# Fuck You Roosh Valizadeh, right up the old Wazoo. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082 "2016-02-03T19:22:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/21 "2016-02-05T02:39:49Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Unfortunately confidence building is one of the big parts of his workshop, so yeah some of them do go out there and try to act like PUA. The operative word there is “try” though. Probably the first time a female looks their direction, the shit literally starts flying and they’ve got to scurry back to safety. I won’t speculate if that’s mom’s basement or not. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/22 "2016-02-05T03:03:10Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Even snopes gets it wrong, he’s not an MRA but a PUA. Two different terms for the same type of asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/23 "2016-02-05T06:39:17Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Even snopes gets it wrong, he’s not an MRA but a PUA. > > I don’t have a high opinion of PUAs and I know that all of the rage directed at this guy is because “he wants to make rape legal”. Out of curiosity yesterday I read the blog post where he says this it’s one giant tongue and cheek mockery of rape culture theory, every aspect of it and at the end he makes the claim about making rape legal on private property so women would be more careful, to help them out. More or less, it’s all ridiculous and when it’s read in its context you know it’s a giant /s post. > > But next to statistics, I guess comprehensive reading is another thing SJW can’t do very well. But they get an A+ for getting the hate wagon rolling on this guy though despite the truth. > > Worst case scenario, he’s a slimy guy that puts himself first before anyone else, loves getting laid, and trades tips with other PUAs on how to get laid, and put themselves first. Don’t worry though I’m pretty sure they’re not using actually wizardy to cast spells on women to get them into the sacl. Women still have their agency intact when encountering them, and can make adult sober decisions all on their own. A link to the “tongue-in-cheek” blog post would be wonderful, so I can judge for myself whether he manages to pull off satire at the what would seem to be “A Modest Proposal” level. Oddly, I’m guessing not. I’m also inferring from your remarks that objecting to Roosh’s sliminess somehow qualifies one for membership in the “SJW” club. The horror! Still, despite the pain caused by your slur, I will soldier on with my objection to the idea that making rape legal helps women. I look forward to reading the satire for myself, however. If Swift can make eating babies sound logical, perhaps your hero Roosh can do the same for rape. Strange that no one else seems to have noticed his satirical intent… ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/24 "2016-02-05T07:08:10Z")
Here is the article so you can judge for yourself. [http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape](http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape) He’s a clever troll, he knows what to say to cause maximum outrage and then worms his way back to claim thats not what he meant. Stop giving him attention. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/25 "2016-02-05T11:29:15Z")
Yeah, goodness. He’s just saying date rape isn’t real and is the woman’s fault. Don’t overreact! This guy is a real peach: > [@](#): > > For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence. Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating. > [@](#): > > If you end up having a daughter of your own, I highly recommend you limit her financial independence before she finds a husband. Refrain from giving her Think & Grow Rich advice that would be better suited for your son. Otherwise, she’ll become a slut who gives it up to any man who dances a good clown jig. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/26 "2016-02-05T11:42:26Z")
Clown jig? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/27 "2016-02-05T14:11:05Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > This guy is a professional troll pure and simple. He’s figured out he can make money by making the most outrageous statements, lapping up the publicity then using that to suck in pathetic losers who can’t get laid to his workshops. > > Stop giving him attention, stop posting about him on social media, you’re only helping him. Precisely. The guy never planned to actually attend his own rally. I’d be surprised if he bothered to arrange a hotel room. His plan was to get attention so more of his books would sell, and that’s it. Mission accomplished. People took the bait, and now he’ll sell more books and make more money. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/28 "2016-02-06T02:13:37Z")
n/a ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/29 "2016-02-06T02:41:50Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Precisely. > > The guy never planned to actually attend his own rally. I’d be surprised if he bothered to arrange a hotel room. His plan was to get attention so more of his books would sell, and that’s it. > > Mission accomplished. People took the bait, and now he’ll sell more books and make more money. Trolling is weaponized these days. Trolls can cause real life pain and suffering. > [@ddsun](#): > > A link to the “tongue-in-cheek” blog post would be wonderful, so I can judge for myself whether he manages to pull off satire at the what would seem to be “A Modest Proposal” level. Oddly, I’m guessing not. It’s not true. Or rather, that’s what he’s claiming now, but he only put that satire notice up a few days when the post started attracting a lot of attention. It doesn’t make sense though. Swift wasn’t really arguing that we should eat babies. This guy regularly encourages his readers to ignore consent. You can read more about him here - > **[What you need to know