# Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757 "2015-08-13T18:09:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/361 "2015-09-02T16:53:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > My stance on SS marriage here is irrelevant. If it isn’t that, then it’s \*something \*that makes you think the situation is more nuanced or a “pickle” than it is. > [@](#): > > Where we differ: > > A) I do not think someone should be forced to act in conflict with their religious convictions or go to jail. You differ from no one on that. Because nobody is saying it. > [@](#): > > B) I do not think it is immaterial that she was able to perform the duties of her job at the time of her taking the oath. It’s an elected position, not a lifetime sinecure. It is not cruel and unusual punishment to lose it. > [@](#): > > What is immaterial is \*\*Steve MB’\*\*s point about SSM becoming legal was on the horizon at the time of her oath. It was not part of the duties at the time. It was obviously about to become so, and she and even you knew it at the time she ran for the office. You can claim it to be immaterial rather than admit it makes whatever the hell you’re trying to claim laughably invalid, but we all know better, including you. > [@](#): > > Hope that clears things up. Nothing could clear you up, could it? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/362 "2015-09-02T16:55:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > A) I do not think someone should be forced to act in conflict with their religious convictions or go to You leave out the third option - she could resign and find a job that doesn’t require her to violate her beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/363 "2015-09-02T16:56:10Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Just heard on the radio news that if she does not comply by the end of today she will face “sanctions”. They did not specify what “sanctions” meant. We’ll put a naval blockade on her house, declare a no-fly zone and seize her bank accounts and properties. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/364 "2015-09-02T16:56:48Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > We’ll put a naval blockade on her house, declare a no-fly zone and seize her bank accounts and properties. But can the rest of us still buy cigars from her without getting in trouble? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/365 "2015-09-02T16:58:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You leave out the third option - she could resign and find a job that doesn’t require her to violate her beliefs. I did mention it: > [@](#): > > If she feels she can’t—for whatever reason—let her resign or be removed from her job. I wish she would just do this as it is the easiest and quickest solution. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/366 "2015-09-02T16:58:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This makes me uncomfortable. It would be the state punishing her for her religious beliefs. No. She is being threatened with punishment for allowing her personal prejudices interfere with her job while she hypocritically cries “Religion!” If her religious beliefs played a role in her job performance, she would not issue marriage licences to couples when one or both had divorced–to say nothing of her refraining from divorce and remarriage, herself. Jesus explicitly condemned divorce. Jesus explicitly declared that marriage after divorce was adultery. Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality. Thousands of Christian and Jewish clerks are issuing marriage licenses throughout the country without failing their religious beliefs and, (for those offended), with nothing worse than some under-their-breath muttering. She is simply ecstatic over the publicity she is getting and is milking her fifteen minutes of fame for all that it is worth. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/367 "2015-09-02T17:01:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > \*\* > It was obviously about to become so\*\*, and she and even you knew it at the time she ran for the office. You can claim it to be immaterial rather than admit it makes whatever the hell you’re trying to claim laughably invalid, but we all know better, including you. I wonder if that was part of her motivation to run. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/368 "2015-09-02T17:02:21Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s an elected position, not a lifetime sinecure. It is not cruel and unusual punishment to lose it. Reread what I wrote. I’m fine with her losing the position. I think she _should_ either resign or be removed. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It was obviously about to become so,… Immaterial. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/369 "2015-09-02T17:09:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > No. She is being threatened with punishment for allowing her personal prejudices interfere with her job while she hypocritically cries “Religion!” > > If her religious beliefs played a role in her job performance, she would not issue marriage licences to couples when one or both had divorced–to say nothing of her refraining from divorce and remarriage, herself. Jesus explicitly condemned divorce. Jesus explicitly declared that marriage after divorce was adultery. Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality. > Thousands of Christian and Jewish clerks are issuing marriage licenses throughout the country without failing their religious beliefs and, (for those offended), with nothing worse than some under-their-breath muttering. She is simply ecstatic over the publicity she is getting and is milking her fifteen minutes of fame for all that it is worth. Her personal _religious_ prejudices. (Not that it really matters, see _Conscientious Objection_). And I didn’t know that you were of the mind that person cannot have strong religious convictions unless they are a perfect, for example, Christian. Also, are you of the mind that just because many Christians have been divorced or do not have a problem with divorce, that no Christian can have a legitimate problem with it? I’m really not sure what you’re argument is, I think she should have immediately resigned. Not having done so, I’m all for having her removed from the position. As far as her being ecstatic about the attention, all the more reason to find a way to remove her ASAP. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/370 "2015-09-02T17:18:44Z")
