# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/221 "2015-09-01T15:09:05Z")
Considering this is Kentucky we are talking about, what are the odds the Legislature would have the balls to remove her from office if they were in session? Something tells that is not very likely. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/222 "2015-09-01T15:27:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It would get her the fuck out of the way until she _could_ be fired. I would settle for that, and I’m sure the couple that kept getting refused by her would settle for it. The couple has said that they only want fines, no jail time for her. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/223 "2015-09-01T15:32:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So, and I realize you are not necessarily familiar with Kentucky’s laws and statutes, but if instead of refusing to issue marriage licenses, she had hit her head and were in a coma, Rowan County would be up shit creek re: marriage licenses? Or if she killed a man and was on the lam in the backwoods of KY? There’s no auxiliary process for getting marriage licenses or whatever else the clerk’s office does when the Clerk is incapable of or unwilling to do their job and the legislature is out of session barring a request from the governor? Presumably there are other people in the office who could fill in during an absense. But she’s not absent. She’s there, giving orders to her staff not to obey the law either. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/224 "2015-09-01T15:34:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > It’s the only thing that can be done to remove her from office, which is what **Bo** was obviously talking about (or would be if you hadn’t snipped out part of his post). If she’s in a jail cell then she has literally been removed from office, and she won’t be doing her job from her cell. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/225 "2015-09-01T15:36:51Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So, and I realize you are not necessarily familiar with Kentucky’s laws and statutes, but if instead of refusing to issue marriage licenses, she had hit her head and were in a coma, Rowan County would be up shit creek re: marriage licenses? Or if she killed a man and was on the lam in the backwoods of KY? There’s no auxiliary process for getting marriage licenses or whatever else the clerk’s office does when the Clerk is incapable of or unwilling to do their job and the legislature is out of session barring a request from the governor? That’s a good question, actually. Davis’ attorneys have been claiming that the Kentucky statutes require her to personally sign each marriage license, but in fact that’s [not true](http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=36475): [QUOTE=KRS 402.100] Each county clerk shall use the form prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives when issuing a marriage license. This form shall provide for the entering of all of the information required in this section, and may also provide for the entering of additional information prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives. The form shall consist of: (1) A marriage license which provides for the entering of: \ (c) The date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk **or deputy clerk** issuing the license. [/QUOTE] So any of her underlings can sign in her stead. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/226 "2015-09-01T15:38:41Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > IMO this means no punishment at all. She’ll raise enough cash from fundamentalist supporters to pay any conceivable fine. At least jail will get her attention. > > Now that I’ve learned that it’s very possible she’s committed a crime, and is continuing to commit them daily, I think it’s important she be charged and convicted. Is that true, though? I mean Zimmerman got a few hundred thousand, not millions. Same for Darren Wilson. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/227 "2015-09-01T15:40:13Z")
That pizza shop in Indiana can pay all her court costs. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/228 "2015-09-01T15:41:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That’s a good question, actually. > > Davis’ attorneys have been claiming that the Kentucky statutes require her to personally sign each marriage license, but in fact that’s [not true](http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=36475): > > So any of her underlings can sign in her stead. Do these small counties have deputy clerks? I’m sure they do in Louisville and Lexington, but some of these towns in Eastern Kentucky are pretty small. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/229 "2015-09-01T15:43:20Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Do these small counties have deputy clerks? I read in this or another thread that her son is her deputy clerk. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/230 "2015-09-01T15:46:57Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I believe the deputy clerk is her son. And the prior clerk was her mother. They seem to have a little dynasty going on there. [And her brother is the clerk over in Casey County](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-kentucky-clerk-refuses-grant-license-33355677) who was ordered to either issue marriage licenses or quit. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/231 "2015-09-01T15:47:49Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Do these small counties have deputy clerks? I’m sure they do in Louisville and Lexington, but some of these towns in Eastern Kentucky are pretty small. She has at least one, her son. Some of the earlier reports indicate there is also a female deputy clerk there (she was the one who initially refused to issue a license, presumably on Davis’ orders). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/232 "2015-09-01T15:48:34Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I read in this or another thread that her son is her deputy clerk. Heh. Interesting simulpost. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/233 "2015-09-01T15:50:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So any of her underlings can sign in her stead. OTOH, I’d bet that, unlike Ms. Davis, those underlings CAN have their asses fired, by her. I’m thinking a judge needs to throw her in the clink, and note to the underlings that they can also be arrested for violating a court order. You can keep throwing people in jail until you find an employee who isn’t willing to get arrested over this particular topic. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/234 "2015-09-01T15:55:49Z")
Thank you for looking that up, RNATB. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/235 "2015-09-01T15:58:42Z")
Sadly, this bitch is probably a hero to most people in Kentucky. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/236 "2015-09-01T16:05:11Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > OTOH, I’d bet that, unlike Ms. Davis, those underlings CAN have their asses fired, by her. > > I’m thinking a judge needs to throw her in the clink, and note to the underlings that they can also be arrested for violating a court order. You can keep throwing people in jail until you find an employee who isn’t willing to get arrested over this particular topic. I agree, that’s what needs to happen. I just wonder how many people they’ll go through, though. Seems like everybody in that office is a relative of the woman, or at least thinks she’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/237 "2015-09-01T16:11:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Thank you for looking that up, RNATB. No problem. It sounded fishy to me that the clerk would be personally required to sign each license, since they must be issuing hundreds per day in urban counties. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/238 "2015-09-01T16:14:12Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > I agree, that’s what needs to happen. I just wonder how many people they’ll go through, though. Seems like everybody in that office is a relative of the woman, or at least thinks she’s right. That’s only because nothing of consequence has happened to her. See how loyal they stay when the shit hits the fan. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/239 "2015-09-01T16:37:47Z")
[Judge Bunning has ordered not just Mrs Davis but her entire staff to face the court at 11am Thursday (3 September)](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GAY_MARRIAGE_KENTUCKY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-09-01-12-31-36). Hooooboy is THAT gonna be fun to read about! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/240 "2015-09-01T16:42:25Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > If she’s in a jail cell then she has literally been removed from office, and she won’t be doing her job from her cell. Not at all true. Being in jail does not necessarily vacate an elected office. Feel free to cite Kentucky law that backs up your assertion, tho. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757.md?page=13)