# Fuck you rjung...oh, and you too gonzomax **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2006, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759 "2006-08-15T02:38:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/1 "2006-08-15T02:38:26Z")
I don’t usually do pit threads. I’m not sure, but I don’t think I’ve EVER actually pitted an individual on the board…just a few companies or neighbors who pissed me off in the past. But…well, I’m sick of this shit coming out of both of these foin fellows. In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=383468) thread, rjung once again does his standard drive by bullshit: > [@rjung](#): > > Yeah, but you also think Bush is doing a heckuva job and that the Iraq war is not an unmitigated fiasco, so your BS meter is clearly busted… Now, I don’t give a flying fuck if you think I’m a closet Bush supporter or not. I don’t think I’ve been shy in my criticism of Bush and his fucked up bunch, but thats neither here nor there. What the FUCK does this have to do with my statement in the thread? Are you trying to say that you think the whole thing is bullshit…because you think I’m a closet Bush supporter? If not…well, what the fuck does it have to do with the price of tea in china you putz? As for gonzomax, I’ll just insert the latest in the little gems he has seen fit to call ‘debate’ from this thread: > [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conte...s/060821fa\_fact](http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conte...s/060821fa_fact) Written by Jewish Pulitzer prize winner. long My reply: > [@](#): > > I think EVERY day is driveby link day for this guy (Red NORMALLY at leasts makes the effort to quote what he thinks is the relevant parts). He seems to think that one should simply post a link and then hope that people will read the link and be able to tease out what the hell was his point…and that THIS is engagement in debate. Then he gets hurt feelings and looks around in obvious puzzlement when people tell him he isn’t doing so. C’est la vie. And his brilliant come back: > [@gonzomax](#): > > What is a drive by link. Oh wait it is a way to say my posts have less value than yours which are probably a walk by poster. It wouldnt be childishly poisoning the well .It wouldn’t fit in with insults and slurs. No it is so smug and childish. Growup. Um…yeah. Right. Now, this isn’t an isolated incident. I think all of us, from time to time, post a link without bothering to detail what exactly we expect the other 'dopers to get out of it, or to give our thoughts. I’m as guilty as the next person of doing this. But EVERY FUCKING LINK THIS ASS HAS POSTED IS LIKE THIS! I don’t believe this putz has YET to quote what he thinks are the important bits, nor to give his thoughts on WHY the fuck he’s even posting the things. Anyway, I just wanted to get this stuff off my chest as I’m probably skating on thin ice right now with the mods for losing my temper in GD…and frankly I love this place too much to risk getting the boot myself. In the tradition of someone pitting someone else on the 'dope I’m sure this will all get turned around and I’LL be the one getting blasted. But what the hell, I feel better already. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/2 "2006-08-15T03:07:56Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Now, this isn’t an isolated incident. I think all of us, from time to time, post a link without bothering to detail what exactly we expect the other 'dopers to get out of it, or to give our thoughts. I’m as guilty as the next person of doing this. I’ve never done that. I don’t even understand the impulse to do that. As far as I’m concerned, people who do that are most likely great big morons. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/3 "2006-08-15T03:10:59Z")
Well, I’m just covering the bases just in case. I don’t REMEMBER doing that either Excalibre, but if I say so then some wise ass will do a search and find the one instance where I DID… 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/4 "2006-08-15T03:12:11Z")
Although, I’ve regarded you in the past as defending Bush and the Republicans as a default position, I did notice that you had described the Republicans as full of shit on the issue of the Lamont victory and terrorism, if I recall correctly. So, such a charge may not be warranted. Anymore. Sorry, that feels a bit tepid - I’m just trying to say you deserve some props. By the way, there’s no I in team, and no you in “regardless.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/5 "2006-08-15T03:16:10Z")
Well thank you Hentor…I appreciate that. As for my spelling…well, THAT at least has gotten no better, to be sure. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/6 "2006-08-15T03:17:39Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, I’m just covering the bases just in case. I don’t REMEMBER doing that either Excalibre, but if I say so then some wise ass will do a search and find the one instance where I DID… > > 😛 > > -XT 🙂 Fair 'nuff. Incidentally, what I’ve seen suggests that you’re not a reflexive Bush supporter, so I’d say that criticism is likely unfounded. I’ve never been able to figure out your politics - they don’t seem to conform to either major party. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/7 "2006-08-15T03:19:55Z")
They don’t…I’m not IN either major party to be honest. I guess I’m sort of a quasi-libertarian isolationist. I’m registered as an Independent FWIW… -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/8 "2006-08-15T03:26:12Z")
I was wrong btw…I actually DID do a pit thread on an individual in the past. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=308060&highlight=xtisme) it is if anyone is interested…and a more deserving pit (though lamely executed…I’m no pitter) was never done IMHO. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/9 "2006-08-15T06:36:50Z")