about Roosh V, the pickup artist holding meetups in 43...](https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/02/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-roosh-v-the-pickup-artist-holding-meetups-in-43-countries-this-saturday/)** > > UPDATE: Roosh has announced that he is cancelling all the meetups. For more see my post here. Roosh Valizadeh may be getting exactly what he wants. The scuzzball pickup artist and would-be philosop… And a specific response to the legalize rape piece - > **[Pickup guru Roosh V: End rape by making it legal](https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/17/pickup-guru-roosh-v-end-rape-by-making-it-legal/)** > > “Game” guru Roosh Valizadeh is tired of hearing that “men can stop rape.” As far as he’s concerned, the problem isn’t men — who already know that rape is b… We Hunted the Mammoth is a site devoted to documenting misogyny. Lots of good and/or depressing stuff, there. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/30 "2016-02-06T03:03:08Z")
I read some of those links. UGH. One had excerpts from some of his Bang books, including “No means no…until it means yes.” Yeah, I am not buying the “satire” thing. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/31 "2016-02-06T03:09:44Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The guy never planned to actually attend his own rally. What exactly was supposed to happen at this rally, anyway? What were they supposedly going to do? March around with signs saying, “Legalize rape”? ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/32 "2016-02-06T03:11:09Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Yeah, goodness. He’s just saying date rape isn’t real and is the woman’s fault. Don’t overreact! For sure you should react. But the effective reaction is to deny him an outlet. Lobby Amazon not to carry his book. If he announces a workshop, lobby the venue to cancel his booking. Contact his hosting company and ask them to remove his website. All those things might work, but posting about how outrageous he is on social media is just helping him. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/33 "2016-02-06T03:19:50Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > For sure you should react. But the effective reaction is to deny him an outlet. Lobby Amazon not to carry his book. If he announces a workshop, lobby the venue to cancel his booking. Contact his hosting company and ask them to remove his website. All those things might work, but posting about how outrageous he is on social media is just helping him. Except, if it weren’t for social media, I’d have never heard of him. So if I’d heard that the local Rotary club is having a speech by some guy named Roosh Valizadeh, I wouldn’t know to lobby the Rotarians to cancel. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/34 "2016-02-06T07:17:34Z")
Ok fair point. But if you want do something constructive instead of just pitting him, here’s the hosting company for [Returnofkings.com](http://Returnofkings.com). Use the contact form at the bottom of the page. I’m sure if enough people complain about the site they’d consider denying him hosting. Also, his website seems to be under intermittent denial of service attacks, it times out for me half the time. Thats a pain for the hosting company, they’d probably be glad to get rid of him. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/35 "2016-02-06T10:27:12Z")
I’m not saying people should spend a lot of time in Twitter Wars. I don’t, either, personally. But the answer to hate speech is more speech. Letting hate speech go unremarked is part of the problem, not the solution. It just lets the haters and their supporters define the narrative. Also - your suggestion is perilously close to harassment. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/36 "2016-02-06T17:44:19Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Ok fair point. But if you want do something constructive instead of just pitting him, here’s the hosting company for Returnofkings. Use the contact form at the bottom of the page. I’m sure if enough people complain about the site they’d consider denying him hosting. > > Also, his website seems to be under intermittent denial of service attacks, it times out for me half the time. Thats a pain for the hosting company, they’d probably be glad to get rid of him. [Moderating] As it happens, we have a rule against using the board to organize protests or campaigns. I’ve removed the link in your post. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/37 "2016-02-07T14:02:57Z")
Sidebar, please. PUA? MRA? SJW? Just to help me follow the niceties of this rant. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/38 "2016-02-07T14:12:57Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > PUA? > > MRA? > > SJW? [Pick Up Artist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community#Pickup_artist) [Men’s Rights Activist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement) [Social Justice Warrior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Justice_Warrior) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/39 "2016-02-07T14:20:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Sidebar, please. > > PUA? > > MRA? > > SJW? > > Just to help me follow the niceties of this rant. PUA : Pick Up Artist, slimy creep who thinks woman are video games and they have the “cheat codes”. MRA: Men Rights Activist, mostly deluded fools who think power relations in current society are skewed to favor women… SJW: Social Justice Warrior, decent person. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082/40 "2016-02-07T15:39:41Z")
PUA and MRA are terms generally used by people to describe themselves. SJW is most often used as a sneering insult. The opinions of anyone who uses it can be dismissed entirely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-roosh-valizadeh-right-up-the-old-wazoo/745082.md?page=3)