Conscientious objection gets you out of mandatory armed service. It doesn’t mean the volunteer Army will find you a job if it doesn’t have any need for unarmed personnel. In other words, that is only relevant insofar as Davis is compelled to be Rowan County Clerk. As far as I can tell she is free to leave the position whenever she likes. You seem to agree, so I’m not entirely sure what your argument is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/371 "2015-09-02T17:22:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I wonder if that was part of her motivation to run. I would certainly think so. > [@magellan01](#): > > Reread what I wrote. I’m fine with her losing the position. I think she _should_ either resign or be removed. But you anguish over it, for reasons best known to yourself, if to anyone at all. > [@](#): > > Immaterial. You can say that all you want but it would only make you wronger. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/372 "2015-09-02T17:23:32Z")
[I think Dan Savage has an interesting take on it:](http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/09/01/22793219/i-suppose-i-should-say-something-about-kim-davis) that she is doing this to get on the right-wing lecture circuit, with perhaps a ghost-written book thrown into the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/373 "2015-09-02T17:23:36Z")
If she goes to jail, it’s because she violated the law; specifically, by ignoring repeated court orders enjoining her compliance. Her religious beliefs may have required that, but that’s not the same as saying she’s being sent to jail for her beliefs. It seems that no one really wants to send her to the pokey, if only to deny her fundy supporters a powerful image for their persecution narrative. But I’m beginning to think it’s the only way to get through to her. Her backers can raise money to pay her fines, but they can’t sit in a cell for her. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/374 "2015-09-02T17:26:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Her personal _religious_ prejudices. (Not that it really matters, see _Conscientious Objection_). And I didn’t know that you were of the mind that person cannot have strong religious convictions unless they are a perfect, for example, Christian. Also, are you of the mind that just because many Christians have been divorced or do not have a problem with divorce, that no Christian can have a legitimate problem with it? > > I’m really not sure what you’re argument is, I think she should have immediately resigned. Not having done so, I’m all for having her removed from the position. As far as her being ecstatic about the attention, all the more reason to find a way to remove her ASAP. She has no reason to believe everyone applying for a marriage license is a Christian, or a Christian with her particular views. While it may be against her religious convictions to get gay married, I don’t see how it can be against her religion to allow people with different beliefs to do what they want to do. I don’t believe that person who keeps kosher gives a damn about what I eat. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/375 "2015-09-02T17:30:17Z")
Another clerk says he’ll die to defend traditional marriage–and…what? Become a martyr? Or just another dead person? > **[Kentucky Clerk Says He May Die Fighting Gay Marriage | Right Wing Watch](https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/kentucky-clerk-says-he-may-die-fighting-gay-marriage/)** > > A small group of county clerks in Kentucky have said that they will defy the Supreme Court’s decision on marriage equality and refuse to issue marriage ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/376 "2015-09-02T17:34:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > But you anguish over it, for reasons best known to yourself, if to anyone at all. Oh, so you really can’t read. Got it. As I’ve said, consistently, ya dummy, she SHOULD resign. If she refuses, she should be removed. She is not acknowledging what the current law is. She needs to go, one way or the other. Why don’t you run down to to a middle school and have one of the students explain what my words mean. I think we’d both be better off. I keep forgetting how incredibly dumbfuck you are. Pretty impressive, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/377 "2015-09-02T17:36:10Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Another clerk says he’ll die to defend traditional marriage–and…what? Become a martyr? Or just another dead person? > > [Kentucky Clerk Says He May Die Fighting Gay Marriage | People For](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/kentucky-clerk-says-he-may-die-fighting-gay-marriage) Darwin award nominee? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/378 "2015-09-02T17:37:12Z")
Are you noticing marriage being “diluted” yet? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/379 "2015-09-02T17:40:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Are you noticing marriage being “diluted” yet? :rolleyes: Yep, you can’t read. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/380 "2015-09-02T17:48:51Z")
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