If anyone is interested, some more pearls of wisdom from good ole gonzomax… > [@](#): > > poisoning the well-adverse information about someone pre emptively given for intention of discrediting what person says/ > Drive by poster-someone who doesnt think things out and just haphazardly posts them. > When you refer to me as a drive by you are telling people not to place value on what I say. It is a perfect usage. > [@](#): > > The jewish part was not for you. If someone took thre time to read it they might have thought he was possibly anti semetic. It was for them. -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/10 "2006-08-15T07:37:38Z")
:smack: … :smack: :smack: :smack: Since this thread has turned into my own rant fest (no one seems terribly interested 😛 ), I’ll use it to give my thoughts on the latest gonzomax gems (the other thread is dead as well, since gonzo is just babbling to himself it looks like to me)… > [@gonzomax](#): > > No light penetrates the black hole you live in. You know it all and are way beyond learning. There is no other side. > The argument that Israel only kills civilians because the rockets are in neighborhoods in rediculous. If the rockets were in a military base. And Israel owns the skies and can bomb at will. What would happen to them . Let me think about it. > Their rockets wouldn’t last 24 hours. WTF does this even mean? Is it in code? > [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1400362\_pf.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1400362_pf.html) nAnother thought against preconceptions. Yet another drive by link. From this one I suppose I’m supposed to figure something out about the US, and my ‘preconceptions’ about Iranian’s helping out Shi’ite Iraqi’s in the fight. Or, er, something. > [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://news.independent.co.uk/world...icle1219280.ece](http://news.independent.co.uk/world...icle1219280.ece) Israeli view. This one is about the opposition party in Israel blasting the party in power over its failures in the war. :smack: And about how the Israeli people are unhappy because they don’t feel their army achieved its goals (due mostly to the fact that MOST Israeli’s don’t think this ceasefire is worth the powder to blow it to hell…but I dinna think gonzo is getting at that). No idea WTF he THINKS this means, as again, its a driveby link with no quotes, no explaination…typical. > [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage...1844811,00.html](http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage...1844811,00.html) Lebonese view. This is one where the Lebanese return to their burned out homes and jump for joy over the great Hezbollah victory. Of them all I suppose this one is the easiest to puzzle out what the fuck he’s getting at…obviously Hezbollah won the war! Or something… :smack: … :smack: :smack: :smack: -XT ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/11 "2006-08-15T07:49:38Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > 🙂 Fair 'nuff. > > Incidentally, what I’ve seen suggests that you’re not a reflexive Bush supporter, so I’d say that criticism is likely unfounded. I’ve never been able to figure out your politics - they don’t seem to conform to either major party. Have you ever been able to figure out mine? I get painted on these boards all the time as something of a Republican/Bush apologist, even though I have never voted for anyone named Bush. I make no bones about being a Democrat, although if you want to force me into a political mold perhaps the best fit would be as someone who believes like Barry Goldwater did or maybe as a “Rockefeller Republican”. I’m curious as to how you see me, and why. I know this is a hijack, but, like I said, I’m curious. Indulge me? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/12 "2006-08-15T07:55:27Z")
And just as a tip of the hat back to the OP, “Fuck You Rjung” strikes me as an eminently logical position to hold. Has that guy EVER contributed anything of substance to a political debate? Christ, I don’t believe that people with mental deficiencies should be institutionalized, but he tasks that daily. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/13 "2006-08-15T08:00:38Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Have you ever been able to figure out mine? I get painted on these boards all the time as something of a Republican/Bush apologist, even though I have never voted for anyone named Bush. I make no bones about being a Democrat, although if you want to force me into a political mold perhaps the best fit would be as someone who believes like Barry Goldwater did or maybe as a “Rockefeller Republican”. I’m curious as to how you see me, and why. I know this is a hijack, but, like I said, I’m curious. Indulge me? You may not have voted for Bush, but “Bush apologist” is certainly a fair enough label, as you’ve supported the misguided Iraq War with all the zeal of Condi Rice when Bush leans close to her and her panties start to get all moist. You were also quite the dick to me recently, so I’m not as inclined to overlook your servile attitude in regard to Bush’s massive Middle East fuckup as I used to be. But maybe the emphasis should be on the servile bit and not on the political leanings. Aw, shit, a little search reveals that I said nice things about you on several occasions. Live and learn, eh? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/14 "2006-08-15T08:37:57Z")
