**. Compare _HPatPoA_, with [production & marketing costs of $190 million](http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2004/HPOT3.php), and an [opening weekend gross of $93 million.](http://movies.yahoo.com/boxoffice/20040604/rank.html) That’s a **net loss of 48.9%**! F911 is, so far, more profitable, by a long shot. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/162 "2004-07-04T18:28:37Z")
mhendo provided the link to [www.boxofficemojo.com](http://www.boxofficemojo.com). This is a link directly to their **F9/11** page: [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fahrenheit911.htm](http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fahrenheit911.htm) As of this posting, it’s at $50,009,000. Sat and Sun numbers will be confirmed on Monday afternoon. It hasn’t opened anywhere overseas yet, and it will do very well in other countries. It’ll make most of its money on DVD though. I know several die-hard liberals who don’t go to the theater (poor souls) and they will wait for the DVD. A large percentage of people who saw it in the theater will buy the DVD, because the movie will be longer (even MORE info, whoooo!) and there should be some great extras on it. I’ll bet a lot, including me, will buy extra copies, not to inflate the sales figures, but to give away to friends or relatives who think they aren’t interested. “hand over fist”? Yep. But that’s not why he made it, which is why he’s being easy-going about the downloading of illegal copies: > [@](#): > > [Moore: pirate my film, no problem](http://www.sundayherald.com/43167) > > Fury as Fahrenheit 9/11 director backs illegal not-for-profit downloads > By Iain S Bruce, Online Editor > > Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has welcomed the appearance on the internet of pirated copies of his anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 and claimed he is happy for anybody to download it free of charge. > > The activist, author and director told the Sunday Herald that, as long as pirated copies of his film were not being sold, he had no problem with it being downloaded. > > “I don’t agree with the copyright laws and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labour. I would oppose that,” he said. > > “I do well enough already and I made this film because I want the world, to change. The more people who see it the better, so I’m happy this is happening.” > > Moore’s views have not been well received by Hollywood’s establishment, which is fighting a war against the online pirates it claims cost the industry £1.6 billion a year in lost sales. > > Jack Valenti, the outgoing president of the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), said: “We are proud that American films continue to enjoy immense popularity around the world but the need for copyright protection in the digital age is crucial to the preservation of our most prized trade asset. > > “Piracy is having a dramatic impact on the creators and copyright owners of this nation, and its defeat depends largely on the commit ment and resolve of the entire industry. > > “File sharing causes tremendous financial loss to the movie business, untold hardship to support workers, and costs thousands of jobs.” > > Distributed via websites such as [suprnova.org](http://suprnova.org), which lays claim to having served more than 17 million downloads, Moore’s documentary critique of the Bush administration’s red, white and blue rush into war with Iraq is among the web’s hottest properties. > > Thousands of copies of Fahrenheit 9/11 have already been downloaded, each taking about 3.5 hours over a broadband connection. > > Ironically, the burgeoning underground market for Moore’s much-debated documentary has been championed by both sides of the political divide. While left-wing sites promote the film’s message, opponents of the high-profile polemicist are urging people to “steal” their copy, thus denying its director his cut of the profits. > > Last month the website of producers Lions Gate Films was subjected to a barrage of attacks by hackers, with one creating a link to a download destination on the site’s front page. > > Despite up to 150 people simultaneously bagging free copies of its most valuable property at any given time 24 hours a day, Lions Gate says it has no plans to oppose the practice. While unwilling to make any official statement likely to further provoke Hollywood’s heavy hitters, the film company appears to have fallen into line with its director’s laissez-faire approach. > > Moore said: “Is it wrong for someone who’s bought a film on DVD to let a friend watch it for free? Of course it’s not. It never has been and never will be. I think information, art and ideas should be shared.” > > Defenders of Moore’s position include Pulp Fiction director Quentin Tarantino, who earlier this year encouraged audiences in countries where his films are not legally available to obtain counterfeit copies. > > The furore engulfing Moore is just the latest in a series of controversies surrounding the film. Almost smothered by original production company Miramax’s refusal to distribute the final cut, he also this year launched an unsuccessful legal attempt to overturn the MPAA’s decision to give the documentary an “R” rating, which barred under-16s from seeing the movie without an adult. > > Opposed by Move America Forward, a conservative group set up to dissuade cinemas from showing the film, Fahrenheit 9/11 has become one of the most controversial productions in Hollywood history. Last month Australian distributors Hopscotch Films claimed to have received e-mails warning that if the company went ahead with its planned release of the movie, it would do so “at our own peril”. > > The hubbub is unlikely to subside any time soon. With Lions Gate reporting that DVD rights are likely to be won by Disney-owned Buena Vista Home Entertainment, many commentators believe the digital distribution network may yet face serious opposition. > > Valenti said: “Nobody can allow their rights to be stolen because, if you can’t retrieve your investment, you’re out of the movie business, > > “I don’t think there’s really a single actor or director in the world who does not believe that if you don’t combat piracy, it will devour you in the future.” > > 04 July 2004 ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/163 "2004-07-04T21:58:56Z")
Accordingto _Time_ magazine, which will surely piss off its conservative readers by placing Moore on the cover of next week’s issue, Miramax is now predicting **F911** will reach $100 million in the first three weeks. Also from said article, Moore suggests using the movie as a “date flick”: > [@](#): > > (“That’s a good idea,” Moore says, “especially if it’s a first date, because you’ll have plenty to talk about. And also you can vet the date. You’ll know right away if you should have a second date.”) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![laigle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@laigle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/laigle)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/164 "2004-07-04T22:33:55Z")
The date thing isn’t a bad idea. And I’d say it works either way, when the drivelling Bushiviks are looking for someone to infest with their brood, they can take them there and see if they go catatonic and start muttering “Torgo not like! Torgo brain hurt when Torgo think!” ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/165 "2004-07-05T19:52:34Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > [WHO PAYS THE BILLS FOR “MOVEAMERICAFORWARD.ORG”](http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/russo.html)? A PR firm. Who pays the PR firm? > > Fuckers. And why wouldn’t anyone with at least two functioning brain cells be against F911? [http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm](http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205/166 "2004-07-05T20:07:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And why wouldn’t anyone with at least two functioning brain cells be against F911? > > [http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm](http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm) What an in-depth contribution to the thread–a link to some other guy’s ranting. Do you actually have an opinion of your own, or are you not old enough or smart enough to have one yet? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-right-wing-anti-american-traitors-the-effort-to-stop-fahrenheit-9-11/250205.md?page=8)