I’m glad you started this thread **xtisme** , I’ve been frustrated with this guy, but didn’t want to spend the effort to write my own OP in the Pit. I’m not even sure what his damage is. As I see it, there are two possibilities. [ol] [li]He is so stupid that he’s virtually guaranteed to win the Anti-Doper 2006 award. I mean, painfully stupid. Dumber than anybody I’ve ever seen posting anything, anywhere. Ever. [/li][li]He’s a troll and a spammer. He knows exactly what he’s doing, and gets sick satisfaction from shitting all over a thread and disrupting debate. He enjoys deliberately ignoring what people say, and changes the subject in order to find another way to try to troll a thread rather than debating. Then he whines that his views aren’t being taken seriously. [/li][/ol] I’m really not sure what the answer is, it may be a combination. Perhaps, for instance, he’s a very stupid troll . The upside is that he’s made other people’s contributions to the recent spate of threads (people who I’m not going to name), look _good_ in comparison. Alrighty, I think I’m about done venting. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/15 "2006-08-15T08:41:59Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > You may not have voted for Bush, but “Bush apologist” is certainly a fair enough label, as you’ve supported the misguided Iraq War with all the zeal of Condi Rice when Bush leans close to her and her panties start to get all moist. You were also quite the dick to me recently, so I’m not as inclined to overlook your servile attitude in regard to Bush’s massive Middle East fuckup as I used to be. But maybe the emphasis should be on the servile bit and not on the political leanings. Aw, shit, a little search reveals that I said nice things about you on several occasions. Live and learn, eh? OK, why? I think the war in Iraq was a necessary thing. I think it could turn out to be the turning point in a proactive response to Islamic terrorism, but I have real issues with how it has been pursued. I also realize that it could turn out to be one of the worst foreign policy fuck ups in the last 100 years. Time will tell the tale there. I think (hope, believe, etc…) that 20 years down the line the invasion of Iraq will prove to be the catalyst for real stability in that region. It might also be the match that ultimately winds up lighting the fuse of unparalleled destruction. I don’t know. You don’t know. I think the initial course of action was right, but I’m not so sure of the execution. Time will tell, and I’ve always taken the long view of the war. I think of in the context of decades. > [@](#): > > You were also quite the dick to me recently That’s quite possible. I CAN be a dick on these boards. It gets me in trouble. I have the weakness of having the complete ability to separate who I am from the positions I argue here. I have a magnificent wife and two wonderful kids in my real life. I am eminently satisfied with my life. But… If I was a dick, I apologize. You’re one of the good ones on this message board and i apologize for offending you. Hell, I like you. Still, would you please lay out my politics. I’ll be fascinated to read it. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/16 "2006-08-15T08:58:56Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Since this thread has turned into my own rant fest (no one seems terribly interested 😛 )… It’s not that nobody is interested, it’s that it has been done over and over again, usually by me. Nobody feels like kicking at the puppy anymore because it effects no changes and has really just started to feel cruel and pointless. Just as **Der Trihs** knows nothing but “America/religion sucks”, **rjung** has habitually posted “Bush sucks” in every possible thread, usually with some sort of smiley to attempt to indicate that he’s trying to make some sort of joke, even when the thread has nothing to do with Bush. Now that you know that there is no substance you can simply ignore it. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/17 "2006-08-15T13:11:47Z")
There are some days when I’m really glad I’ve logged on to the SDMB. > [@Excalibre](#): > > the zeal of Condi Rice when Bush leans close to her and her panties start to get all moist. Today is not one of those days. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/18 "2006-08-15T13:44:32Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > It’s not that nobody is interested, it’s that it has been done over and over again, usually by me. Nobody feels like kicking at the puppy anymore because it effects no changes and has really just started to feel cruel and pointless. Puppy? His on-line persona is more like a gnat-- small and annoying. Too bad we don’t have the electronic version of a fly swatter. Smack!!! ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/19 "2006-08-15T13:56:22Z")
[QUOTE=FinnAgain] [li]He is so stupid that he’s virtually guaranteed to win the Anti-Doper 2006 award. I mean, painfully stupid. Dumber than anybody I’ve ever seen posting anything, anywhere. Ever.[/li][/QUOTE] Are we talking **rjung** or **gonzomax**? Because while there’s no way in heck I’ll defend any of rjung’s partisan bullcrap, I’ve been pleasantly astonished to read some of his contributions in religious and artsey threads. They suggested to me that no, he most definately is not stupid. Of course, instead of this letting him off the hook, it in fact casts more ridicule on his political hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2006, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759/20 "2006-08-15T14:15:18Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Are we talking **rjung** or **gonzomax**? Because while there’s no way in heck I’ll defend any of rjung’s partisan bullcrap, I’ve been pleasantly astonished to read some of his contributions in religious and artsey threads. They suggested to me that no, he most definately is not stupid. Of course, instead of this letting him off the hook, it in fact casts more ridicule on his political hyperbole. rjung is partisan as all hell, and I used to dismiss him as just another Bush-basher, but even if he posts quite a lot of one-liners about Dubya, rjung does sometimes post something substantial. I apologized to him once for characterizing him as a mindless partisan, because even if he gets that way some of the time, he’s also quite often thoughtful and interesting. I don’t think he deserves straight-up dismissal. > [@tdn](#): > > There are some days when I’m really glad I’ve logged on to the SDMB. > Today is not one of those days. She’s the Secretary of State. I think the condition of her panties is a matter of national interest. What kind of panties do you think Condoleezza Rice wears? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rjung-oh-and-you-too-gonzomax/368759.md?page=2)